2024 Early Departures and Transfer Portal

[Walsh Hall]

14 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Some also refuse to believe Michigan's first three goals in the tournament were also insane bounces.

The first 3 were definitely greasy goals, but that’s the way it goes in the one and done NCAA tournament.

Denver was out chanced, out shot, and arguable out played in both games and won (2) one goal games due to no bad breaks and a goalie with a 97.2 save percentage.

But we clearly are outclassed and miles behind DU…

 

 

 

[tnt]

1 hour ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Completely forgot about Daimon Gardner, wouldn't be surprised to see him pick a local CCHA school or Duluth.

Yeah, may reunite with Shaugabay at Duluth.

[tnt]

49 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said:

The first 3 were definitely greasy goals, but that’s the way it goes in the one and done NCAA tournament.

Denver was out chanced, out shot, and arguable out played in both games and won (2) one goal games due to no bad breaks and a goalie with a 97.2 save percentage.

But we clearly are outclassed and miles behind DU…

 

 

 

Could also be that UND doesn’t get those greasy goals because they are trying for the perfect shot, and many times don’t even get shots to the net.  UND used to live off of those type goals, but now they don’t get to the net enough, which is the reason they don’t take as many penalties.

[Benny Baker]

3 hours ago, Goon said:

I am going to drop this here. There's a message here. This kind of applies to our program, too. 

It sucks that UND lost, but it's not the end of the world. Next year's team is going to be very good and will again be in the mix.

Someone asked me if this year's team might have overachieved or exceeded expectations. It might be possible. 

 

 

https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39886931/top-2024-recruit-sarah-strong-commits-uconn
 

Is it an apples comparison?  The narrative is that UND is both losing on the ice and in recruiting.  Not like UND has Cole Eiserman or 2 of the top 4 recruits coming in next season like UCONN women’s basketball. 

[jk]

I think you're underselling UND's recruiting.  This will be the third outstanding class in a row, with this year in the top handful in the country.

[Irish]

3 minutes ago, jk said:

I think you're underselling UND's recruiting.  This will be the third outstanding class in a row, with this year in the top handful in the country.

Yes - some talent coming in - but why did we have to replace our entire defense this year and why are we on our 4th portal goalie?  Our recruiting is inconsistent.  

[tnt]

20 minutes ago, jk said:

I think you're underselling UND's recruiting.  This will be the third outstanding class in a row, with this year in the top handful in the country.

Which is why it is baffling that we can be taken to the woodshed by Omaha, a team that has been raided the last few years, and we even took one of their best players.  Having never been swept by them, to losing 4 of 5 under those circumstances suggests one team is outworking the other.  It isn’t just the NCAA tournament, but all the destination games and Frozen Faceoffs as well.  To have all those advantages and recruiting advantages to put up about 3 wins compared to about 14 losses doesn’t equate.  

[siouxweet]

1 hour ago, tnt said:

Could also be that UND doesn’t get those greasy goals because they are trying for the perfect shot, and many times don’t even get shots to the net.  UND used to live off of those type goals, but now they don’t get to the net enough, which is the reason they don’t take as many penalties.

100% agree.  With the supposedly higher skilled players this is how they play now days.  Always looking to be the hero yet fail 99.9% of the time.  Feeds into the narrative of the name on the back of the jersey is more important. 

[brianvf]

This would be crazy if true.  What is happening in WI??
 

 

[tnt]

8 minutes ago, brianvf said:

This would be crazy if true.  What is happening in WI??
 

 

   Hastings isn’t everybody’s cup of tea.  He isn’t going to put up with lack of effort and not playing both ends of the ice.  I have a feeling, he is fine with some leaving so he can get everyone to buy into his system.  
 Not quite sure it will be easy to completely change his recruiting philosophy from Minnesota State, and might be difficult to get younger high end guys to buy into his defensive system.  Wonder if Logan Hensler would reconsider his commitment with all the turnover, but he might have already signed.

[Goon]

18 minutes ago, tnt said:

   Hastings isn’t everybody’s cup of tea.  He isn’t going to put up with lack of effort and not playing both ends of the ice.  I have a feeling, he is fine with some leaving so he can get everyone to buy into his system.  
 Not quite sure it will be easy to completely change his recruiting philosophy from Minnesota State, and might be difficult to get younger high-end guys to buy into his defensive system.  Wonder if Logan Hensler would reconsider his commitment with all the turnover, but he might have already signed.

