The Sicatoka Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Siouxperfan7 said: Bison fans + Math = The chair of NDSU Math: Quote
North Dakota Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 On 1/29/2016 at 1:05 AM, 82SiouxGuy said: UND Student fees from https://und.edu/admissions/student-account-services/und-student-fees.cfm $569.98 per semester or $1,140 per year NDSU Student fees from https://www.ndsu.edu/admission/cost_tuition/cost/ $1,216 per year UNI Student fees from https://www.uni.edu/tuition/2015-2016-undergraduate-tuition-fees $1,169 per year USD Student fees from http://www.usd.edu/financial-affairs/business-office/tuition-and-fees/undergraduate $1,125.6 per 12 credits University support fee plus $520.80 per 12 credits for General Activity fee SDSU Student fees from https://www.sdstate.edu/admissions/financing/undergrad/cost/ $1,920 per year It appears that Hammersmith may be attempting to identify the amount of student fees that go to athletics (and I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the accuracy of the numbers put out by that USA Today annual report). These are the actual student fees as reported by each school's web site (with links to the pages for verification). It appears that NDSU students are already paying more in student fees overall than either UND or UNI, the Athletic Department just may not be getting as much. USD students seem to be getting the short end of the stick. I didn't post UNO's because they list every fee separately, but don't give enough explanation for all of them to know which need to be included for this discussion. Actually the fees listed above are only the mandatory fees. There are additional course and program fees. I would expect the mandatory fees to be relatively equal. Obviously there will be much different course and program fees depending on the program. Quote
Guy in Fargo Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Might want to compare apples to apples and add in the $376 in fees for technology/Connect ND that is included in the NDSU numbers, but not UNDs. Quote
UND1983 Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 7 minutes ago, Guy in Fargo said: Might want to compare apples to apples and add in the $376 in fees for technology/Connect ND that is included in the NDSU numbers, but not UNDs. Just signed up to post that? Sensitive issue in your world. Examples of costs supported by student fees include Student Government, Student Health, Bonds, Technology, Wellness, Memorial Union, Career Services, Substance Abuse Prevention Programming, Multicultural Student Services, Athletics, Student Success Center and the Judicial/Crisis Team. Is that the same "technology"? Quote
bison73 Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 5 hours ago, darell1976 said: Its for uh travel costs. Gotta get that oil change for the bus ride to places like Ft. Wayne State or Brookings College. Air vs Bus. Certain days of travel cost more on departure and return. Wanting to play more away games for baseball, softball in the early spring. Not to mention golf and outdoor track. Hotels and meal costs are rising constantly. Those are just a few. Quote
bison73 Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 5 hours ago, darell1976 said: Its for uh travel costs. Gotta get that oil change for the bus ride to places like Ft. Wayne State or Brookings College. I think we just played USC. Hardly a comparison to Brookings. Quote
Guy in Fargo Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 https://und.edu/admissions/student-account-services/tuition-rates.cfm Mandatory fees support costs that are associated with services, activities, facilities and infrastructure that support students outside the classroom. These mandatory fee amounts are included in the tuition costs listed above. UND Student Fees - $569.98 per semester (max) Technology Fee - $72 per semester (max) Connect ND Fees - $66 per semester (max) NDSA Fee - $0.36 per semester (max) Quote
lawkota Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Here's apples to apples: NDSU Tuition and mandatory fees - $7,978 UND Tuition and mandatory fees - $7,965 NDSU Basic Housing/Meals - $7,502 UND Basic Housing/Meals - $7,454 Both schools have program fees and course fees for different programs and classes. UND Students that want to go to men's hockey have to pay $10/game so that pushes the total cost up for those 2,000 or so students. Quote
UND1983 Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, bison73 said: Air vs Bus. Certain days of travel cost more on departure and return. Wanting to play more away games for baseball, softball in the early spring. Not to mention golf and outdoor track. Hotels and meal costs are rising constantly. Those are just a few. So all of the sudden this year they became too expensive deal with? Nothing has changed for NDSU. Same programs, same costs as every other college has to endure. Do they go up at times, yep. So does everyone elses. Once again - why this year? 1 minute ago, bison73 said: I think we just played USC. Hardly a comparison to Brookings. You played USC...in what? Quote
UND1983 Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, Guy in Fargo said: https://und.edu/admissions/student-account-services/tuition-rates.cfm Mandatory fees support costs that are associated with services, activities, facilities and infrastructure that support students outside the classroom. These mandatory fee amounts are included in the tuition costs listed above. UND Student Fees - $569.98 per semester (max) Technology Fee - $72 per semester (max) Connect ND Fees - $66 per semester (max) NDSA Fee - $0.36 per semester (max) So we are talking $708.36 for UND vs. $607.86 for NDSU? Quote
