Who would UND hire?

[fightingsioux4life]

17 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Not really.

You could argue, it's the same as not firing him.

Ain't no one firing a head coach that made the FCS playoffs 5 out of the last 6 years like Bubba has before this season.

That's what were gonna blame Chaves for? lol

Making the playoffs in a severely watered-down down FCS is not a great accomplishment. There are high schools in Texas with higher expectations for their FB team than there is here.

To each their own.

[Cratter]

14 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

You have fully explained the mindset of UND Football and the Athletic Department.  How exciting. 

Ideal? Nope.

Fireable offense though? Far from it.

UND President: "Why didn't you fire fire the head coach of Football program for only making the playoffs last year?!"

[Cratter]

1 minute ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Making the playoffs in a severely watered-down down FCS is not a great accomplishment. There are high schools in Texas with higher expectations for their FB team than there is here.

To each their own.

Youre right its not a great accomplishment.

but you want to fire Chaves for not firing the coach last year?

That's a little out there.

[gfhockey]

42 minutes ago, F'n Hawks said:

Attendance at the last two games should be pretty telling already. You have SDSU and USD at home to end the year and there was no energy in the building and lots of empty seats. 

Was chaves there to see it? I believe the sdsu game he was with hockey

 

saturday was he at the last swim thing?

[UND1983]

40 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Ideal? Nope.

Fireable offense though? Far from it.

UND President: "Why didn't you fire fire the head coach of Football program for only making the playoffs last year?!"

Your question would not be posed obviously. It would be more like:

“are we really going to extend a 62 year old who has never won a playoff game in 10 season?”

[Cratter]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

Your question would not be posed obviously. It would be more like:

“are we really going to extend a 62 year old who has never won a playoff game in 10 season?”

He has won a playoff game.

Ok got it, you would have fired the head football coach last year after the playoff loss.

A season in which UND beat NDSU.

Little strange to me but to each their own.

[UND1983]

6 minutes ago, Cratter said:

He has won a playoff game.

Ok got it, you would have fired the head football coach last year after the playoff loss.

Little strange to me but to each their own.

If you have been following along at all you would know we are all questioning why they EXTENDED him last spring, when they just flamed out in playoffs yet again and he is 62.  

Now we know why.  Because you cannot extend him now after going 5-7.  So Chaves took the path of least resistance like usual.  

[Cratter]

7 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

If you have been following along at all you would know we are all questioning why they EXTENDED him last spring...

Huh?

That's how paying people works.

You fire or extend.

You would have fired him.

The reason is he made them playoffs and beat NDSU. So they decided not to fire him.

You really didn't know why they extended him?!

[UND1983]

Just now, Cratter said:

Huh?

That's how paying people work.

You fire or extend.

You would have fired him.

The reason is he made them playoffs and beat NDSU. So they did not fire him.

You really didn't know why they extended him?!

There were two years left.  We have covered this.  Win and you get your extension.  Lose and we need to move on.

Its been 11 years.  

[Cratter]

31 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

There were two years left.  We have covered this.  Win and you get your extension.  Lose and we need to move on.

Its been 11 years.  

Oh that's just a part of normal contract talks.

You usually start working on a new contract during your current contract.

In Bubbas case, it's always been "2 year extensions." We know he won't make it that long but now his current contract expires at the end of 2027.

So when 2026 comes around they would have begun working on another 2 year extension (usually in case the process takes longer than hoped.) 

I don't necessarily like it either; but thats the way it usually works, and coaches usually will start to look for other options near "lame duck" contract years.

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If Schweigert is fired without cause prior to the end of his contract, UND will owe Schweigert 100 percent of his base salary for the first 24 months. UND will pay 75 percent of his base salary for Months 25-36 and 50 percent for Months 37 to 48.

If he were to be fired and Schweigert then receives athletics-related compensation elsewhere, UND would owe Schweigert the difference between his new salary and his UND contract.

They build in "safe guards" in the contract if they decide to fire Bubba.

"Bubba we will pay you zero if we fire you."

"No" "ok partial"....and so forth as negotiations go....hence why it could take some time.

Let's not pretend most people were upset with this extension at the time:

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To sum it up here are my thoughts: I am fine with the extension. I am also fine with it because I am assuming conversations have taken place about “how do we get over the hump?” – “What needs to change?” Chaves brought in Derek Stein to take over the strength and conditioning program. The football program has consistently peaked mid-season only to be playing average football when it mattered most. Does a new approach in training help with that? We will see.

https://undfootball360.com/my-thoughts-und-extends-bubba-schweigert-through-2027-season/

You got any more questions why they extended him?

[Cratter]

Jdubs take over....I feel like I'm doing your job!

[UND1983]

15 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Oh that's just a part of normal contract talks.

You usually start working on a new contract during your current contract.

In Bubbas case, it's always been "2 year extensions." We know he won't make it that long but now his current contract expires at the end of 2027.

So when 2026 comes around they would have begun working on another 2 year extension (usually in case the process takes longer than hoped.) 

I don't necessarily like it either; but thats the way it usually works, and coaches usually will start to look for other options near "lame duck" contract years.

