Two Deep Speculation

[iramurphy]

I'm thinking Bartels will be our starter simply because Mollberg won't be 100% by spring ball and really, Bartels was the better QB in the first place.    I agree with you on Studsrud, I don't think he's quite the boy wonder some people want him to be.   Maybe in time he'll get there, but it won't happen this year.

I agree that Studsrud hasn't shown he is ready but it isn't fair to judge based on last fall. I think Gundy is correct in predicting Studsrud over Bartels but that is more cuz the coaches seem to prefer his athleticism. I would choose Bartels until Studsrud shows he is ready. He needs to complete more than 33% of his passes for cripes sake and he needs to earn the starting job. With Mollberg out this spring he will have the opportunity. I would hate to lose Bartels. I understand he has a girlfriend which may help us keep him. I would love to watch film of last year with you so you could show me how Bartels was a better QB than Mollberg, It is really a moot point until Joe is healthy. There is no reason to think he won't be ready for summer workouts. In the meantime we are fortunate to have a guy with Bartels experience who has had some success. I understand Bubba's wish to run the ball but we also need to throw. If Mollberg is healthy I will wager he will be all conference before he is done.

[geaux_sioux]

I agree that Studsrud hasn't shown he is ready but it isn't fair to judge based on last fall. I think Gundy is correct in predicting Studsrud over Bartels but that is more cuz the coaches seem to prefer his athleticism. I would choose Bartels until Studsrud shows he is ready. He needs to complete more than 33% of his passes for cripes sake and he needs to earn the starting job. With Mollberg out this spring he will have the opportunity. I would hate to lose Bartels. I understand he has a girlfriend which may help us keep him. I would love to watch film of last year with you so you could show me how Bartels was a better QB than Mollberg, It is really a moot point until Joe is healthy. There is no reason to think he won't be ready for summer workouts. In the meantime we are fortunate to have a guy with Bartels experience who has had some success. I understand Bubba's wish to run the ball but we also need to throw. If Mollberg is healthy I will wager he will be all conference before he is done.

Joe was playing extremely well before he got hurt. The game he got a concussion in he was nearly perfect. He also led us on a wild comeback against #5 Montana. He's my guy if he's healthy.

[gundy1124]

I agree that Studsrud hasn't shown he is ready but it isn't fair to judge based on last fall. I think Gundy is correct in predicting Studsrud over Bartels but that is more cuz the coaches seem to prefer his athleticism. I would choose Bartels until Studsrud shows he is ready. He needs to complete more than 33% of his passes for cripes sake and he needs to earn the starting job. With Mollberg out this spring he will have the opportunity. I would hate to lose Bartels. I understand he has a girlfriend which may help us keep him. I would love to watch film of last year with you so you could show me how Bartels was a better QB than Mollberg, It is really a moot point until Joe is healthy. There is no reason to think he won't be ready for summer workouts. In the meantime we are fortunate to have a guy with Bartels experience who has had some success. I understand Bubba's wish to run the ball but we also need to throw. If Mollberg is healthy I will wager he will be all conference before he is done.

With 2 QBs dropping in one game......it would be nice to have them all competing in the fall.

Bartels has good leadership, a good arm, knows the Xs and Os the best, but really lacks mobility.

Joe has the intangibles and feels the game more than Bartels, and throws a sweet ball. But, he made some bad decisions.

Studsrud was thrown into a storm last year and all things considered, survived. He made one hellava play vrs. NAU. He is most athletic.

The answer to all this is...........is people are going to vary on their opinions. Should be a good spring game??

[geaux_sioux]

With 2 QBs dropping in one game......it would be nice to have them all competing in the fall.

Bartels has good leadership, a good arm, knows the Xs and Os the best, but really lacks mobility.

Joe has the intangibles and feels the game more than Bartels, and throws a sweet ball. But, he made some bad decisions.

Studsrud was thrown into a storm last year and all things considered, survived. He made one hellava play vrs. NAU. He is most athletic.

The answer to all this is...........is people are going to vary on their opinions. Should be a good spring game??

It will be outside at Memorial which will be kind of cool.

[Westside]

I want to be optimistic but there is just so much damn uncertainty every where. I can't remember the last time there were so many question marks on one side of the ball. If only we had the old fortune 500 offense with dressler and this defense....

You'd have to look all the way back to the 2014 season for that...

- 2 Sophomore QBs battling for the starting position, both of whom had struggles their freshman season.

