Who would UND hire?

[UND1983]

15 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Oh that's just a part of normal contract talks.

You usually start working on a new contract during your current contract.

In Bubbas case, it's always been "2 year extensions." We know he won't make it that long but now his current contract expires at the end of 2027.

So when 2026 comes around they would have begun working on another 2 year extension (usually in case the process takes longer than hoped.) 

I don't necessarily like it either; but thats the way it usually works, and coaches usually will start to look for other options near "lame duck" contract years.

They build in "safe guards" in the contract if they decide to fire Bubba.

"Bubba we will pay you zero if we fire you."

"No" "ok partial"....and so forth as negotiations go....hence why it could take some time.

Let's not pretend most people were upset with this extension at the time:

https://undfootball360.com/my-thoughts-und-extends-bubba-schweigert-through-2027-season/

You got any more questions why they extended him?

Adding a new strength coach seems a bit light. My biggest fear was losing this fall and being stuck.  Here we are.  

[fightingsioux4life]

22 minutes ago, Cratter said:

You got any more questions why they extended him?

So basically Bubba has a lifetime contract as long as he wants it.

Unacceptable. But keep cheerleading him if you want. I am through listening to the alibis and excuses.

[Cratter]

Just now, UND1983 said:

Adding a new strength coach seems a bit light. My biggest fear was losing this fall and being stuck.  Here we are.  

Yeah it sucks we're all frustrated with how the season played out.

I'm sure Chaves is gonna sit down with Bubba and discuss the season.

And there's a real possibility he sucks again next year and he losses his job.

Chaves likely trying to gather some funds from ex football players (amongst others) to buy out his contract should it come to that.

The seat is definately getting warmer for Bubba.

IMO, He's getting a "C" grade, the edge of being fired. But just good enough to not be fired.

We need to ask ourselves where is the line for next year?

Mine is a playoff win. Anything less than that: time to try someone else.

[Cratter]

7 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

So basically Bubba has a lifetime contract as long as he wants it.

Lol.

No, they will have to buy out his remaining contract....a "golden parachute" if you will.

Just like they did with Mussman. 

Guess how many years Mussman had left on his contract?

2.

None of this process is new. We've been playing this same process out since the inception of SiouxSports. We can all go back and look at history of posts on this site and see exactly what the future will look like.

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, Cratter said:

Lol.

No, they will have to buy out his remaining contract....a "golden parachute" if you will.

Just like they did with Mussman.

Lol yourself. This isn't funny.

My point is that Chaves will keep extending him indefinitely so he doesn't have to have that difficult conversation with him. And if he does that, you'll probably give us another contract negotiation lesson in support of it. 

[Cratter]

 

3 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

This isn't funny.

My point is that Chaves will keep extending him indefinitely...

It's a sport you watch for entertainment purposes. Affects nothing in your life. 

Except our own enjoyment is less because we lose more.

Cheering is more fun. We all want more fun in our life's.

If you think Chaves will just keep extending Bubba, regardless of performance, I got a AZ beachfront property to sell you.

But if you wanna disagree what a "fireable season" is than Chaves thinks. That's a point of discussion.

[SiouxFan100]

Do folks think Bubba will be forced out in a week or so? Seems doubtful based on history 

[Cratter]

Just now, HoopsFan03 said:

IMO, you’ve lost your damn mind

This season? 

F

Entire last few years (usually what you base performance on): C.

Your grades?

[GDPritch]

6 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Name one hire that Chaves has made that has worked out in any meaningful way.

You can't........unless you are fine with all the mediocrity. I am not with it.

 

7 hours ago, Cratter said:

I've seen that exact same argument for every athletic director and every major head coach for UND over the last 25+ years.

Sorta rings hollow when its constantly thrown around.

Here’s something that doesn’t ring hollow.  UND’s 3 women’s team sports of volleyball, softball and soccer record-wise for the last 4 complete seasons in conference play only have a total combined overall winning percentage (I threw out the 10 soccer ties) of just 27% with a total record of 47 W - 124 L.  That is just ridiculous.  If you throw in the 4th women’s team sport basketball it rises slightly to 31% overall with total record of 74W - 165 L.  I can bet you the other 3 Dakota schools come nowhere near approaching that level of mediocrity.  

[Cratter]

1 minute ago, SiouxFan100 said:

Do folks think Bubba will be forced out in a week or so? Seems doubtful based on history 

UND didn't fire Mussman til a 3-8 season.

5-11 his two Big Sky seasons.

 

 

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, Cratter said:

 

It's a sport you watch for entertainment purposes. Affects nothing in your life. 

Except our own enjoyment is less because we lose more.

Cheering is more fun. We all want more fun in our life's.

If you think Chaves will just keep extending Bubba, regardless of performance, I got a AZ beachfront property to sell you.

But if you wanna disagree what a "fireable season" is than Chaves thinks. That's a point of discussion.

If wins and losses are 100% irrelevant, we are officially running this program like a high school program.

[Cratter]

Just now, HoopsFan03 said:

0 playoff wins in horrible FCS football. 

So many people don't know how many FCS playoff wins Bubba has.

How am I suppose to respect their opinion?

[UND1983]

Just now, Cratter said:

So many people don't know how many FCS playoff wins Bubba has.

How am I suppose to respect their opinion?

Let’s be real, nobody counted that spring season except Sam Houston and Bubba supporters.

