State of UND athletics 2019-forward

[HoopsFan03]

2 hours ago, GoodGood said:

Why wasn’t his contract renewed when we continuously renew other losing coaches??? 

That’s a great question!

Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen to me. More mishandled situations from our AD. Shocker.

[homer]

3 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

That’s a great question!

Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen to me. More mishandled situations from our AD. Shocker.

Sub 30% winning percentage….out of curiosity what is the argument. 

[HoopsFan03]

2 hours ago, homer said:

Sub 30% winning percentage….out of curiosity what is the argument. 

Out of curiosity, did you read the article? 

[homer]

41 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Out of curiosity, did you read the article? 

Yes and my comment would still apply.  The gentlemen has been here 8 years and won less than 30% of his games.  Not sure Title 9 has anything to do with it but apparently you do?  That’s acceptable to you?? 

[HoopsFan03]

25 minutes ago, homer said:

Yes and my comment would still apply.  The gentlemen has been here 8 years and won less than 30% of his games.  Not sure Title 9 has anything to do with it but apparently you do?  That’s acceptable to you?? 

Reading comprehension must not be your strongest trait

[homer]

3 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Reading comprehension must not be your strongest trait

Enlighten me on why he should be retained

[SiouxFan100]

Our volleyball coach has won about 33% of his games over 3 years and he was retained. I don’t know how many years he has in his contract.

[homer]

2 minutes ago, SiouxFan100 said:

Our volleyball coach has won about 33% of his games over 3 years and he was retained. I don’t know how many years he has in his contract.

Soccer coach was here 8 I believe.  

[SiouxFan100]

Softball for the last three years have about a 25% overall winnings and about 33% conference winnings 

I didn’t check who was coaching nor how many years he has in his contract 

I don’t think anyone is questioning the soccer coach non renewal but there are other women program that appear to be just as bad or close to be just as bad acknowledging that the soccer coach was here for a long time.

generally UND giving the doubt to coaches and programs for maybe longer than many/some think is deserved 

[GDPritch]

8 hours ago, GoodGood said:

Why wasn’t his contract renewed when we continuously renew other losing coaches??? 

Fair question.

[GDPritch]

1 hour ago, SiouxFan100 said:

Softball for the last three years have about a 25% overall winnings and about 33% conference winnings 

I didn’t check who was coaching nor how many years he has in his contract 

I don’t think anyone is questioning the soccer coach non renewal but there are other women program that appear to be just as bad or close to be just as bad acknowledging that the soccer coach was here for a long time.

generally UND giving the doubt to coaches and programs for maybe longer than many/some think is deserved 

Volleyball is pretty much just the same the last 3-4 years. Terrible winning percentage in conference play also. 

[HockeyHawk]

10 hours ago, SiouxFan100 said:

Softball for the last three years have about a 25% overall winnings and about 33% conference winnings 

I didn’t check who was coaching nor how many years he has in his contract 

I don’t think anyone is questioning the soccer coach non renewal but there are other women program that appear to be just as bad or close to be just as bad acknowledging that the soccer coach was here for a long time.

generally UND giving the doubt to coaches and programs for maybe longer than many/some think is deserved 

the softball coach is currently working at will. The AD should have started to clear out these underperforming coaches on both sides the last several years. The issue now will be you have a trend in the department where under Chaves the non-renewals are generally on the women's side (WBB, Soccer, W Golf, and soon maybe softball) and non on the mens. How long until lawsuits are filed against the athletic department saying there is a bias towards renewing underperforming mens coaches but not womens? True or not it can be viewed that way.

 

It is interesting the softball program has been a disaster in recent years and the coach is still here despite contract being up the end of last season, but the soccer coach isn't. You have to wonder if something happened behind the scenes?

 

[UND92,96]

15 minutes ago, HockeyHawk said:

the softball coach is currently working at will. The AD should have started to clear out these underperforming coaches on both sides the last several years. The issue now will be you have a trend in the department where under Chaves the non-renewals are generally on the women's side (WBB, Soccer, W Golf, and soon maybe softball) and non on the mens. How long until lawsuits are filed against the athletic department saying there is a bias towards renewing underperforming mens coaches but not womens? True or not it can be viewed that way.

 

It is interesting the softball program has been a disaster in recent years and the coach is still here despite contract being up the end of last season, but the soccer coach isn't. You have to wonder if something happened behind the scenes?

 

You kind of have to assume that the softball situation is different due to the large donation made by one of the player's parents to fund the new facility. It's not Engelstad-type money, but hypothetically, if that player's parents are happy with the coach, it would be a bit more difficult to make a change at this particular point in time.

[Oxbow6]

6 minutes ago, UND92,96 said:

You kind of have to assume that the softball situation is different due to the large donation made by one of the player's parents to fund the new facility. It's not Engelstad-type money, but hypothetically, if that player's parents are happy with the coach, it would be a bit more difficult to make a change at this particular point in time.

