northernraider Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 I saw this was released a few months ago, thought it would be nice to share with the class https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/220978 Summary North Dakota is #112 in all of D1 with $28.6 million in revenue NDSU is #113 as at $27.6 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forksandspoons Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 40 minutes ago, northernraider said: I saw this was released a few months ago, thought it would be nice to share with the class https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/220978 Summary North Dakota is #112 in all of D1 with $28.6 million in revenue NDSU is #113 as at $27.6 million It says SU is 117 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernraider Posted November 3, 2021 Author Share Posted November 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, forksandspoons said: It says SU is 117 Doh.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 I'd be curious as to what UND ranks for ticket sales. Id guess it's pretty close to 50th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammersmith Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 5 hours ago, nodak651 said: I'd be curious as to what UND ranks for ticket sales. Id guess it's pretty close to 50th Last year's data: NDSU at 60, UND at 68 among public schools. Full DI, probably around 70 and 80, respectively. The following site uses the same data(though it hasn't been updated for 2020). But the site does allow you to sort and create reports that the USA Today website makes very difficult. http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 9 hours ago, Hammersmith said: Last year's data: NDSU at 60, UND at 68 among public schools. Full DI, probably around 70 and 80, respectively. I'm a tad confused ... NDSU plays say 8 home FB game at 20k tix per --> 160k UND plays say 20 home MIH game at 12k tix per --> 240k With that UND lead in primary gate sports, how is NDSU claiming more tix sold? Is NDSU really selling that many more hoop stubs? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJS Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said: I'm a tad confused ... NDSU plays say 8 home FB game at 20k tix per --> 160k UND plays say 20 home MIH game at 12k tix per --> 240k With that UND lead in primary gate sports, how is NDSU claiming more tix sold? Is NDSU really selling that many more hoop stubs? Really? Strictly ticket sales, all combined sports, I think within reason, it's impossible for NDSU to have more, or even really close to UND. Let's give NDSU the 160K tickets for Football. Let's undersell UND Hockey and give them 180K (9K average). Let's undersell UND Football (5 games, Average 7K). 35K for Football. At worst, you have. NDSU Football ---> 160K UND Football / Hockey -----> 215K Let's give NDSU 2X sales for M/W Basketball. Is that 55K? Doubt it. Volleyball? Huge Wrestling / Baseball crowds? It doesn't add up at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammersmith Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: I'm a tad confused ... NDSU plays say 8 home FB game at 20k tix per --> 160k UND plays say 20 home MIH game at 12k tix per --> 240k With that UND lead in primary gate sports, how is NDSU claiming more tix sold? Is NDSU really selling that many more hoop stubs? Really? Two possibilities I can see. But you also need to understand that the ranking is by money, not numbers of tickets sold. The ticket sales number also only counts the face value of the ticket, not any seat fees(Champions Club dues or Ticketmaster fees) or resale upcharges. So... 1. The higher face value prices of NDSU football and basketball tickets is enough to overcome the larger overall quantity of UND tickets. Also factor in the large number of season tickets in both venues. Those tickets are effectively only sold once no matter how many games they cover. I don't know the breakdown of UND MIH ticket prices, season ticket breakdowns, or student section policies well enough to come up with a number to compare to NDSU FB.* 2. The number UND is reporting for ticket sales is after the REA takes its cut. Again, those are possibilities. I don't know if they're true or not, just that, if they were, they might explain the discrepancy you perceive there to be. 2019: NDSU - $6,379,573; UND - $4,994,577 2020: NDSU - $6,281,604; UND - $4,919,814 *NDSU FB 2020: 6 home games; Realistic stadium capacity: 18,450; sideline capacity: 12.1k; endzone capacity: 6.3k; season ticket price: $307 sidelines, $237 endzones; number of season tickets: ~13k; student section size: ~3k(split between sideline & endzone), single game tickets available: ~3k; single game ticket price avg: $57 sidelines, $47 endzone. Using these numbers, a realistic max for NDSU FB would be in the neighborhood of $4.5M/year, maybe up to $4.75M. Plus NDSU makes about $350k per playoff home game, so that normally adds another $1M to the total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hammersmith said: But you also need to understand that the ranking is by money, not numbers of tickets sold. That opens all the angles you mention: It becomes pricing and overhead and reporting games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 UND gets absolutely zero percent of suite revenue at the Ralph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 4 hours ago, nodak651 said: UND gets absolutely zero percent of suite revenue at the Ralph. Concessions ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Sioux Shop ? https://siouxshop.com/store/search.asp?keyword=outerwear Supporting UND Athletics "The Sioux Shop’s profits are reinvested back into the athletics enterprise to help support the development of UND’s Athletic programs and student-athletes." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 5 hours ago, nodak651 said: UND gets absolutely zero percent of suite revenue at the Ralph. Alerus Similar ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 49 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: The Sioux Shop’s profits ... Well, um, ... yeah. After they pay suppliers for goods and then sell the goods and pay their employees ... The question should be is the Shop paying for space/utilities to REA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: Well, um, ... yeah. After they pay suppliers for goods and then sell the goods and pay their employees ... The question should be is the Shop paying for space/utilities to REA. Actually no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: Sioux Shop ? https://siouxshop.com/store/search.asp?keyword=outerwear Supporting UND Athletics The Sioux Shop’s profits are reinvested back into the athletics enterprise to help support the development of UND’s Athletic programs and student-athletes. False Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: Concessions ? Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Sicatoka Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 28 minutes ago, nodak651 said: Actually no. I'm saying, how would they give anything but profits? They have to pay suppliers, cover overhead, and make payroll. Now what their overhead is could get the ol' stink-eye. (Are they paying "heat" or "floor space" to REA?) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 I thought rea gives us what’s left after they cover all their expenses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 UND athletic department pays rent to The Ralph as a lease is in place ? Is this getting confusing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: UND athletic department pays rent to The Ralph as a lease is in place ? Is this getting confusing ? UND doesn't (for the most part) technically pay the ralph rent. If you're looking at UND's financial statement to the NCAA, I would think that they classify the Ralph's cut of ticket sales and marketing revenue, etc, as rent, which is why I believe such a high number is reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: UND athletic department pays rent to The Ralph as a lease is in place ? Is this getting confusing ? Isn't the official number like $1 a year?!! So yeah. Not a huge expense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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