UND Research Developments

[FSSD]

According to the NSF you have the following for 2019.  They have not released the 2020 numbers yet.  Here a sampling for the Upper Midwest/West states:  IL, WI, MN, ND, SD, NE, IA, MO, CO, WY, MT and ID

Schools in the Top 10% Percentile are all R1

Schools 1% to 10% Percentile	Rank	Prcntl	R&D Exp
U. Wisconsin + Med	8	1.8	1,542,083	R1
U. Minnesota, Twin Cities	17	2.7	1,013,112	R1
U. Illinois Champaign	38	5.0	677,523	R1
U. Colorado Boulder	52	6.5	513,822	R1
U. Iowa	53	6.6	508,353	R1
Colorado State U.	65	7.9	398,477	R1
U. Illinois, Chicago	69	8.4	382,949	R1
Iowa State U.	73	8.8	358,474	R1
U. Nebraska, Lincoln + Med	79	9.4	511,275	R1
U. Missouri, Columbia	89	10.5	278,793	R1

 

Schools in the Top 15% to 30% Percentile are mix of R1 and R2 - mostly R2

Schools 10% to 30% Percentile	Rank	Prcntl	R&D Exp
Montana State U.	135	15.5	154,811	R1
North Dakota State U.	138	15.8	152,381	R1
U. Idaho	152	17.3	113,107	R2
U. North Dakota	153	17.5	110,836	R2
U. Montana, Missoula	157	17.9	104,665	R2
U. Wyoming	171	19.4	80,353	R2
Colorado School of Mines	177	20.0	70,397	R2
South Dakota State U.	182	20.6	66,794	R2
U. Wis-Milwaukee	197	22.2	53,773	R1
Southern Illinois U.	218	24.5	41,729	R2
Boise State U.	221	24.8	39,824	R2
U. Denver	230	25.8	36,551	R1
U. South Dakota, The	236	26.4	32,028	R2
Illinois State U.	245	27.4	27,082	R2
U. Missouri, Kansas City	249	27.8	26,708	R2
Northern Illinois U.	251	28.1	26,570	R2

Other Schools in the area:

Other Schools	Rank	Prcntl	R&D Exp
Southern Illinois U., Edwardsville	283	31.5	18,088
Idaho State U.	300	33.4	14,972
U. Nebraska, Omaha	302	33.6	14,302
U. Missouri, Saint Louis	306	34.0	13,697
South Dakota School of Mines	312	34.7	12,973
Montana Technological U.	314	34.9	12,731
Missouri State U., Springfield	389	43.0	5,910
U. Northern Colorado	423	46.7	4,571
Dakota State U.	447	49.3	3,710
U. Northern Iowa	452	49.8	3,628

 

 

[The Sicatoka]

There's this little thing called the Big Ten Academic Alliance.
It's made up of numbers 2, 8, 14, 17, 23, 25, 29, 35, 38, 39, 40, 41, 53, and 79 (from @FSSD list). 
How'd they get there? They work together leveraging off each others' strengths to get research funding. 

 

I think a conference and academic consortium made up of 135, 138, 152, 153, 157, 182, working together could make a solid core like the B1G has done. That group would have 8 US Senators looking out for them. (The B1G group has 22.) Next likely targets would be 230 and 236. 

Never forget: College presidents have the final say on conference alignments. They look at this stuff just as hard or harder than athletics. (I think I just channeled my inner Sioux Volley; I miss that guy.) 

[nodak651]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

There's this little thing called the Big Ten Academic Alliance.
It's made up of numbers 2, 8, 14, 17, 23, 25, 29, 35, 38, 39, 40, 41, 53, and 79 (from @FSSD list). 
How'd they get there? They work together leveraging off each others' strengths to get research funding. 

 

I think a conference and academic consortium made up of 135, 138, 152, 153, 157, 182, working together could make a solid core like the B1G has done. That group would have 8 US Senators looking out for them. (The B1G group has 22.) Next likely targets would be 230 and 236. 

