The UND @ South Dakota State 9/30/2023

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

@gundy1124 and I have been beating this drum since 2017

There’s no question they need to be bigger, stronger, faster, better …

Look at the atrocity SDSU just performed, running up and down the field. See NDSU and Weber State last year. It’s been an issue for a while. 

At its core, a lot of recruiting issues, but also scheme and philosophy. This all falls back on Bubba. He’s failed. 

[SiouxFan100]

Do our defensive players have the frames to put on 15-30 pounds a piece?

[Sioux94]

27 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

I’m not completely off the Danny train yet. He has his moments where he’s a really good play caller and I think he has a lot of the attributes you would like in a young coach. He also has way too many head catching moments. I would like to see him call plays for a QB that can throw more than 5 yards down field before I’m completely off of him. 

Also hard when you can't run the ball either. Crazy how we were so effective on offense to start the first half last year. Then it's like SDSU figured it out ...and since then....we haven't been able to do anything.  I get SDSU has bigger and better athletes....but still it was very disappointing in offense once again yesterday. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

5 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:

I get SDSU has bigger and better athletes....but still it was very disappointing in offense once again yesterday. 

Think back to ~2018/2109, when the current teams were just getting formed via recruiting. how did Bubba and UND get boat-raced by Stieg and SDSU in recruiting and development? SDSU simply doing better is one thing, but this?? It’s just not acceptable now 5 years later. This is all on top of what NDSU has done to continuously embarrass UND head to head and in recruiting. Bubba needs to be held accountable. He’s failed. 
 

back in 2018/2019, after und went a pathetic 3-8 in 2017, everyone said just give Bubba another 5 years. Well here we are. Crushed. 

[Dustin]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

the current QB room is the coaching staff’s own doing

It seems like most (everyone??) here are pretty satisfied with the QB room. The only reason Tommy is here is because our former recruit bailed on us, so I actually don’t consider the Tommy situation a product of our “coaches own doing.”  We’ve been able to make the best of that situation, but it appears to be coming to an end. 

[Kab]

Coaches don’t have to have a Covid player come back do they?

Tommy coming back would be a hindrance to the QB room

is there another QB coming in next year?

[Oxbow6]

UND got slapped around in the trenches. Right now everything else is secondary. 

[Sioux94]

11 minutes ago, Kab said:

Coaches don’t have to have a Covid player come back do they?

Tommy coming back would be a hindrance to the QB room

is there another QB coming in next year?

No I don't think they do. Although if they tell Tommy he likely won't be the starter next year, and might even be 3rd string.....and he accepts that role it wouldn't be a hindrance to have that kind of experience if the top 2 go down. It is going to be interesting though to see how all of that shakes out.  Hope the coaches do what is best for ND football. 

[Sioux94]

Klein now with 2 nice one handed catches, he may need to start seeing the field more. Although I think he did get in a number of times yesterday.  Hopefully he can continue to stay healthy. 

[SiouxFan100]

It’s the coaches job to figure it out. Getting tired of same old same old

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, Dustin said:

It seems like most (everyone??) here are pretty satisfied with the QB room. The only reason Tommy is here is because our former recruit bailed on us, so I actually don’t consider the Tommy situation a product of our “coaches own doing.”  We’ve been able to make the best of that situation, but it appears to be coming to an end. 

The event you’re referencing is when Cedric Case flipped to Texas State in 2019. Need to hold on to those commitments (coaches can take action to prevent that), but also, it’s been 4 years (I repeat, 4 years!) since then. There’s been numerous opportunities to get better QBs. Transfer portal? It’s a product of the coaches own doing. The idea that the coaches - who are in complete control of their own actions (or lack thereof) - are independent of the roster is ridiculous.  
 

Made best of the situation? Going 5-6 (2021) and 7-4 (2022) is not good. Schuster’s play in big games has been average at best. There’s been a false narrative that he’s been elite, when in fact, he’s been a game manager that avoids mistakes. Sounds like UND just rode with Schuster due to the situation described in 2019, produced middle of the road football, and most just went with it, not demanding excellence, as per usual with UND football.    

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45 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

UND got slapped around in the trenches. Right now everything else is secondary. 

Nothing new. See, well, just last season (SDSU, Nebraska, NDSU, Weber State). 

[NDRA]

54 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

The event you’re referencing is when Cedric Case flipped to Texas State in 2019. Need to hold on to those commitments (coaches can take action to prevent that), but also, it’s been 4 years (I repeat, 4 years!) since then. There’s been numerous opportunities to get better QBs. Transfer portal? It’s a product of the coaches own doing. The idea that the coaches - who are in complete control of their own actions (or lack thereof) - are independent of the roster is ridiculous.  
 

Made best of the situation? Going 5-6 (2021) and 7-4 (2022) is not good. Schuster’s play in big games has been average at best. There’s been a false narrative that he’s been elite, when in fact, he’s been a game manager that avoids mistakes. Sounds like UND just rode with Schuster due to the situation described in 2019, produced middle of the road football, and most just went with it, not demanding excellence, as per usual with UND football.    

Don't think the Case flip was some big loss.  I believe he ended up transferring again to a D2 school in Missouri.

[UND-FB-FAN]

7 hours ago, NDRA said:

Don't think the Case flip was some big loss.  I believe he ended up transferring again to a D2 school in Missouri.

Exactly …

Coaching staff need to better develop and utilize the quarterback position. That falls on the OC/QB coach, who for UND is the same person. 

[gfhockey]

Yeah, but coaching Danny can coach any quarterback up look at touchdown Tommy

[UND-FB-FAN]

40 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Yeah, but coaching Danny can coach any quarterback up look at touchdown Tommy

Can’t complain too much there. Overall though, Tommy Schuster is a high floor, low ceiling player. Definitely not a next level player. 
Need to heighten that ceiling a bit. Maybe that higher ceiling player is already on the roster, time will tell, but how much longer should we wait? 1 season? 3 seasons? Another decade?

[SIOUXFAN97]

20 hours ago, GoodGood said:

I’m not completely off the Danny train yet. He has his moments where he’s a really good play caller and I think he has a lot of the attributes you would like in a young coach. He also has way too many head catching moments. I would like to see him call plays for a QB that can throw more than 5 yards down field before I’m completely off of him. 

whose call is it that tommy is danny's "guy"........by the way danny was talking about getting chunk plays or longer plays thru the air instead of grinding out 11 play drives right before the Drake game some might think he was talking about trey or kaminski?  the photoshopped tommy photo on the posters might have been a hint that there was some internal strife about who was the "guy" at qb....yes i would love to see danny call a game with an "elite" fcs quarterback named  ______________.

[Sioux94]

2 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

whose call is it that tommy is danny's "guy"........by the way danny was talking about getting chunk plays or longer plays thru the air instead of grinding out 11 play drives right before the Drake game some might think he was talking about trey or kaminski?  the photoshopped tommy photo on the posters might have been a hint that there was some internal strife about who was the "guy" at qb....yes i would love to see danny call a game with an "elite" fcs quarterback named  ______________.

There was talk about the OL being better so that we'd have more time for longer plays to Develop. At least once Saturday that I recall it looked like we were trying to set up a deep pass but he had no time and got sacked.  Either way, Tommy hasn't shown he can stretch the field. We've got a few guys with some speed. Elioder, Dennis, think Red is fast too but we still can't stretch the field currently. And I would have agreed with you it woulda been better to throw 3 deep balls the first 3 plays at SDSU on the first series because we went 3 and out anyway. Or heck a deep ball on 2nd down in that first series when Q got stuffed.