They build in "safe guards" in the contract if they decide to fire Bubba.

"Bubba we will pay you zero if we fire you."

"No" "ok partial"....and so forth as negotiations go....hence why it could take some time.

Let's not pretend most people were upset with this extension at the time:

https://undfootball360.com/my-thoughts-und-extends-bubba-schweigert-through-2027-season/

You got any more questions why they extended him?

Adding a new strength coach seems a bit light. My biggest fear was losing this fall and being stuck.  Here we are.  

[fightingsioux4life]

22 minutes ago, Cratter said:

You got any more questions why they extended him?

So basically Bubba has a lifetime contract as long as he wants it.

Unacceptable. But keep cheerleading him if you want. I am through listening to the alibis and excuses.

[Cratter]

Just now, UND1983 said:

Adding a new strength coach seems a bit light. My biggest fear was losing this fall and being stuck.  Here we are.  

Yeah it sucks we're all frustrated with how the season played out.

I'm sure Chaves is gonna sit down with Bubba and discuss the season.

And there's a real possibility he sucks again next year and he losses his job.

Chaves likely trying to gather some funds from ex football players (amongst others) to buy out his contract should it come to that.

The seat is definately getting warmer for Bubba.

IMO, He's getting a "C" grade, the edge of being fired. But just good enough to not be fired.

We need to ask ourselves where is the line for next year?

Mine is a playoff win. Anything less than that: time to try someone else.

[Cratter]

7 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

So basically Bubba has a lifetime contract as long as he wants it.

Lol.

No, they will have to buy out his remaining contract....a "golden parachute" if you will.

Just like they did with Mussman. 

Guess how many years Mussman had left on his contract?

2.

None of this process is new. We've been playing this same process out since the inception of SiouxSports. We can all go back and look at history of posts on this site and see exactly what the future will look like.

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, Cratter said:

Lol.

No, they will have to buy out his remaining contract....a "golden parachute" if you will.

Just like they did with Mussman.

Lol yourself. This isn't funny.

My point is that Chaves will keep extending him indefinitely so he doesn't have to have that difficult conversation with him. And if he does that, you'll probably give us another contract negotiation lesson in support of it. 

[HoopsFan03]

11 minutes ago, Cratter said:

IMO, He's getting a "C" grade, the edge of being fired. But just good enough to not be fired.

IMO, you’ve lost your damn mind

[Cratter]

 

3 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

This isn't funny.

My point is that Chaves will keep extending him indefinitely...

It's a sport you watch for entertainment purposes. Affects nothing in your life. 

Except our own enjoyment is less because we lose more.

Cheering is more fun. We all want more fun in our life's.

If you think Chaves will just keep extending Bubba, regardless of performance, I got a AZ beachfront property to sell you.

But if you wanna disagree what a "fireable season" is than Chaves thinks. That's a point of discussion.

[SiouxFan100]

Do folks think Bubba will be forced out in a week or so? Seems doubtful based on history 

[Cratter]

Just now, HoopsFan03 said:

IMO, you’ve lost your damn mind

This season? 

F

Entire last few years (usually what you base performance on): C.

Your grades?

[GDPritch]

6 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Name one hire that Chaves has made that has worked out in any meaningful way.

You can't........unless you are fine with all the mediocrity. I am not with it.

 

7 hours ago, Cratter said:

I've seen that exact same argument for every athletic director and every major head coach for UND over the last 25+ years.

Sorta rings hollow when its constantly thrown around.

Here’s something that doesn’t ring hollow.  UND’s 3 women’s team sports of volleyball, softball and soccer record-wise for the last 4 complete seasons in conference play only have a total combined overall winning percentage (I threw out the 10 soccer ties) of just 27% with a total record of 47 W - 124 L.  That is just ridiculous.  If you throw in the 4th women’s team sport basketball it rises slightly to 31% overall with total record of 74W - 165 L.  I can bet you the other 3 Dakota schools come nowhere near approaching that level of mediocrity.  

[Cratter]

1 minute ago, SiouxFan100 said:

Do folks think Bubba will be forced out in a week or so? Seems doubtful based on history 

UND didn't fire Mussman til a 3-8 season.

5-11 his two Big Sky seasons.

 

 

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, Cratter said:

 

It's a sport you watch for entertainment purposes. Affects nothing in your life. 

Except our own enjoyment is less because we lose more.

Cheering is more fun. We all want more fun in our life's.

If you think Chaves will just keep extending Bubba, regardless of performance, I got a AZ beachfront property to sell you.

But if you wanna disagree what a "fireable season" is than Chaves thinks. That's a point of discussion.

If wins and losses are 100% irrelevant, we are officially running this program like a high school program.

[HoopsFan03]

4 minutes ago, Cratter said:

This season? 

F

Entire last few years (usually what you base performance on): C.

Your grades?

Career D-

0 playoff wins in horrible FCS football. ~.500 win percentage. Thats about all we need to know. He’s a bad football coach. 

[Cratter]

Just now, HoopsFan03 said:

0 playoff wins in horrible FCS football. 

So many people don't know how many FCS playoff wins Bubba has.

How am I suppose to respect their opinion?