Never forget: College presidents have the final say on conference alignments. They look at this stuff just as hard or harder than athletics. (I think I just channeled my inner Sioux Volley; I miss that guy.) 

RIP.  I never understood why sports have any relevence whatsover when it comes to research alliances, such as that in the BigTen.  Like is there some type of synergy I'm missing or something?  Why does sports affiliation affect this stuff?  I gotta be missing something here... pls help.

@FSSD What does nsf stand for and can you post a link if possible?  Is it possible to look up historical data?

[nodakvindy]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

There's this little thing called the Big Ten Academic Alliance.
It's made up of numbers 2, 8, 14, 17, 23, 25, 29, 35, 38, 39, 40, 41, 53, and 79 (from @FSSD list). 
How'd they get there? They work together leveraging off each others' strengths to get research funding. 

 

I think a conference and academic consortium made up of 135, 138, 152, 153, 157, 182, working together could make a solid core like the B1G has done. That group would have 8 US Senators looking out for them. (The B1G group has 22.) Next likely targets would be 230 and 236. 

Never forget: College presidents have the final say on conference alignments. They look at this stuff just as hard or harder than athletics. (I think I just channeled my inner Sioux Volley; I miss that guy.) 

Agree wholeheartedly. Follow the money.  It's why I laugh when i hear people suggest any school would leave the Big Ten for the SEC.  Football money is peanuts compared to the research dollars.

 

 

[The Sicatoka]

50 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

RIP.  I never understood why sports have any relevence whatsover when it comes to research alliances, such as that in the BigTen.  Like is there some type of synergy I'm missing or something?  Why does sports affiliation affect this stuff?  I gotta be missing something here... pls help.

In academia, you are the company you keep. And university presidents decide on that company. (Channeling my inner Volley again, you have to think like a university president on these matters.) 

 

Montana (157) and Montana State (135) had a real hard spot with Southern Utah (690) coming into their sandbox, their company, the BSC. They were just fine with North Dakota (153). 

[The Sicatoka]

19 minutes ago, nodakvindy said:

Agree wholeheartedly. Follow the money.  It's why I laugh when i hear people suggest any school would leave the Big Ten for the SEC.  Football money is peanuts compared to the research dollars.

You know the meme with the guy walking with one chick and eyeballing another going the other way? 

Missouri is the guy; the SEC is the chick he's with, and the B1G is what's getting the eyeball. 
Missouri would go to the B1G in a split second if offered. 

[FSSD]

45 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

RIP.  I never understood why sports have any relevence whatsover when it comes to research alliances, such as that in the BigTen.  Like is there some type of synergy I'm missing or something?  Why does sports affiliation affect this stuff?  I gotta be missing something here... pls help.

@FSSD What does nsf stand for and can you post a link if possible?  Is it possible to look up historical data?

NSF – NCSES Academic Institution Profiles – Rankings by total R&D expenditures

NSF is the National Science Foundation.

Here is the historical data for UND and NDSU

	NDSU	UND
2019	152,381	110,836
2018	145,669	109,865
2017	153,119	102,823
2016	156,297	70,275
2015	153,542	64,384
2014	154,437	67,595
2013	150,173	68,942
2012	135,493	80,149
2011	134,064	74,882
2010	126,419	76,560

[Dustin]

On 12/21/2021 at 11:18 AM, nodak651 said:

NDSU is going to be reclassified back to R1

This implies that they were R1 at some point in the past.  Anyone know the history?  Has UND ever been R1?  

[The Sicatoka]

Somebody ( @jdub27maybe?) told me once that there are a lot of research grants that only land grant schools can bid on and that aids NDSU. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Somebody ( @jdub27maybe?) told me once that there are a lot of research grants that only land grant schools can bid on and that aids NDSU. 

i remember that too....it's either ndac or...............ndac that gets the money.

