UND @ Murray State

[UND-FB-FAN]

12 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Here are some unbiased rankings (Massey) to show how things have progressed the last 15 years:

2008       28
2009       40
2010       48
2011       36
2012       35
2013       68
2014       64
2015       32
2016       21
2017       43
2018       27
2019       21
2020       6*
2021       14
2022       14
2023       12

Looks nice. Too bad the results on the field don’t show it. Would be nice to actually win playoff games or big games on road. But, if the goal is to only ascend Massey rankings, then this is a solid demonstration. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 minute ago, UND1983 said:

From 360 game review 

The 4th and 24 pass interference penalty was a killer for the UND defense. It was 31-10 and a stop there forces a field goal or punt. Instead, the Racers scored on the next play. Not sure what the safeties were doing and why. They were at 10 yards and not backing up, almost coming forward to catch the receiver. It’s 4th and 24. I am sure they were playing the call from the staff but what reasoning has us playing that close on 4th and 24 to where the guy can put one move on you and blow by? Plus, the linebackers weren’t trailing the slot WR/TE either. UND only rushed three (one spy) but didn’t seem to have any brackets going on at all. So essentially we were playing a loose man coverage with no underneath help pushing the receiver up-field. Odd to say the least. Even if we give them 23 yards we get the ball back.

I completely agree that that snafu was a momentum killer and inexcusable overall from a coaching/schematics standpoint. Not impressed with defense, which includes players and coaches. 

[jdub27]

3 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Looks nice. Too bad the results on the field don’t show it. Would be nice to actually win playoff games or big games on road. But, if the goal is to only ascend Massey rankings, then this is a solid demonstration. 

You said they haven't made substantial progress. I presented evidence that shows the contrary. The program has and continues to progress in the right direction. Moving into the top 10/5 and into the quarters/semis/finals is the next step. 

I know its just a dumb computer algorithm and not an expert football mind, so dismiss it however you want. But just wanted to present some actual unbiased data to the conversation.

[UND1983]

Definitely made progress per the chart Jdub.  I think we just want to see single digits now   (like a 1)  

[HoopsFan03]

32 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

You said they haven't made substantial progress. I presented evidence that shows the contrary. The program has and continues to progress in the right direction. Moving into the top 10/5 and into the quarters/semis/finals is the next step. 

I know its just a dumb computer algorithm and not an expert football mind, so dismiss it however you want. But just wanted to present some actual unbiased data to the conversation.

How many playoff games have we won?

[GoodGood]

7 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

How many playoff games have we won?

I believe an asterisk covid season playoff win is it. 

Some people measure success based on computer charts, some measure it based on the results on the field. To each their own I guess 

[geaux_sioux]

3 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Here are some unbiased rankings (Massey) to show how things have progressed the last 15 years:

2008       28
2009       40
2010       48
2011       36
2012       35
2013       68
2014       64
2015       32
2016       21
2017       43
2018       27
2019       21
2020       6*
2021       14
2022       14
2023       12

Not a bad trend. Need to stay top 10 now. 

[HoopsFan03]

12 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Not a bad trend. Need to stay too 10 now. 

How many playoff games have we won?

[jdub27]

56 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

I believe an asterisk covid season playoff win is it. 

Some people measure success based on computer charts, some measure it based on the results on the field. To each their own I guess 

The discussion was program progression. Overall, the program is in a better spot and has continued to trend in the correct direction.
There are different levels of success.
No one has said we're at a spot where anyone is completely happy, 100% satisfied or thinks there isn't more work to do or we've constantly been at a level of success where we would all like to see.
But it wouldn't be the same beating of the dead horse if someone didn't pretend that was the case.

[GoodGood]

19 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

The discussion was program progression. Overall, the program is in a better spot and has continued to trend in the correct direction.
There are different levels of success.
No one has said we're at a spot where anyone is completely happy, 100% satisfied or thinks there isn't more work to do or we've constantly been at a level of success where we would all like to see.
But it wouldn't be the same beating of the dead horse if someone didn't pretend that was the case.

Doesn’t Massey still have ndsu at 3 or 4? I’d guess you don’t agree with that? Your computer stats argument was nice though! 

[jdub27]

41 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

Doesn’t Massey still have ndsu at 3 or 4? I’d guess you don’t agree with that? Your computer stats argument was nice though! 

