geaux_sioux Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Is a program admired by the pros. Must be why everyone is injured. https://simplifaster.com/articles/benefits-olympic-weightlifting/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux95 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 On the flip side, here are some quotes from Mark Asanovich, a guy with extensive experience as a strength and conditioning coach in the NFL. 1) "The principle of specificity states that training/practice must BE SPECIFIC to an intended skill in order for skill improvement for carryover to occur. Specific means exact or identical, not similar or just like. Therefore, accelerating a bar from the floor or knee-height-position by a forceful rolling of the hips may somewhat assimilate driving off the line of scrimmage-but the truth of the matter is, Olympic lifting will only improve one's skills at Olympic lifting and nothing else."Discussing the false notion of using the quick lifts to develop better tacklers. 7) "The fact of the matter is that ballistic resistance training is unproven and/or unproductive at best, and potentially dangerous at worst (especially in prepubescent athletes). Ballistic resistance training, like any momentum-assisted movement, violates the most fundamental principle of strength development, that being, the Overload Principle."Discussing the risk vs benefits of ballistic training methods for traditional sport athletes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 If that link is directed at me because of the question I asked about strength and conditioning in another thread, let me just re-iterate what I said in my original post, it was an honest question because I don't know the answer to it. I've never been a part of a college football program at any level. But I am curious because injuries (and not just this season) seem to have haunted this program during the past decade. Also since the move to DI, it seems to me that our athletes on the field often don't "look the part" athletically or physically compared to the opposition. Whether that is recruiting, conditioning, or something else I don't know, but felt it was worth asking the question. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 47 minutes ago, bincitysioux said: If that link is directed at me because of the question I asked about strength and conditioning in another thread, let me just re-iterate what I said in my original post, it was an honest question because I don't know the answer to it. I've never been a part of a college football program at any level. But I am curious because injuries (and not just this season) seem to have haunted this program during the past decade. Also since the move to DI, it seems to me that our athletes on the field often don't "look the part" athletically or physically compared to the opposition. Whether that is recruiting, conditioning, or something else I don't know, but felt it was worth asking the question. It's a legit question. I like the strength coaches but our team has got its ass kicked the last two weeks. Out muscled and out manned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 4 hours ago, bincitysioux said: If that link is directed at me because of the question I asked about strength and conditioning in another thread, let me just re-iterate what I said in my original post, it was an honest question because I don't know the answer to it. I've never been a part of a college football program at any level. But I am curious because injuries (and not just this season) seem to have haunted this program during the past decade. Also since the move to DI, it seems to me that our athletes on the field often don't "look the part" athletically or physically compared to the opposition. Whether that is recruiting, conditioning, or something else I don't know, but felt it was worth asking the question. No it's not directed at you. It seems the natural reaction to a lot of injuries is to look at the SC coach/program. I would be if our injuries were a bunch of the same stuff but they're not. I don't agree with every single thing that Baukol preaches as a SC coach but I do think he is excellent and get results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 On 9/30/2017 at 12:30 AM, geaux_sioux said: No it's not directed at you. It seems the natural reaction to a lot of injuries is to look at the SC coach/program. I would be if our injuries were a bunch of the same stuff but they're not. I don't agree with every single thing that Baukol preaches as a SC coach but I do think he is excellent and get results. Statistics 101 If you have an injury or two, it's likely random chance. If you have 13+ injuries, that's perhaps enough of a sample size to reject the explanation of pure chance. There's an association somewhere with these injuries and it's possibly with strength and conditioning ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 17 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: Statistics 101 If you have an injury or two, it's likely random chance. If you have 13+ injuries, that's perhaps enough of a sample size to reject the explanation of pure chance. There's an association somewhere with these injuries and it's possibly with strength and conditioning ... I'd agree if it was a slew of ACLs or something else but it's not. It's OL getting rolled up on, guys getting their arms/hands crushed by helmets, and guys turning ankles/twisting knees. Since there are a ton of injuries but they're mostly different and most of them caused by contact there's no way you could point to SC as the issue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 21 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: Statistics 101 If you have an injury or two, it's likely random chance. If you have 13+ injuries, that's perhaps enough of a sample size to reject the explanation of pure chance. There's an association somewhere with these injuries and it's possibly with strength and conditioning ... And if we're talking statistics, your sample size would be the total roster and injuries would be a dependent variable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 10 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: I'd agree if it was a slew of ACLs or something else but it's not. It's OL getting rolled up on, guys getting their arms/hands crushed by helmets, and guys turning ankles/twisting knees. Since there are a ton of injuries but they're mostly different and most of them caused by contact there's no way you could point to SC as the issue. I don't think you can rule out strength and conditioning either. Everything needs to be evaluated right now. The team hasn't looked the part for the last 3-4 years and this years squad won't scare anyone getting off the bus on either side of the ball. Even the proven players are playing on skates this year. Getting beat up physically ties back to S&C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, homer said: I don't think you can rule out strength and conditioning either. Everything needs to be evaluated right now. The team hasn't looked