[FSSD]

26 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

In academia, you are the company you keep. And university presidents decide on that company. (Channeling my inner Volley again, you have to think like a university president on these matters.) 

 

Montana (157) and Montana State (135) had a real hard spot with Southern Utah (690) coming into their sandbox, their company, the BSC. They were just fine with North Dakota (153). 

Which is why, I don't mind the SL as it is right now.  It is very close to having a solid core of 8 schools.  The SL needs to keep UMKC, UNO, UST and DU in the fold.  They are a fit academically and are great markets.  And yes, UNO, UMKC and UST need help growing the athletics but tie the schools together with academics (NOTE: several med schools in that SL list - Great Plains IDeA-CTR (https://gpctr.unmc.edu/)   (NDSU, UNL, UNO, USD, KU Medical Center, UNMC, UND) look to extend that UMKC, UST and DU:

Institution	2019
NDSU	138	15.8	152,381	R1
UND	153	17.5	110,836	R2
SDSU	182	20.6	66,794	R2
U. Denver	230	25.8	36,551	R1
SDSU	236	26.4	32,028	R2
UM-KC	249	27.8	26,708	R2
UNO	302	33.6	14,302	R2
WIU	506	55.6	2,373
UST	555	60.9	1,870
ORU			NA

Now compare the Summit League to MVC:

Institution	2019
S Illinois U.	218	24.5	41,729	R2
Illinois State U.	245	27.4	27,082	R2
MSU	389	43.0	5,910
UNI	452	49.8	3,628
Indiana State	576	63.2	1,682
Bradley U.	606	66.5	1,357
Drake U.	677	74.1	865
Valparaiso U.	697	76.3	763
U. Evansville	828	90.5	350

 

[FSSD]

7 minutes ago, Dustin said:

This implies that they were R1 at some point in the past.  Anyone know the history?  Has UND ever been R1?  

Yes, they were R1 for a number of years right after moving to DI.  Then they were classified to R2.  They are a school which will always be on the cut-line going up and down given recent trends.  NDSU has a large amount of research space I think something like top 40 in the country.

[UNDBIZ]

45 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Somebody ( @jdub27maybe?) told me once that there are a lot of research grants that only land grant schools can bid on and that aids NDSU. 

Ndsu also receives nearly $40 million of agricultural research funding directly from the state every year.  No competitive grant process.

[nodak651]

Love the info everyone.  Thank you.  So does anyone know the % breakdown of the fields UND generates the most research in, perhaps now vs some point in the past?  It will be interesting to see how much of an impact our relationship with the space force creates.  Also the EERC developments with that pipeline are interesting as well.

NVM.. the nsf link breaks down the info in a bunch of different ways.   

[The Sicatoka]

36 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Ndsu also receives nearly $40 million of agricultural research funding directly from the state every year.  No competitive grant process.

Given that the NSF expenditure numbers are in "000s", that $40 million is about the difference between NDSU (152,381) and UND (110,836). 

[nodak651]