bison73 Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 19 minutes ago, UND1983 said: 19 minutes ago, UND1983 said: So all of the sudden this year they became too expensive deal with? Nothing has changed for NDSU. Same programs, same costs as every other college has to endure. Do they go up at times, yep. So does everyone elses. Once again - why this year? You played USC...in what? So all of the sudden this year they became too expensive deal with? Nothing has changed for NDSU. Same programs, same costs as every other college has to endure. Do they go up at times, yep. So does everyone elses. Once again - why this year? You played USC...in what? Quote As I said--wanting to add games. Leaving and returning on different days. As far as raising it this year//// Why not? We played USC in baseball or softball. We won one game from what I heard. Will check if it makes a difference to you. I was wrong it was Stanford in WSB. But FYI expenses change every year. Especially with travel. Here is the the preseason away shedule for WSB this year. It costs money to do this. Fri. 2/12/2016 University of Arkansas Austin, Texas L 4-8 Box Score Details Fri. 2/12/2016 University of North Carolina Austin, Texas L 0-9 (6 innings) Box Score Details Sat. 2/13/2016 University of Arkansas Austin, Texas W 7-2 Box Score Details Sat. 2/13/2016 University of North Carolina Austin, Texas W 5-2 Box Score Details Sun. 2/14/2016 University of Texas Austin, Texas L 2-3 Box Score Details Stanford Nike Invitational Fri. 2/19/2016 Saint Mary's College of California Stanford, Calif. W 5-1 Box Score Details Fri. 2/19/2016 Stanford University Stanford, Calif. W 9-1 (5 innings) Box Score Details Sat. 2/20/2016 Saint Mary's College of California Stanford, Calif. W 8-0 (5 innings) Box Score Details Sat. 2/20/2016 Long Beach State University Stanford, Calif. L 1-2 (8 innings) Box Score Details Sun. 2/21/2016 Long Beach State University Stanford, Calif. L 1-8 Box Score Details Louisville Red & Black Classic Sat. 2/27/2016 University of Louisville Louisville, Ky. 2 p.m. Details Sat. 2/27/2016 Kent State University Louisville, Ky. 4 p.m. Details Sun. 2/28/2016 Cleveland State University Louisville, Ky. 10 a.m. Details Sun. 2/28/2016 Kent State University Louisville, Ky. 12 p.m. Details Alabama Easton Crimson Classic Fri. 3/4/2016 DePaul University Tuscaloosa, Ala. 11 a.m. Details Fri. 3/4/2016 University of Alabama Tuscaloosa, Ala. 6 p.m. Details Sat. 3/5/2016 University of Alabama Tuscaloosa, Ala. 4 p.m. Details Sat. 3/5/2016 University of Louisiana at Monroe Tuscaloosa, Ala. 6 p.m. Details Sun. 3/6/2016 DePaul University Tuscaloosa, Ala. 11 a.m. Details Hawai'i Spring Fling Tournament Wed. 3/9/2016 Baylor University Honolulu, Hawaii 7:30 p.m. Details Thu. 3/10/2016 University of California Honolulu, Hawaii 7:30 p.m. Details Fri. 3/11/2016 Baylor University Honolulu, Hawaii 7:30 p.m. Details Fri. 3/11/2016 University of Hawaii Honolulu, Hawaii 10 p.m. Details Sat. 3/12/2016 University of California Honolulu, Hawaii 2 p.m. Details Sat. 3/12/2016 University of Hawaii Honolulu, Hawaii 6 p.m. Details Maryland Invitational Fri. 3/18/2016 Binghamton University College Park, Md. 1:15 p.m. Details Fri. 3/18/2016 University of Maryland College Park, Md. 5:45 p.m. Details Sat. 3/19/2016 University of Massachusetts College Park, Md. 10:15 a.m. Details Sat. 3/19/2016 Boston University College Park, Md. 12:30 p.m. Details Sun. 3/20/2016 Binghamton University College Park, Md. 12:30 p.m. Details Sat. 3/26/2016 Iowa State University Ames, Iowa 12 p.m. Details Sat. 3/26/2016 Iowa State University Ames, Iowa Quote
jdub27 Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 23 minutes ago, bison73 said: I was wrong it was Stanford in WSB. But FYI expenses change every year. Especially with travel. Here is the the preseason away shedule for WSB this year. It costs money to do this. Of course they change year to year depending on where/who you are playing, but they don't just randomly go from $1.4 million (budgeted) to just short of $4 million (projected) in 3 years. Also, the WSB gets travel offsets from the big schools to come play those games, they don't foot the whole bill. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 1 hour ago, bison73 said: I think we just played USC. Hardly a comparison to Brookings. What? What "we" you talking about? Surely not the Bison. North Dakota Baseball played Southern California. And UND won 2 of 3 in Los Angeles. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 47 minutes ago, bison73 said: I was wrong it was Stanford in WSB. But FYI expenses change every year. Especially with travel. Here is the the preseason away shedule for WSB this year. It costs money to do this. Oh yeah, the UND WSB schedule is far less travel ... not. http://www.undsports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13500&SPID=6392&SPSID=58593&DB_OEM_ID=13500 You're bailing water but the boat keeps sinkin'. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 21 minutes ago, jdub27 said: ... they don't just randomly go from $1.4 million (budgeted) to just short of $4 million (projected) in 3 years There's (as they say in the business) the money shot: NDSU told their students they had a five year plan, and came back for more in two years. Yes, the NDSU students should question what happened, what changed, or who flat out can't estimate and budget. Quote