- 1 WR w/ any playing experience returning & he missed the '13 season w/ an injury.

- An unproven O-Line that had injury problems in spring ball.  Started a juco transfer & former NG playing O-Line for the first time in college.

- A RB position group that consisted of 4, yes 4 players to start & finish the season... Only 1 had any significant game experience at UND.  Projected starter was a juco transfer, who's career ended in game 2.  Relied on a LB turned RB for a few games & a 170lb RB who admirably finished the season.

- Young TEs that weren't called on to catch the ball in the previous offense.

- True freshman at long snapper, kicker & punter, as well as holder... Remember the Montana game???

Oh, and a new coaching staff...

So, taking a trip down old memory lane, I'd say, at this point, the '15 offense is looking a little more stable than the '14 group.

[geaux_sioux]

You'd have to look all the way back to the 2014 season for that...

- 2 Sophomore QBs battling for the starting position, both of whom had struggles their freshman season.

- 1 WR w/ any playing experience returning & he missed the '13 season w/ an injury.

- An unproven O-Line that had injury problems in spring ball. Started a juco transfer & former NG playing O-Line for the first time in college.

- A RB position group that consisted of 4, yes 4 players to start & finish the season... Only 1 had any significant game experience at UND. Projected starter was a juco transfer, who's career ended in game 2. Relied on a LB turned RB for a few games & a 170lb RB who admirably finished the season.

- Young TEs that weren't called on to catch the ball in the previous offense.

- True freshman at long snapper, kicker & punter, as well as holder... Remember the Montana game???

Oh, and a new coaching staff...

So, taking a trip down old memory lane, I'd say, at this point, the '15 offense is looking a little more stable than the '14 group.

Don't forget the new scoreboards distracting the team with moving pictures

[jdub27]

It will be outside at Memorial which will be kind of cool.

Yeah but can I tailgate?

[geaux_sioux]

Yeah but can I tailgate?

Better be able to. If it's nice there will probably be a lot of students around for free food and drinks

[Sioux95]

I think either molberg or bartles can be effective for us. If we have some success running the ball, which I think we will, we don't need a quarterback to do a whole lot more than hand the ball off and make Good reads on the pass plays.I would really like to see studsrud red shirt next year. With the quarterbacks we brought in this year, I think it would be good to have him have a couple of years of eligibility left after Bartles and Moberg are done.

[gundy1124]

I want to be optimistic but there is just so much damn uncertainty every where. I can't remember the last time there were so many question marks on one side of the ball. If only we had the old fortune 500 offense with dressler and this defense....

You'd have to look all the way back to the 2014 season for that...

- 2 Sophomore QBs battling for the starting position, both of whom had struggles their freshman season.

- 1 WR w/ any playing experience returning & he missed the '13 season w/ an injury.

- An unproven O-Line that had injury problems in spring ball.  Started a juco transfer & former NG playing O-Line for the first time in college.

- A RB position group that consisted of 4, yes 4 players to start & finish the season... Only 1 had any significant game experience at UND.  Projected starter was a juco transfer, who's career ended in game 2.  Relied on a LB turned RB for a few games & a 170lb RB who admirably finished the season.

- Young TEs that weren't called on to catch the ball in the previous offense.

- True freshman at long snapper, kicker & punter, as well as holder... Remember the Montana game???

Oh, and a new coaching staff...

So, taking a trip down old memory lane, I'd say, at this point, the '15 offense is looking a little more stable than the '14 group.

You totally nailed it. We are far better off right now heading into 2015 than last year at this time. Overall team talent is up-

Not to poopoo on the seniors last year but with their departures what position group could you argue 2014 was at a level we can't surpass this year? The closest argument could be corners with Tillman gone. But, I will tell you we have a serious competition brewing at corner, including some height and talent coming in this fall. And when you consider Reyes with another year under his belt, Johnson impressing at the other safety spot I think you'll see a solid secondary this fall. Advantage 2015.

We need a QB to step up big time if we're going to make any type of run this fall.

[geaux_sioux]

The WR play should be 10x better next year. OL play should be solid from day one instead of being the number one weakness for the first half of the year.

[The Sicatoka]

Specialist...WR...blah-blah...RB...yadda-yadda...QB...wonk-wonk. <-- That's noise and chatter in case you don't "get it", and not the primary issue. 

 

Allow me to boil all of this down: 

Will our offensive line be more effective and productive at the start of this season than at the end of last season? 

 

If the answer is "yes", many of the QB and RB health and performance issues are taken care of by that alone. 

