Johnny Five Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Could be. I'll believe it when I see it. I haven't seen anyone crying for it online or anywhere. I think Minnesota has it down to perfection at the moment. 1 Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted March 11 Posted March 11 On 3/11/2025 at 7:44 PM, Johnny Five said: Well that's a great question. It wasn't us kids getting our asses handed to us by Roseau and Warroad I know that from experience. Expand also assumed it was the suburban metro moms and dads that thought that playing floodwood mn was a waste of time and wanted to play wayzata or edina every weekend Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted March 11 Posted March 11 On 3/11/2025 at 8:15 PM, Johnny Five said: Could be. I'll believe it when I see it. I haven't seen anyone crying for it online or anywhere. I think Minnesota has it down to perfection at the moment. Expand other than the 2 levels it's pretty good....could be better if they took my recomendation...(16 sections and 4 "super regionals" and a minnesota final four at the x. Quote
Johnny Five Posted March 11 Posted March 11 That format is awesome. Still hard to fathom the likes of Roseau winning the whole dang thing a couple times. 2 Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted March 11 Posted March 11 On 3/11/2025 at 8:25 PM, SIOUXFAN97 said: other than the 2 levels it's pretty good....could be better if they took my recomendation...(16 sections and 4 "super regionals" and a minnesota final four at the x. Expand Not a bad idea at àll. Unfortunately, it makes too much sense to ever happen. 😝 1 Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted March 11 Posted March 11 On 3/11/2025 at 9:33 PM, Johnny Five said: That format is awesome. Still hard to fathom the likes of Roseau winning the whole dang thing a couple times. Expand pretty much knew nothing about minny hs hockey when i got to the lake last week....pretty much watched every game from thrusday eve on.......kept asking my brother...where's roseau and or warroad....then he explained a few things and i was kinda shocked. multiple divisions...games at noon on wed and thursday....a title game at noon....tourney is nice but from the outside looking in it could and should be better....as i've shown above! 1 Quote
ChadR Posted March 11 Posted March 11 What’s the story with Mason West of Edina hitting the biker with his car? I can’t find an actual article with facts. Quote
gfhockey Posted March 11 Posted March 11 On 3/11/2025 at 11:29 PM, ChadR said: What’s the story with Mason West of Edina hitting the biker with his car? I can’t find an actual article with facts. Expand Illegal u turn. Pays to have good lawyers Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted March 11 Posted March 11 On 3/11/2025 at 11:47 PM, gfhockey said: Illegal u turn. Pays to have good lawyers Expand someone really hurt/dead? Quote
cberkas Posted March 12 Posted March 12 On 3/11/2025 at 6:22 PM, Oxbow6 said: If you have to water down ND HS hockey to 2 classes just so RR and GFC can still play each other 4 times as usual with the last meeting for the AA championship what are you accomplishing?? Expand I could see Minot saying they are going to be in class A. The Bismarck schools probably saying class A would be better for them or at least one of the three will be in class A and the other two in class AA. Class A would be the West with a couple of the smaller East schools and class AA being Grand Forks and Fargo with maybe Bismark and Minot. I could even see that if two classes happened that one of the Grand Forks schools going class A and a school in Fargo doing the same. Quote
gfhockey Posted March 12 Posted March 12 On 3/11/2025 at 11:49 PM, SIOUXFAN97 said: someone really hurt/dead? Expand yea Quote
Popular Post yzerman19 Posted March 12 Popular Post Posted March 12 On 3/11/2025 at 9:44 PM, SIOUXFAN97 said: pretty much knew nothing about minny hs hockey when i got to the lake last week....pretty much watched every game from thrusday eve on.......kept asking my brother...where's roseau and or warroad....then he explained a few things and i was kinda shocked. multiple divisions...games at noon on wed and thursday....a title game at noon....tourney is nice but from the outside looking in it could and should be better....as i've shown above! Expand You do understand that teams that lost in sections from the power conferences in the cities would mop the floor with teams in class A right? Games would not be competitive if you made 1 division. EGF taking the title overall? No way. The sad reality is the sheer numbers plus the resources in metro area hockey centric communities make it so its very difficult for a smaller school to compete. The large metro high schools have more students than many towns have total population. The current format of the MN state tourney has been so since the late 90's after the tier experiment, and is working. I wouldn't change a thing. 5 Quote
I Ranger Posted March 12 Posted March 12 On 3/12/2025 at 1:25 PM, yzerman19 said: You do understand that teams that lost in sections from the power conferences in the cities would mop the floor with teams in class A right? Games would not be competitive if you made 1 division. EGF taking the title overall? No way. The sad reality is the sheer numbers plus the resources in metro area hockey centric communities make it so its very difficult for a smaller school to compete. The large metro high schools have more students than many towns have total population. The current format of the MN state tourney has been so since the late 90's after the tier experiment, and is working. I wouldn't change a thing. Expand 1994 was the first year of the two class system after 2 years of the Tier 1 and Tier 2 system. Nothing should change as the attendance numbers show year after year. Minnesota is already trying to add random cities teams to sections 7 and 8 so if changes are made I can almost guarantee the true Northern teams would have a much more difficult time making it out of sections (i.e. Andover taking over section 7). Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 On 3/12/2025 at 1:25 PM, yzerman19 said: You do understand that teams that lost in sections from the power conferences in the cities would mop the floor with teams in class A right? Games would not be competitive if you made 1 division. EGF taking the title overall? No way. The sad reality is the sheer numbers plus the resources in metro area hockey centric communities make it so its very difficult for a smaller school to compete. The large metro high schools have more students than many towns have total population. The current format of the MN state tourney has been so since the late 90's after the tier experiment, and is working. I wouldn't change a thing. Expand i guess here's the question ... would you rather go back to one class or whats coming....3....or 4 classes? Quote