UND R&D by Field Field	2019		2018		2017		2016		2015		2014		2013		2012		2011		2010
All R&D fields	110,836		109,865		102,823		70,275		64,384		67,595		68,942		80,149		74,882		76,560
Science	46,081		47,101		48,473		30,992		30,039		27,328		31,088		34,651		32,445		30,231
Computer and information sciences	2,059		2,227		1,180		722		228		74		56		21		59		34
Geosciences, atmospheric , and ocean sciences	6,713		4,056		5,793		7,348		8,499		8,648		9,675		12,140		12,365		11,730
Atmospheric science and meteorology	5,299		2,801		2,621		3,474		5,041		5,562		6,098		7,393		6,980		5,248
Geological and earth sciences	1,414		1,255		2,979		3,874		3,267		2,736		3,197		4,325		4,839		5,993
Ocean sciences and marine sciences	0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0
Geosciences, atmospheric, and ocean sciences, other	0		0		193		0		191		350		380		422		546		489
Life sciences	28,781		30,647		31,523		14,007		18,007		15,538		17,004		16,957		16,670		15,007
Agricultural sciences	0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0
Biological and biomedical sciences	16,722		18,184		18,794		10,706		14,853		12,464		13,204		12,932		12,693		10,313
Health sciences	12,059		11,708		12,090		1,045		830		763		1,031		1,018		1,397		2,170
Natural resources and conservation	0		524		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0
Life sciences, not elsewhere classified	0		231		639		2,256		2,324		2,311		2,769		3,007		2,580		2,524
Mathematics and statistics	383		384		381		0		0		0		0		0		0		5
Physical sciences	3,607		3,119		6,041		6,945		1,330		1,583		2,075		3,684		1,598		1,789
Astronomy and astrophysics	0		0		3,186		192		0		0		0		0		0		0
Chemistry	2,720		2,306		2,437		5,475		1,102		1,403		1,818		3,411		1,380		1,640
Materials science	0		0		0		1,262		0		0		0		0		0		0
Physics	887		813		0		7		228		180		257		256		218		149
Physical sciences, not elsewhere classified	0		0		418		9		0		0		0		17		0		0
Psychology	1,135		1,640		1,613		501		49		0		8		0		7		93
Social sciences	1,739		1,426		1,511		684		89		65		45		21		128		185
Anthropology	159		96		80		634		0		0		0		0		0		0
Economics	649		492		473		27		0		0		9		18		42		143
Political science and government	291		247		262		0		45		0		0		1		2		0
Sociology, demography, and population studies	178		144		154		0		0		22		0		0		57		12
Social sciences, not elsewhere classified	462		447		542		23		44		43		36		2		27		30
Sciences, not elsewhere classified	1,664		3,602		431		785		1,837		1,420		2,225		1,828		1,618		1,388
Aerospace, aeronautical, and astronautical engineering	0		2,255		3,746		1,885		0		0		0		0		0		0
Bioengineering and biomedical engineering	0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0
Chemical engineering	1,044		1,386		1,228		1,283		752		1,125		2,351		3,402		3,294		3,629
Civil engineering	42,263		26,495		630		1,459		432		1,817		1,790		2,467		2,123		2,262
Electrical, electronic, and communications engineering	1,741		1,276		1,731		385		182		167		254		67		669		975
Industrial and manufacturing engineering	0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0
Mechanical engineering	745		944		1,036		671		710		546		593		789		1,014		571
Metallurgical and materials engineering	752		774		907		2,067		0		0		0		0		0		0
Engineering not elsewhere classified	8,215		19,830		34,207		30,403		31,475		36,216		32,560		38,416		35,091		38,594
Non-S&E	9,995		9,804		10,865		1,130		794		396		306		357		246		298
Business management and business administration	1,196		1,158		2,259		22		338		157		95		52		73		60
Communication and communications technologies	409		225		407		0		0		15		14		7		69		14
Education	2,619		1,699		1,574		65		206		74		58		16		14		103
Humanities	1,911		1,794		1,702		36		19		8		5		6		31		20
Law	851		1,511		537		0		0		0		0		3		0		0
Social work	308		358		568		202		228		79		5		1		0		7
Visual and performing arts	716		727		702		31		3		0		0		0		0		0
Non-S&E, not elsewhere classified	1,985		2,332		3,116		774		0		63		129		272		59		94

[jdub27]

All one needs to know about the differences is told by looking at the state/local funding at the source level. Having something like 1/3 of your funding come from local non-competive grants really gives you a leg up. And it could be significantly higher than that depending on what is put into the "Instituion Funds" bucket and where that money filters down from.

If one recalls, Nebraska lost their AAU status about 10 years ago because they were so reliant on non-competive, non-peer reviewed reserach grants and weren't strong enough on competitive federal research grants. Carnegie does not distinguish between where research dollars come from.