darell1976 Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 1 hour ago, bison73 said: Air vs Bus. Certain days of travel cost more on departure and return. Wanting to play more away games for baseball, softball in the early spring. Not to mention golf and outdoor track. Hotels and meal costs are rising constantly. Those are just a few. But the SL is cheaper than the Big Sky since they can bus it to most of the teams (common Bison fan excuse not to join the BSC). So now travel expenses are a problem. When was the last time NDSU started the baseball/softball season at home and not a 20-30 game road trip? It happens every year to all teams up here. It's called winter and it messes with the baseball/softball schedule every year so that's why home games are roughly 2 months after opening day. Quote
bison73 Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 15 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Oh yeah, the UND WSB schedule is far less travel ... not. http://www.undsports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13500&SPID=6392&SPSID=58593&DB_OEM_ID=13500 You're bailing water but the boat keeps sinkin'. Not comparing NDSU to UND. No bailing needed. . Quote
bison73 Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 10 minutes ago, darell1976 said: But the SL is cheaper than the Big Sky since they can bus it to most of the teams. So now travel expenses are a problem. When was the last time NDSU started the baseball/softball season at home and not a 20-30 game road trip? It happens every year to all teams up here. It's called winter and it messes with the baseball/softball schedule every year so that's why home games are roughly 2 months after opening day. 20 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: There's (as they say in the business) the money shot: NDSU told their students they had a five year plan, and came back for more in two years. Yes, the NDSU students should question what happened, what changed, or who flat out can't estimate and budget. The student can challenge what ever they want. Not an issue with me. Asking for more money not an issue either. If its an issue with you fine.Thats your deal. Explanations were given. You dont want to believe it?? Then make something up to fit your narrative that you want. Its not like we didnt know you wouldnt pitch a fit about it. LOL Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 2 hours ago, North Dakota said: Actually the fees listed above are only the mandatory fees. There are additional course and program fees. I would expect the mandatory fees to be relatively equal. Obviously there will be much different course and program fees depending on the program. Of course those are just the mandatory fees. Each individual will be different because of their program and the choices they make. These numbers were posted because NDSU fans keep posting claims that UND student fees were higher than NDSU student fees, and that the student fee increase that NDSU is trying to implement is only going to bring the NDSU total up to the same range as UND. These NDSU claims are false, as is proven by comparing the rates shown on each school's individual web site. Quote
Jackie Treehorn Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 10 minutes ago, bison73 said: Its not like we didnt know you wouldnt pitch a fit about it. LOL Sorry to get off topic but...they teach triple negatives at NDSU? Haha, that is brutal bud. 1 Quote
Guy in Fargo Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 1 hour ago, UND1983 said: So we are talking $708.36 for UND vs. $607.86 for NDSU? Per semester. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 6 hours ago, Siouxperfan7 said: Bison fans + Math = It extends beyond the fans apparently. http://www.inforum.com/news/3947253-ndsus-64-million-budget-cut-plan-sent-system-office-has-just-one-line One line item saves having to do all that fancy cypherin'. Quote
jdub27 Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 1 hour ago, bison73 said: The student can challenge what ever they want. Not an issue with me. Asking for more money not an issue either. If its an issue with you fine.Thats your deal. Explanations were given. You dont want to believe it?? Then make something up to fit your narrative that you want. Its not like we didnt know you wouldnt pitch a fit about it. LOL The explanation were they didn't know their travel costs were going to almost triple but now they need more money 2 years into a 5 year deal. Real quality and in-depth. From the half-ass presentation and lack of actual explanations, it didn't look like the athletic department reps thought the students would pitch a fit about it either. Quote
bison73 Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 41 minutes ago, jdub27 said: The explanation were they didn't know their travel costs were going to almost triple but now they need more money 2 years into a 5 year deal. Real quality and in-depth. From the half-ass presentation and lack of actual explanations, it didn't look like the athletic department reps thought the students would pitch a fit about it either. Yeah that presentation was pretty !@#!$ and didnt further their cause one bit. Even though there is a lot going on behind the scenes they should have been better prepared. Quote
jdub27 Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 1 hour ago, bison73 said: Yeah that presentation was pretty !@#!$ and didnt further their cause one bit. Even though there is a lot going on behind the scenes they should have been better prepared. So your saying they asked for money but knowingly didn't disclose the actual reasons they need it? Quote
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