iramurphy Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 19 hours ago, burd said: Yeah, I can't imagine Harkness would seriously consider UND once he got the Cornell roll started (Dryden). No one has matched his amazing run there, much less won multiple Natties in two separate sports, one of which UND does not have. Harkness had given Miller a “conditional “ yes to the offer. He wanted to review offer and he was not happy when he learned UND had hired Gino. Harkness was Miller’s choice after Armstrong. The story was that UND faculty and ultimately Clifford had an issue with so many of Harness’s players enrolled in school but not attending classes nor passing courses or earning credits. Back then, the NCAA rules required that athletes only needed to be enrolled to be eligible. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 1 minute ago, iramurphy said: Harkness had given Miller a “conditional “ yes to the offer. He wanted to review offer and he was not happy when he learned UND had hired Gino. Harkness was Miller’s choice after Armstrong. The story was that UND faculty and ultimately Clifford had an issue with so many of Harness’s players enrolled in school but not attending classes nor passing courses or earning credits. Back then, the NCAA rules required that athletes only needed to be enrolled to be eligible. Wow, that is insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burd Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 7 hours ago, iramurphy said: Harkness had given Miller a “conditional “ yes to the offer. He wanted to review offer and he was not happy when he learned UND had hired Gino. Harkness was Miller’s choice after Armstrong. The story was that UND faculty and ultimately Clifford had an issue with so many of Harness’s players enrolled in school but not attending classes nor passing courses or earning credits. Back then, the NCAA rules required that athletes only needed to be enrolled to be eligible. very interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 On 10/13/2024 at 1:09 AM, brianvf said: Sweetness! Either way, a new season is upon us. I'll remain optimistic that the team can hopefully piece it together at the end. A nice start to the year against a team that will be good this season in HEA. That'll help come PWR time. Now hopefully get a couple wins in Mankato next weekend... Complacency kills. We can always be optimistic, but the sample size isn't small anymore. Berry just didn't win the title 2-3 years ago, it will be 9 years ago by the time the next tourney rolls around. There's been plenty of leash and Berry should have reached the end. Instead we watch our rivals win titles while we flounder in the first round over and over...if we even make the tourney. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianvf Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 2 hours ago, Big A HG said: We can always be optimistic... I don't know if you have it in you, to be honest. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark17 Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 On 10/14/2024 at 8:29 PM, petey23 said: Providence came out ready to play but I don't think it is fair to say we weren't. We struggled at beginning of game with our breakout and their forecheck and then dropping into a trap in the neutral zone. I was happy to see us make adjustments on the fly rather than waiting until the period ended. The timing coincided with the late shot and skirmish but we had started making the changes a couple shifts earlier. We put a little trust in our defenseman and instead of trying to break out in a 5 man unit we had a couple forwards spread them out by drifting out of the zone between center ice and the far blueline. Emery made a couple beautiful tape to tape passes from the endline to the far blueline which caused them to back off on their forecheck a bit and allowed us to hit the 3rd forward skating horizontally and we were able to bypass the neutral zone mess they had been creating and started being able to enter their zone with speed. Less skilled teams are gonna trap nothing we don't know. Boys did a nice job breaking trap like you said, especially in the second. They got a forecheck established and it was all over from there. I like it when they grind other teams down which I don't think happened enough last year. Haks teams seemed to do that more than in recent years. It looks like this team can do both - play north south, stretch out neutral zone while also establishing zone time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 21 hours ago, brianvf said: I don't know if you have it in you, to be honest. I said "we can be", but I won't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.357 Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 2 hours ago, Big A HG said: I said "we can be", but I won't be. When you think about it, Berry could very easily win one or two NCs in the next 5 years, with people remembering him as one of the better UND hockey coaches in program history. Sentiments can change that quickly. During the off-season, it sounds like he put a lot of thought into how he could manage the team differently. He may not be as inherently talented or wizard-like as Carle, but you can tell he really wants to win & is trying different approaches to gain different results. I'm optimistic in that sense. But at the same time, I'm also pragmatic: If his teams continue to flounder in the tournament in the next few years, serious consideration should be given to finding a replacement. There can only be so much playoff failure at a high-profile program like UND before one needs to pull the plug & look elsewhere. In the end, programs are respected & remembered through the lens of how many NCs they have; not with how many conference championships are hanging in their rafters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 20 hours ago, .357 said: When you think about it, Berry could very easily win one or two NCs in the next 5 years, with people remembering him as one of the better UND hockey coaches in program history. Sentiments can change that quickly. During the off-season, it sounds like he put a lot of thought into how he could manage the team differently. He may not be as inherently talented or wizard-like as Carle, but you can tell he really wants to win & is trying different approaches to gain different results. I'm optimistic in that sense. But at the same time, I'm also pragmatic: If his teams continue to flounder in the tournament in the next few years, serious consideration should be given to finding a replacement. There can only be so much playoff failure at a high-profile program like UND before one needs to pull the plug & look elsewhere. In the end, programs are respected & remembered through the lens of how many NCs they have; not with how many conference championships are hanging in their rafters. "he really wants to win" ....holy smokes, is that the standard for our head coaches? Dang, I didn't know there were coaches that didn't really want to win. He's had chance after chance after chance to prove that he can run the program by himself and do something more than he has. He certainly could win multiple championships in the next five years, but so could anyone. What has he actually done? I give him credit, he took Hak's team and won the big one, but the problem is he hasn't done anything since in the post-season except beat AIC. People aren't calling for change two years after the title, it'll be NINE years since the title when the next tournament starts. How many more chances should he get? Ed Orgeron won a title at LSU in 2019 and two years later was gone. I'm not saying that should be our standard either, but when coaches fail to succeed as much as Brad has, even if they have a championship, teams move on if they want change. Asking Brad to change at age 59 in his tenth year after all the failed years is asking a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodbuster Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 When Brad is done, whether he quits or is eased out, and whenever that is, should UND continue to hire alums or go for new blood without ties to UND? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burd Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 2 hours ago, Sodbuster said: When Brad is done, whether he quits or is eased out, and whenever that is, should UND continue to hire alums or go for new blood without ties to UND? HIre the best talent at both coaching and recruiting. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxFan100 Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 Having ties to UND shouldn’t exclude a candidate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 9 hours ago, Sodbuster said: When Brad is done, whether he quits or is eased out, and whenever that is, should UND continue to hire alums or go for new blood without ties to UND? See Burd’s response. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 Haha it’s the 4th period of the year…jeez. We’re 1-0. That was a brutal period though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 51 minutes ago, scpa0305 said: Haha it’s the 4th period of the year…jeez. We’re 1-0. That was a brutal period though We are Charmin soft right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 On 10/18/2024 at 9:11 AM, Sodbuster said: When Brad is done, whether he quits or is eased out, and whenever that is, should UND continue to hire alums or go for new blood without ties to UND? Time to diversify the gene pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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