the part for the last 3-4 years and this years squad won't scare anyone getting off the bus on either side of the ball. Even the proven players are playing on skates this year. Getting beat up physically ties back to S&C. Does NDSU need to re-evaluate their SC program? They have had a ton of injuries this year. Multiple ACLs too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: Does NDSU need to re-evaluate their SC program? They have had a ton of injuries this year. Multiple ACLs too. i would have to say if there is one coach on the hotseat other than rudy would be freund...the wr's are a total mess...some nice players but no gamebreakers after four years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 12 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: Does NDSU need to re-evaluate their SC program? They have had a ton of injuries this year. Multiple ACLs too. A ton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 11 minutes ago, homer said: A ton? An inordinate amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolna Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Listed as co-starting Left Tackle: Dillon Radunz- ACL Pre-season All American D-End: Greg Menard- ACL Starting MLB (had moved ahead of Matt Plank in depth chart after EWU game) Dan Marlette- Believed to be ACL 4th String RB: Demaris Purifoy- ACL Listed as 2nd String free safety, key special teams player: Jaxon Brown- Knee injury (will return, out 6-8 weeks, hurt season opener) Starting Weakside LB: Nick DeLuca- Meniscus (played this week) Starting TE: Jeff Illies- Sprained MCL (missed first two weeks) Starting FB: Brock Robbins- foot injury (missed 2 out of 4 games) Back-up QB: Cole Davis- separated shoulder (expected to miss 4 weeks) Starting MLB (hard to say his role when/if he comes back with Marlette out and DeLuca back): Matt Plank- ankle (missed last two weeks) 3rd String RB, kickoff returne: Ty Brooks- missed the last two weeks, injury undisclosed So that’s 11 that are or have been injured. I could be missing more too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tolna said: Dillon Radunz- ACL Greg Menard- ACL Dan Marlette- Believed to be ACL Demaris Purifoy- ACL Jaxon Brown- Knee injury (will return, out 6-8 weeks, hurt season opener) Nick DeLuca- Meniscus (played this week) Jeff Illies- Sprained MCL (missed first two weeks) Brock Robbins- foot injury (missed 2 out of 4 games) Cole Davis- separated shoulder (expected to miss 4 weeks) Matt Plank- ankle (missed last two weeks) Ty Brooks- missed the last two weeks, injury undisclosed So that’s 11 that are or have been injured. I could be missing more too. Could you edit this and add positions and place on the depth chart to put things into perspective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 14 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: i would have to say if there is one coach on the hotseat other than rudy would be freund...the wr's are a total mess...some nice players but no gamebreakers after four years. I don't know about that. 1. Who is our super stud WR? That's not on Freund. McKinnon reportedly could run past Holm, but of course, injured. 2. WR production goes as the OC goes. 3. Why isn't Fruend the QB coach anyway. 4. Deep balls......not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, gundy1124 said: I don't know about that. 1. Who is our super stud WR? That's not on Freund. McKinnon reportedly could run past Holm, but of course, injured. 2. WR production goes as the OC goes. 3. Why isn't Fruend the QB coach anyway. 4. Deep balls......not good. aren't position coaches responsible for recruiting that said position... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 How can this happen, going from conference favorite to being the doormat in last 15 days? Teams just don't implode this fast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, SIOUXFAN97 said: aren't position coaches responsible for recruiting that said position... Not really. Each coach has an area. I assume Fruend has a Wisconsin area and with his relationships in that area has to identify all position players that could perform at DI level, may or may not include a WR. I think the HC and recruiting coordinator, and all coaches really have input at year end on who and what the team needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, Tolna said: Dillon Radunz- ACL FR Starting LT Greg Menard- ACL Senior All American Starting DE Dan Marlette- Believed to be ACL JR LB Not sure if a starter or 2nd string Demaris Purifoy- ACL SO 4th String RB Jaxon Brown- Knee injury (will return, out 6-8 weeks, hurt season opener) SO FS second string I think Nick DeLuca- Meniscus (played this week) SR All American Starting LB - only missed a couple of games Jeff Illies- Sprained MCL (missed first two weeks) SR Starting TE Brock Robbins- foot injury (missed 2 out of 4 games) So Starting FB Cole Davis- separated shoulder (expected to miss 4 weeks) SR 2nd string QB Matt Plank- ankle (missed last two weeks) SR LB either starter or 2nd string Ty Brooks- missed the last two weeks, injury undisclosed SO 3rd string RB So that’s 11 that are or have been injured. I could be missing more too. Does this look about right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolna Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 11 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: Could you edit this and add positions and place on the depth chart to put things into perspective? Done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolna Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: Does this look about right? Yes sir. I think Eric Bachmeier might be hurt also. Not positive though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tolna said: Yes sir. I think Eric Bachmeier might be hurt also. Not positive though. So basically NDSU has had some !@#$ luck as well but the injuries are more spread out across the roster. Also, I don't think any position on NDSU's roster is/was as fragile as UND's MLB situation. Losing 5 players at that spot has killed us. The trickle-down effect has been hurting other positions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 10 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: So basically NDSU has had some !@#$ luck as well but the injuries are more spread out across the roster. Also, I don't think any position on NDSU's roster is/was as fragile as UND's MLB situation. Losing 5 players at that spot has killed us. The trickle-down effect has been hurting other positions. Have to find a way to deal with ILB mess or I am not sure we win another game. too important a position and affects the other so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 53 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: i would have to say if there is one coach on the hotseat other than rudy would be freund...the wr's are a total mess...some nice players but no gamebreakers after four years. Just stop. Where do these comments even come from? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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