Here's an idea, maybe it's the players and not the coaches. These young players don't get to dictate in the big time, wether it be in college or in the NHL. I have no problem with Hastings saying this is the type of player I want on my team. Nobody is bigger than team. 

 

 

 

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

13 minutes ago, Goon said:

Here's an idea, maybe it's the players and not the coaches. These young players don't get to dictate in the big time, wether it be in college or in the NHL. I have no problem with Hastings saying this is the type of player I want on my team. Nobody is bigger than team. 

 

 

 

 

his hairline keeps going back but his toupee stays the same

[fightingsioux4life]

31 minutes ago, Goon said:

Here's an idea, maybe it's the players and not the coaches. These young players don't get to dictate in the big time, wether it be in college or in the NHL. I have no problem with Hastings saying this is the type of player I want on my team. Nobody is bigger than team. 

I agree with you except for the NHL part. I imagine a lot of coaches have lost their jobs because a few millionaire players complained loudly enough.

[Benny Baker]

3 hours ago, jk said:

There are facts, and you can call them excuses if you want.  Before that, though, it's a fact that they've lost almost all their NCAA games since 2016.  Ultimately the final score dictates who moves on.  But they have had the worst run of experiences in the tourney lately, kind of the opposite of the incredible fortune Duluth had in their run.

They didn't allow a shot on goal in the entire fourth period against BU.  Does that count as controlling?  And the disallowed goal.  Ugh.  And Duluth taking Poolman out the game before.

Covid wipes out the postseason of a great team.  

UND did not dominate against Duluth, in fact they looked like a team playing the second leg of a back to back against a rested team.  How does that happen?  Sanderson (I think) has a shot go post-goalline-post and out.  You knew then it was cursed.

UND did not dominate Notre Dame.  That was not a great UND team, nor a very good ND team.  It was evenly played, and kinda boring.  We'll never know, but I suspect having the country's best player play 30 minutes that game may have changed the outcome.

UND did not dominate MI, who is also very good.  But UND did carry the play for maybe 35-40 minutes.  It's not like they didn't show up.  Pointing to Pyke is an excuse if you want to call it that, but he was probably the team's best all-around defenseman and it is an unquestionable fact that he got injured in the game before the tournament and didn't play.

Do those five outcomes, with their odd circumstances, define the program?

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not calling them excuses, but I think UND found fortune and still lost some of those games. 

They were down by 2 to BU with 7 minutes left. If they don’t tie in the final minutes, it doesn’t even get to OT, and no one gets to talk about a 4th period or an “offsides” that wasn’t.

They were down by 2 to Duluth with 2 minutes left. If they don’t tie in the final minutes, it doesn’t even get to OT, and the “5OT against a rested team” narrative doesn’t occur. 

They originally lost to Notre Dame 2-1 in regulation because no one backchecked to pick up the man in front at the end of the game.  If video replay doesn’t show the puck go in a few milliseconds after the final horn, UND doesn’t even get the second chance to lose in overtime.

Like the recent Michigan loss, all of those games could have easily been regulation losses for UND, if not for some fortune on their end.

[Benny Baker]

16 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I agree with you except for the NHL part. I imagine a lot of coaches have lost their jobs because a few millionaire players complained loudly enough.

Agreed, that’s a fair point, but I think the distinction is that where college coaches yield most of the power over the hockey team, the GM and front office have much more control in NHL. So I’d agree some star players could wield more power than some NHL head coaches, but management and ownership will always run the day.

[fightingsioux4life]

18 hours ago, planetearth said:

 

Sorry, but that's not coming back. And posting that does not refute any of my points.

[fightingsioux4life]

4 hours ago, Walsh Hall said:

The first 3 were definitely greasy goals, but that’s the way it goes in the one and done NCAA tournament.

Denver was out chanced, out shot, and arguable out played in both games and won (2) one goal games due to no bad breaks and a goalie with a 97.2 save percentage.

But we clearly are outclassed and miles behind DU…

Blah, blah, blah. 