[FSSD]

4 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

All one needs to know about the differences is told by looking at the state/local funding at the source level. Having something like 1/3 of your funding come from local non-competive grants really gives you a leg up. And it could be significantly higher than that depending on what is put into the "Instituion Funds" bucket and where that money filters down from.

If one recalls, Nebraska lost their AAU status about 10 years ago because they were so reliant on non-competive, non-peer reviewed reserach grants and weren't strong enough on competitive federal research grants. Carnegie does not distinguish between where research dollars come from.

Two things caused the Nebraska problem:

1) Nebraska reorganized and created a separate Medical School.

U. Nebraska, Lincoln	79	9.4	316,820
U. Nebraska, Medical Center	118	13.7	194,455

2) Texas (UT) was being petty and pushed for a lower weighting on non-competitive research grants.  NOTE:  A&M is the Land Grant school in Texas.

[jdub27]

3 hours ago, FSSD said:

Two things caused the Nebraska problem:

1) Nebraska reorganized and created a separate Medical School.

U. Nebraska, Lincoln	79	9.4	316,820
U. Nebraska, Medical Center	118	13.7	194,455

2) Texas (UT) was being petty and pushed for a lower weighting on non-competitive research grants.  NOTE:  A&M is the Land Grant school in Texas.

Both are fair points.
The Med school is actually in Omaha, so considered "off-campus" and not part of their campus research numbers.
There were some behind the scene things going on that led to Nebraska being voted out but they were aware it was coming. It still took a 2/3's vote to get them out. 

[forksandspoons]

Some interesting stuff in this article, including a $100 million increase in grants over last year: 

UND state of campus event notes finances, enrollment and awards

https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/local/und-state-of-campus-event-notes-finances-enrollment-and-awards

[nodak651]

42 minutes ago, forksandspoons said:

Some interesting stuff in this article, including a $100 million increase in grants over last year: 

UND state of campus event notes finances, enrollment and awards

https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/local/und-state-of-campus-event-notes-finances-enrollment-and-awards

Is that research grants or just grants in general?  I didn't see a total number for research but I may have missed it while skimming the article.  I think total research for 2020 was $111,663,000 so are we looking at 200 million plus?

[The Sicatoka]

2 hours ago, nodak651 said:

Is that research grants or just grants in general?  I didn't see a total number for research but I may have missed it while skimming the article.  I think total research for 2020 was $111,663,000 so are we looking at 200 million plus?

 

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Driving growth in revenue largely came from an increase in federal grants and contracts. Armacost said grants are projected to total $183 million, a large increase from the $81.8 million brought in in the previous fiscal year.

Retired USAF general and USAFA faculty assumes presidency of UND. 

$100 million in Federal grants and contract happen following year.

And Gen. John "Jay" Raymond and UND President Andy Armacost (Gen, USAF, Retired) signed a historic agreement between the Space Force and UND – an agreement making UND the first member of the Space Force’s University Partnership Program. Gen. Raymond to speak at commencement. 

[jdub27]

27 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Retired USAF general and USAFA faculty assumes presidency of UND. 

$100 million in Federal grants and contract happen following year.

And Gen. John "Jay" Raymond and UND President Andy Armacost (Gen, USAF, Retired) signed a historic agreement between the Space Force and UND – an agreement making UND the first member of the Space Force’s University Partnership Program. Gen. Raymond to speak at commencement. 

Would be nice to see UND start collecting some non-competitive state and federal grants to boost what they are already bringing in.

[Teeder11]

6 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Would be nice to see UND start collecting some non-competitive state and federal grants to boost what they are already bringing in.

I see what you did there.

[nodakvindy]

UND needs to expand more into cold weather research.  Talk to the Twitter King and get some money poured into a research facility for electric cars.  If they can be made more viable in cold weather that is a huge additional market for Teslas.