So a pseudo-GOBC?

[UND1983]

32 minutes ago, HockeyHawk said:

the softball coach is currently working at will. The AD should have started to clear out these underperforming coaches on both sides the last several years. The issue now will be you have a trend in the department where under Chaves the non-renewals are generally on the women's side (WBB, Soccer, W Golf, and soon maybe softball) and non on the mens. How long until lawsuits are filed against the athletic department saying there is a bias towards renewing underperforming mens coaches but not womens? True or not it can be viewed that way.

 

It is interesting the softball program has been a disaster in recent years and the coach is still here despite contract being up the end of last season, but the soccer coach isn't. You have to wonder if something happened behind the scenes?

 

They could probably fire the softball coach too. And the volleyball coach.  And the basketball coach.  They are all underperforming terribly. Logan is in good company.

[90siouxfan]

a recent Elon Musk story about the Chinese vs. US rowing team seems to apply to UND athletics, sort of

[jdub27]

2 hours ago, HockeyHawk said:

It is interesting the softball program has been a disaster in recent years and the coach is still here despite contract being up the end of last season, but the soccer coach isn't. You have to wonder if something happened behind the scenes?

Softball was also playing out of Apollo with literally nothing for facilities until this year. Expectations of that program will be different going forward.
Soccer plays out of the REA and the entire field was renovated in 2018.

[Oxbow6]

35 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Softball was also playing out of Apollo with literally nothing for facilities until this year. Expectations of that program will be different going forward.
Soccer plays out of the REA and the entire field was renovated in 2018.

FIFA quality is the rumor

[Hockeygirl97]

I think we seem to be missing the big picture here...it used to be if you wanted to keep your AD job (or coaching job, I suppose) you beat the Bison at everything. We've embarrassed the hell out of ourselves in football under this AD and no one else seems to be killing it either. Granted, there other measurements you could use these days, but that one would still have us better placed than we are. Winning is contagious and NO ONE at UND is doing it. Keeping coaches with bad records longer than you should isn't helping the situation. WE NEED A FRESH START AT THE AD POSITION.  P.S. I agree with the Women's soccer team... they need a lot of upgrades. Field especially is not great compared to Denver and the like. I want my niece to come play here in 3 years, let's up our game. 

[HockeyHawk]

8 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Softball was also playing out of Apollo with literally nothing for facilities until this year. Expectations of that program will be different going forward.
Soccer plays out of the REA and the entire field was renovated in 2018.

If it is about wins and losses then the softball and soccer coach should both be gone as well as Bubba and volleyball. Softball had a bad facility and soccer has a facility that is worse than the local high schools. The lack of winning in this department is down to the administration. I don't see how firing the soccer coach moves the needle when the sports that fans care about continue to have the same coaches with the same awful outcomes. We need progress in hockey, football, volleyball, and basketballs and this isn't happening.  To me the AD and his administration needs to go.

[fightingsioux4life]

2 minutes ago, HockeyHawk said:

If it is about wins and losses then the softball and soccer coach should both be gone as well as Bubba and volleyball. Softball had a bad facility and soccer has a facility that is worse than the local high schools. The lack of winning in this department is down to the administration. I don't see how firing the soccer coach moves the needle when the sports that fans care about continue to have the same coaches with the same awful outcomes. We need progress in hockey, football, volleyball, and basketballs and this isn't happening.  To me the AD and his administration needs to go.

Agree 100%

[HockeyHawk]

17 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Agree 100%

Looking at the report in the Herald and the title 9 report by the soccer program it seems the biggest W this program will have for UND is getting Chaves and his chronies fired and we can begin a new era in this department with a competent athletic director and coaches that have the resources to win. I might never say this again but go UND soccer.

[jdub27]

36 minutes ago, HockeyHawk said:

I don't see how firing the soccer coach moves the needle when the sports that fans care about continue to have the same coaches with the same awful outcomes. 

He wasn't fired. And I have a tough time buying the REA and an almost brand new turf field is worse than the local high schools but I digress on that I guess. 

Some of the other coaches would be in the same position if their contracts were up as well.

Volleyball inherited a mess and the coach is still on his first contract trying to fix it. 

[homer]

I’m not arguing that other coaches and/or Chaves need to be looked at but is a coach that has a winning percentage below 30% after 8 years arguing about why he lost his coaching job. 

[HockeyHawk]

10 minutes ago, homer said:

I’m not arguing that other coaches and/or Chaves need to be looked at but is a coach that has a winning percentage below 30% after 8 years arguing about why he lost his coaching job. 

I am wondering why the softball coach still has a job too. I can see why a coach is trying to argue their job since the consistency at UND has been coaching renewals, but as I said earlier I hope this process turns into Chaves and his posse getting canned then we can bring in a new AD that can transform the entire culture and we can have some sports that win.