Fire Berry Please!

[tnt]

2 hours ago, siouxkid12 said:

UND isn’t buying him out. He will more than likely coach out his last contract and not be renewed.

But then when they win the league or have a comeback season as they have done the last few cycles, it is hard to not renew, and the players might be more apt to leave when you aren’t renewing a coach under those circumstances.  Also pretty hard to recruit with a lame duck coach when players don’t know who they are committing to.  Also, you have more time to re-recruit the guys Berry already has committed like McKamey and Simpson.  More time to find replacements if they bolt because of the change.  

[gfhockey]

25 minutes ago, tnt said:

But then when they win the league or have a comeback season as they have done the last few cycles, it is hard to not renew, and the players might be more apt to leave when you aren’t renewing a coach under those circumstances.  Also pretty hard to recruit with a lame duck coach when players don’t know who they are committing to.  Also, you have more time to re-recruit the guys Berry already has committed like McKamey and Simpson.  More time to find replacements if they bolt because of the change.  

Chavez plan

[Blackheart]

4 hours ago, Irish said:

What really grinds my gears about this staff is that it is now February and we have made zero progress correcting the stupid mistakes we made at the beginning of the season - none.   We still have no-look passes that burn us and horrible passing in general, still have bad turnovers in our zone, still take stupid penalties at the worst times, can't get our shots on goal, and for some reason can't play a full 40 minutes to save our souls.  And going into a prevent mentality with a lead burns us game after game.  Time for a whole new staff.  

Nominating for post of the day.  Literally laughed out loud when I read it.

[siouxkid12]

4 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

That's one sure way to end up like Miami.

Never underestimate the power and influence of a small group of thermonuclear p!$$ed hockey donors and boosters.

That’s going to be the only way to buy him out and I don’t see our biggest donor doing that. 

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, siouxkid12 said:

That’s going to be the only way to buy him out and I don’t see our biggest donor doing that. 

That's another thing, we have to stop assuming there are no other potential donors out there. We need to broaden the donor base with all the challenges facing college athletics today.

[siouxweet]

Maybe, just Maybe Berry takes Blais' advice and 10 years at one place is long enough. 

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, siouxweet said:

Maybe, just Maybe Berry takes Blais' advice and 10 years at one place is long enough. 

At the very least, no freaking extension for Berry.

[Big A HG]

16 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

That's another thing, we have to stop assuming there are no other potential donors out there. We need to broaden the donor base with all the challenges facing college athletics today.

 

I've been gone from UND for over 15 years and have never once been solicited for a donation, nor has my wife.  Our phone numbers haven't changed.  Makes ya wonder....

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, Big A HG said:

I've been gone from UND for over 15 years and have never once been solicited for a donation, nor has my wife.  Our phone numbers haven't changed.  Makes ya wonder....

UND is notorious for not reaching out to current and potential donors.

[siouxkid12]

17 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

UND is notorious for not reaching out to current and potential donors.

Which makes my statement even more believable. They couldn’t/wouldn’t even “buy-out” bubba, what makes you think they would for Berry?

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, siouxkid12 said:

Which makes my statement even more believable. They couldn’t/wouldn’t even “buy-out” bubba, what makes you think they would for Berry?

Well, they did buyout Bubba, they made up a job for him. Maybe Berry could serve as an alumni liason officer for the program?

We cannot allow this program to sink into the same hole we were in from 1991 to 1994.

[Hawkster]

54 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

At the very least, no freaking extension for Berry.

With football I've always heard that it was fatal to have a lame duck coach when it came to recruiting.   Wouldn't hockey be the same way?   Wasn't that Chaves excuse for always giving Bubba an undeserved extension?

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, Hawkster said:

With football I've always heard that it was fatal to have a lame duck coach when it came to recruiting.   Wouldn't hockey be the same way?   Wasn't that Chaves excuse for always giving Bubba an undeserved extension?

If you follow that formula, everyone will have a de facto lifetime contract. We cannot continue doing that.

[Hawkster]

4 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

If you follow that formula, everyone will have a de facto lifetime contract. We cannot continue doing that.

I'm thinking it's better to buyout Berry now and get it over with.   Rip off the bandaid.  At least recruits will know who they are dealing with

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, Hawkster said:

I'm thinking it's better to buyout Berry now and get it over with.   Rip off the bandaid.

Same here.

[Big A HG]

I don't recall losing any recruits or players when Hak left and Berry came in.  

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, Big A HG said:

I don't recall losing any recruits or players when Hak left and Berry came in.  

The new coach would have to do what Schmidt did when he took over FB. Reach out to them and tell them his vision for program.

[nodak651]

18 minutes ago, Hawkster said:

With football I've always heard that it was fatal to have a lame duck coach when it came to recruiting.   Wouldn't hockey be the same way?   Wasn't that Chaves excuse for always giving Bubba an undeserved extension?

That same year, Montana played in the championship while their coach was in the last year of his contract.

[siouxforce19]

11 minutes ago, Big A HG said:

I don't recall losing any recruits or players when Hak left and Berry came in.  

Well back then, I’d say it helped that we immediately named Berry coach and him and Jackson immediately started calling recruits/incoming players.  Those two already had relationships with these players so it’s not like they had to start from scratch. 

But if there’s a longer waiting period to name a new head coach should Berry not return we could be in trouble if recruits are loyal to Berry instead of the school. 

[siouxkid12]

10 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I wonder what nonsense that crazy Facebook group is spewing after last night?

I saw one post that said “how about that all you fire Berry naysayers”. I mean for Christ sake, you barely beat CC after not beating them for 5 straight games and you still aren’t anywhere near being better than the day before.

[tnt]

28 minutes ago, Big A HG said:

I don't recall losing any recruits or players when Hak left and Berry came in.  

But we were actually an elite program then, making the frozen four all the time.  Plenty of teams to change your mind that are contenders almost every year.  UND is not the elite program it once was, thanks to a run of mediocrity.

[fightingsioux4life]

10 minutes ago, tnt said:

But we were actually an elite program then, making the frozen four all the time.  Plenty of teams to change your mind that are contenders almost every year.  UND is not the elite program it once was, thanks to a run of mediocrity.

If a coaching change results in temporary recruiting setbacks, it will be worth it if the program is healthier in the long run.

[siouxweet]

40 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

The new coach would have to do what Schmidt did when he took over FB. Reach out to them and tell them his vision for program.

And hit the portal?

[fightingsioux4life]

2 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

And hit the portal?

The portal is fine to fill the occasional hole. But I would hope the new coach would take a long term view of program building and focus on recruiting and retention.

[cberkas]

Puts on tinfoil hat:

 Berry will be told he's done at the end of the season