This stinks.  So much time spent in angst. Wish it had just been taken care of last winter naturally.

[Cratter]

3 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

If wins and losses are 100% irrelevant, we are officially running this program like a high school program.

100% of people would agree with you on this statement. 

[SiouxFan100]

3 minutes ago, GDPritch said:

 

Here’s something that doesn’t ring hollow.  UND’s 3 women’s team sports of volleyball, softball and soccer record-wise for the last 4 complete seasons in conference play only have a total combined overall winning percentage (I threw out the 10 soccer ties) of just 27% with a total record of 47 W - 124 L.  That is just ridiculous.  If you throw in the 4th women’s team sport basketball it rises slightly to 31% overall with total record of 74W - 165 L.  I can bet you the other 3 Dakota schools come nowhere near approaching that level of mediocrity.  

This

Doesn’t seem like a commitment to women’s sports at UND.

especially when there is success at the su’s

[Hawkster]

14 minutes ago, SiouxFan100 said:

Do folks think Bubba will be forced out in a week or so? Seems doubtful based on history 

Nope.  Bubba gets one more season.

[Hawkster]

27 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Lol.

No, they will have to buy out his remaining contract....a "golden parachute" if you will.

Just like they did with Mussman. 

Guess how many years Mussman had left on his contract?

2.

None of this process is new. We've been playing this same process out since the inception of SiouxSports. We can all go back and look at history of posts on this site and see exactly what the future will look like.

I thought Mussman only had one year left when he was let go.   Now I sure could be wrong and probably am, just wondering if it really was two years left.

[gfhockey]

I think one of the bigger und football boosters is in legal trouble too but could be wrong idk

[UND08]

The last two pages of this discussion shows me why UND will seemingly NEVER get to the upper echelon!  NDSU fans and boosters ran a coach out of town who had a 60-11 record and two titles because they didn’t like the trajectory the program was on.

And now they’re cruising…

Meanwhile we extend Bubba multiple times with much more mediocre results and to some it’s “water under the bridge”…

This is D1 folks…wake me up when we want to look the part!

[Cratter]

14 minutes ago, Hawkster said:

I thought Mussman only had one year left when he was let go.   Now I sure could be wrong and probably am, just wondering if it really was two years left.

Quote

Mussman has two years remaining on his contract. He will receive his full salary in 2014 and 50 percent of his salary in 2015, providing he does not take another coaching position.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/newsmd/und-fires-head-football-coach-chris-mussman

So if Bubba is let go after next season: another 2 year buyout. 

[UND1983]

5 minutes ago, UND08 said:

The last two pages of this discussion shows me why UND will seemingly NEVER get to the upper echelon!  NDSU fans and boosters ran a coach out of town who had a 60-11 record and two titles because they didn’t like the trajectory the program was on.

And now they’re cruising…

Meanwhile we extend Bubba multiple times with much more mediocre results and to some it’s “water under the bridge”…

This is D1 folks…wake me up when we want to look the part!

Hard to argue that

[wheelsup]

This discussion is bordering on rediculous.. remember.. the additional two year extension was after….

1) another terrible defensive performance leading to a loss of a home playoff game. 
2) arguably your best two coaches leaving for lateral moves at best 

3) a home town kid/und football player/und football family stopping through town for 5 mins on his way to a lateral position at your instate rival..

seems like any of those three above situations would be a.. hey let’s pump the brakes on an extension and see how this year works out.  I mean he still had two years on his contract.. it wasn’t like they were going to throw him out in the street.. 

and agree 100% with und08.. ndsu ran entz out of town after he had a season we can only dream about.. the difference in expectations is substantial.. I’m old enough to remember when we were relevant and I miss it. 

[Hawkster]

32 minutes ago, UND08 said:

The last two pages of this discussion shows me why UND will seemingly NEVER get to the upper echelon!  NDSU fans and boosters ran a coach out of town who had a 60-11 record and two titles because they didn’t like the trajectory the program was on.

And now they’re cruising…

Meanwhile we extend Bubba multiple times with much more mediocre results and to some it’s “water under the bridge”…

This is D1 folks…wake me up when we want to look the part!

And it didn't cost NDSU a cent to get rid of the coach.   He got a better paying job elsewhere.   This is what's so frustrating.

[iramurphy]

6 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

I disagree; it’s the only option when discussion and communication is blatantly ignored time and time again.
 

The expectations just aren’t there for UND football apparently.  I do agree folks should focus on “raising their family or helping their kids in college etc.” but concurrently they probably should not be attending/donating to UND athletics if the University leaders are only going to gaslight them and spend their donated dollars irresponsibly and without merit.

Then we disagree on the best approach. Another option is to pay a significant amount toward a buyout.

If our donations drop significantly, and attendance is markedly down, it makes it more difficult to attract recruits and some potential coaches. If support stays strong, our program is more attractive from the outside looking in.  Once donors find other options for donations, a number of them don’t come back. 

People have posted that our sister school to the south fired a coach who was something like 60-11. I understood boosters showed up with checkbooks rather than abandon ship but I wasn’t there, so I may be wrong. 
 

Money talks, especially if it’s someone else’s money. With this problem, is obvious more is said than done. 

[Hawkster]

31 minutes ago, Cratter said:

https://www.grandforksherald.com/newsmd/und-fires-head-football-coach-chris-mussman

So if Bubba is let go after next season: another 2 year buyout. 

You were right, Muss had two years left.  But still only cost $175,000