Yes it does. It's an algorithm, calculates data points to comes up with a range of outcomes and then shows the most likely scenarios. It doesn't predict the future and tell you which data point within the set is going to hit every game. I'm sure I don't need to explain how statistics and probabilities work to a smart guy like you though.

Going into the week, it predicted that NDSU was going to lose to SDSU by around 11 points. Wasn't too far off. And as much as I hate to admit it, with the current data points, I think NDSU is closer to #4 in the nation than they are #12 or #15 or wherever they are. There's two weeks left that could definitely change as more data points are calculated into the equation. Regardless, I hope they miss the playoffs because the selection committee leaves them out at 7-4. However them going 6-5 and plummeting in every poll, human and computer, would be acceptable as well.

Massey also says that the top 9 teams are in the Big Sky or MVFC and Furman is #11 and not #2. I have a hard time disagreeing with that and if we play Thanksgiving weekend, would love to be fed in Furman instead of a seed from the Big Sky or MVFC.

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, HoopsFan03 said:

How many playoff games have we won?

Progress shown by objective rankings; then comes this response.

No wonder our PKs struggle ... the goal posts keep moving ...     

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, HoopsFan03 said:

How many playoff games have we won?

Not as many as Stevens has missed extra points.

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 hours ago, jdub27 said:

You said they haven't made substantial progress. I presented evidence that shows the contrary. The program has and continues to progress in the right direction. Moving into the top 10/5 and into the quarters/semis/finals is the next step. 

I know its just a dumb computer algorithm and not an expert football mind, so dismiss it however you want. But just wanted to present some actual unbiased data to the conversation.

FCS has changed a lot in the last 10-15 years......FCS is dead and getting deader every year.

[GoodGood]

3 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Not as many as Stevens has missed extra points.

Did you see Entz post game presser? Blamed the kicker saying he needs to be drilling 50 yarders in the wind. Reminded me of you! 

[HoopsFan03]

18 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Progress shown by objective rankings; then comes this response.

No wonder our PKs struggle ... the goal posts keep moving ...     

Nobody cares what some statistical database ranks you. It literally doesn't matter if it doesn't lead to wins when it counts. Like in the postseason....

That's such a losers mindset to have....Be happy that some database says we got better but it doesn't actually lead to better outcomes when it counts 

I'll keep waiting for that ever so elusive playoff win though!!

[The Sicatoka]

A team ranked Massey 68 ain't gettin' a playoff bid much less win. 

The level of the program is up; there's still work to be done. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

10 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

A team ranked Massey 68 ain't gettin' a playoff bid much less win. 

The level of the program is up; there's still work to be done. 

if their name rhymes with worthern whyowa they might bc ........quality losses.

[fightingsioux4life]

14 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

FCS has changed a lot in the last 10-15 years......FCS is dead and getting deader every year.

Once those new FBS regulations take effect in a few years, some of those "FBS in name only" schools will have to either drop FB or drop down to FCS. Ball State and Bowling Green may be in the same subdivision as Georgia and Alabama, but that is where the similarities end.

[fightingsioux4life]

11 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

if their name rhymes with worthern whyowa they might bc ........quality losses.

Yeah, UNI often has an automatic bid if they are 6-5 and have two quality losses to FBS teams. 

[90siouxfan]

Who is the D coordinator again?

[SIOUXFAN97]

6 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

Who is the D coordinator again?

bubba?

 

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Progress shown by objective rankings; then comes this response.

No wonder our PKs struggle ... the goal posts keep moving ...     

pretty sure 1-4 in playoff games over the past 10 seasons is an objective measure. But sure, winning in the postseason is a response that is nonsensical and fails to recognize the undisputed superiority of Massey rankings (that aren’t even polls) … I mean why even have playoffs? For example, the old polls system in college football sans playoffs to determine the national champion was always superior ….

[homer]

18 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

pretty sure 1-4 in playoff games over the past 10 seasons is an objective measure. But sure, winning in the postseason is a response that is nonsensical and fails to recognize the undisputed superiority of Massey rankings (that aren’t even polls) … I mean why even have playoffs? For example, the old polls system in college football sans playoffs to determine the national champion was always superior ….

Wins vs non scholly and D2 and lower are much more meaningful by your standards.  

[geaux_sioux]

3 hours ago, GoodGood said:

Did you see Entz post game presser? Blamed the kicker saying he needs to be drilling 50 yarders in the wind. Reminded me of you! 

How exactly?