[fightingsioux4life]

2 hours ago, tnt said:

Which is why it is baffling that we can be taken to the woodshed by Omaha, a team that has been raided the last few years, and we even took one of their best players.  Having never been swept by them, to losing 4 of 5 under those circumstances suggests one team is outworking the other.  It isn’t just the NCAA tournament, but all the destination games and Frozen Faceoffs as well.  To have all those advantages and recruiting advantages to put up about 3 wins compared to about 14 losses doesn’t equate.  

Nope, it's all luck and the single elimination format. (sarcasm) 

[ChetSteadman]

3 hours ago, jk said:

I think you're underselling UND's recruiting.  This will be the third outstanding class in a row, with this year in the top handful in the country.

How come we’ve been so active in the portal then?  

[The Sicatoka]

1 minute ago, ChetSteadman said:

How come we’ve been so active in the portal then?  

Filling early departures?

[ChetSteadman]

1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said:

Filling early departures?

Lol, 4 goalies and a whole defense.  Cmon man

[jk]

6 minutes ago, ChetSteadman said:

How come we’ve been so active in the portal then?  

Different answers for different positions.  At F, we haven't been.  There were two portal forwards on the team this year, and none the year before.

On D, they appear to have just missed on some guys, some who never made it to campus and some who did then left.  That was a series of recruiting mistakes, but those were decisions made three to five years ago.  I'd say the guys who came last year and those lined up look good, and that's what I mean by recruiting is looking up.  Plus I think you have to give them credit for aggressively fixing what was a huge issue.  It wasn't pretty to do it, but they did.

You've got me on the goalie position.  No idea why they had the gap between Scheel and Hobie.  Especially frustrating since that's Karl's deal.  

I still really like the three classes:  the Blake group up front, then the D group plus Perron and HH, and now a couple high impact F and more solid D.  

I'd also argue that you should use the portal if you can. 

 

[Benny Baker]

Cameron Rowe was a goalie commit at one time, FWIW.

[tnt]

1 hour ago, Benny Baker said:

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not calling them excuses, but I think UND found fortune and still lost some of those games. 

They were down by 2 to BU with 7 minutes left. If they don’t tie in the final minutes, it doesn’t even get to OT, and no one gets to talk about a 4th period or an “offsides” that wasn’t.

They were down by 2 to Duluth with 2 minutes left. If they don’t tie in the final minutes, it doesn’t even get to OT, and the “5OT against a rested team” narrative doesn’t occur. 

They originally lost to Notre Dame 2-1 in regulation because no one backchecked to pick up the man in front at the end of the game.  If video replay doesn’t show the puck go in a few milliseconds after the final horn, UND doesn’t even get the second chance to lose in overtime.

Like the recent Michigan loss, all of those games could have easily been regulation losses for UND, if not for some fortune on their end.

   Don’t forget, that once they experienced the absolute pain of losing a game like the Duluth game to a rival, they had a reprieve like BU did against us with an offsides call.  
   I remember thinking to myself that this was the positive karma going our way from the BU loss.  Not many teams get that second chance after your season has ended. We basically also got that second chance again against Notre Dame.  The thing is, good teams take advantage of unbelievable luck like that, and don’t let it happen again.   
   For those suggesting we are only losing because we don’t get the luck, at some point when you get the luck you have to take advantage of it.

[Benny Baker]

8 minutes ago, tnt said:

   Don’t forget, that once they experienced the absolute pain of losing a game like the Duluth game to a rival, they had a reprieve like BU did against us with an offsides call.  
   I remember thinking to myself that this was the positive karma going our way from the BU loss.  Not many teams get that second chance after your season has ended. We basically also got that second chance again against Notre Dame.  The thing is, good teams take advantage of unbelievable luck like that, and don’t let it happen again.   
   For those suggesting we are only losing because we don’t get the luck, at some point when you get the luck you have to take advantage of it.

100% agree.  

I also remember having the same karma-related line of thinking, haha. When they scored 2 goals in the last 100 seconds to tie AND then Duluth’s first over time goal was waived off, I said the Hockey Gods were rewriting a wrong (BU game) and ensuring UND beat Duluth.  Once that goal was waived off, I was all but certain UND was going to the frozen four.

But alas, unlike BU who capitalized on the additional chance, UND didn’t.