yzerman19 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 i dont believe they are going to create 3 or 4 classes in Minnesota. 2 Quote
ILOVEHOCKEY15 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 On 3/12/2025 at 2:57 PM, yzerman19 said: i dont believe they are going to create 3 or 4 classes in Minnesota. Expand I think what they have currently is perfect. Quote
yzerman19 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 There becomes a pure numbers game...if 10% of your boys are really good athletes, and 30% of them are hockey first, you have 3% of the boys that can play the game (just at high school level, numbers get smaller if you are saying truly excellent athletes). In a high school with 1000 boys in it, you then have 30 kids...boom, you've got a solid team with a handful of tough cuts and a pipeline for next year. If your high school has 200 boys in it, now you have 6. The depth issue kills the small schools. How do they field a team then? Well, boys who aren't true athletes or a culture where significantly more are hockey first. Occasionally, you get a super athlete that can tip the scales to favor you enough to overcome the numbers game (think Langenbrunner at Cloquet in 93). But that is the harsh reality of the numbers game. Moorhead High School has 2000 kids grade 9-12, Roseau 527 grade 7-12, Warroad 567 grade 6-12, EGF 588 grades 9-12... Was interesting to me to see that the combined enrollment of GFRR and GFC is just barely bigger than Moorhead HS Quote
Siouxperman8 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 On 3/12/2025 at 3:37 PM, yzerman19 said: There becomes a pure numbers game...if 10% of your boys are really good athletes, and 30% of them are hockey first, you have 3% of the boys that can play the game (just at high school level, numbers get smaller if you are saying truly excellent athletes). In a high school with 1000 boys in it, you then have 30 kids...boom, you've got a solid team with a handful of tough cuts and a pipeline for next year. If your high school has 200 boys in it, now you have 6. The depth issue kills the small schools. How do they field a team then? Well, boys who aren't true athletes or a culture where significantly more are hockey first. Occasionally, you get a super athlete that can tip the scales to favor you enough to overcome the numbers game (think Langenbrunner at Cloquet in 93). But that is the harsh reality of the numbers game. Moorhead High School has 2000 kids grade 9-12, Roseau 527 grade 7-12, Warroad 567 grade 6-12, EGF 588 grades 9-12... Expand The big metro schools have about 1000 students/grade so about 2000 boys 9-12. Plus lots of transfers for sports. Very hard to overcome for smaller schools. Quote
yzerman19 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 I don't like Jess' logic there...it presupposes the objective is purely to get to State as opposed to playing commensurate competition to go to State. Roseau's pride is enormous (rightfully so) in hockey, so its a very bitter pill to swallow playing class A. Quote
yzerman19 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 It pained me to see Cloquet forced to turn class A based on reality. The northern, blue collar, company towns built on Potlach paper mills, Polaris, Arctic Cat, Marvin Windows, LTV mining... are the heart and soul of hockey in the State. Don't want to punch a clock on the line? Hockey is your path son, if it gets you a college degree, you can come back and be one of the engineers with one of the brick houses near the lake... 3 Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 On 3/12/2025 at 2:57 PM, yzerman19 said: i dont believe they are going to create 3 or 4 classes in Minnesota. Expand didn't answer the question tho..........over time you know there will be pressure to make a 3rd class bc "it's not fair".....so would you rather have 1 or 3 classes in the future? Quote
Siouxperman8 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 On 3/12/2025 at 4:05 PM, SIOUXFAN97 said: didn't answer the question tho..........over time you know there will be pressure to make a 3rd class bc "it's not fair".....so would you rather have 1 or 3 classes in the future? Expand I don’t see schools voting to have one big tourney with regional sites til final 4. Today 16 teams make to the Xcel Center in St Paul which is a big deal for them and their communities. Playing in Moorhead, Duluth or wherever and only 4 making it to St. Paul isn’t all that attractive. Quote
yzerman19 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 On 3/12/2025 at 4:05 PM, SIOUXFAN97 said: didn't answer the question tho..........over time you know there will be pressure to make a 3rd class bc "it's not fair".....so would you rather have 1 or 3 classes in the future? Expand I dont think so, its called recreational hockey at that point. Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 On 3/12/2025 at 4:15 PM, Siouxperman8 said: I don’t see schools voting to have one big tourney with regional sites til final 4. Today 16 teams make to the Xcel Center in St Paul which is a big deal for them and their communities. Playing in Moorhead, Duluth or wherever and only 4 making it to St. Paul isn’t all that attractive. Expand true...but it might be good for those cake eaters to travel to Brrmidji and see that there is more to Minnesota than the Metro area. but how attractive is it for two teams to play a game on wed at noon in front of ___________ fans versus a packed amsoil arena on a thurs/friday/sat evenening? Quote
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