If the answer is "no", expect more of the QB and RB health and performance issues.

 

Now, also, if the answer is "yes", I'm comfortable asking the next question:

Will the defensive front seven be able to control opposing run games and be able to get pressure on the opposing QB within 3.5 seconds on passing plays? 

 

Please note the portion after the "and". Yes, the secondary still needs work (honk-honk... DB...yadda... <-- more noise), but, our secondary could be "Neon Deon", Rod Woodson, Ronnie Lott, and Paul Krause* and we'd still give up big chucks of passing yardage if we can't, as Bubba so quaintly puts it (paraphrased) 'Make the opposing QB the most uncomfortable person at the game, and his mother second most uncomfortable.' 

 

So that's my "Two Deep":

1. Is our offensive line better?

2. Is our defensive front better? 

 

That's two and that's all the deeper I need to get to know if it's going to get any better. 

 

 

*Went "old school purple" on y'all there. 

[bang]

Specialist...WR...blah-blah...RB...yadda-yadda...QB...wonk-wonk. <-- That's noise and chatter in case you don't "get it", and not the primary issue. 

 

Allow me to boil all of this down: 

Will our offensive line be more effective and productive at the start of this season than at the end of last season? 

 

If the answer is "yes", many of the QB and RB health and performance issues are taken care of by that alone. 

If the answer is "no", expect more of the QB and RB health and performance issues.

 

Now, also, if the answer is "yes", I'm comfortable asking the next question:

Will the defensive front seven be able to control opposing run games and be able to get pressure on the opposing QB within 3.5 seconds on passing plays? 

 

Please note the portion after the "and". Yes, the secondary still needs work (honk-honk... DB...yadda... <-- more noise), but, our secondary could be "Neon Deon", Rod Woodson, Ronnie Lott, and Paul Krause* and we'd still give up big chucks of passing yardage if we can't, as Bubba so quaintly puts it (paraphrased) 'Make the opposing QB the most uncomfortable person at the game, and his mother second most uncomfortable.' 

 

So that's my "Two Deep":

1. Is our offensive line better?

2. Is our defensive front better? 

 

That's two and that's all the deeper I need to get to know if it's going to get any better. 

 

 

*Went "old school purple" on y'all there. 

Sic, you must hold a political office. You just answered a question without making any statement and just asking another question. Good response though. I get it.

[siouxfan512]

Realistic odds for this team against Wyoming to start the season?

[UND-FB-FAN]

Realistic odds for this team against Wyoming to start the season?

Way too early. Let's see how the additions look in spring ball and then how the injury front and freshmen look at fall camp.

If everything comes together as expected, with maybe a few pleasant surprises, then UND will have a chance.

[UND-FB-FAN]

Specialist...WR...blah-blah...RB...yadda-yadda...QB...wonk-wonk. <-- That's noise and chatter in case you don't "get it", and not the primary issue.

Allow me to boil all of this down:

Will our offensive line be more effective and productive at the start of this season than at the end of last season?

If the answer is "yes", many of the QB and RB health and performance issues are taken care of by that alone.

If the answer is "no", expect more of the QB and RB health and performance issues.

Now, also, if the answer is "yes", I'm comfortable asking the next question:

Will the defensive front seven be able to control opposing run games and be able to get pressure on the opposing QB within 3.5 seconds on passing plays?

Please note the portion after the "and". Yes, the secondary still needs work (honk-honk... DB...yadda... <-- more noise), but, our secondary could be "Neon Deon", Rod Woodson, Ronnie Lott, and Paul Krause* and we'd still give up big chucks of passing yardage if we can't, as Bubba so quaintly puts it (paraphrased) 'Make the opposing QB the most uncomfortable person at the game, and his mother second most uncomfortable.'

So that's my "Two Deep":

1. Is our offensive line better?

2. Is our defensive front better?

That's two and that's all the deeper I need to get to know if it's going to get any better.

*Went "old school purple" on y'all there.

Spot on.

And from the optimistic side of things, I do think both offensive line and defensive front 7 will be improved. Both units return a lot of players from last year's group.

[The Sicatoka]

Sic, you must hold a political office. You just answered a question without making any statement and just asking another question. Good response though. I get it.

 

Hey, I'm not a "great football mind*", I just know when I watch football that the team that: 

 

- can't keep the opposing defense from running loose, wild, and free through the line of scrimmage into their backfield loses

- can keep their QB upright and looking down field for five second or more, wins. 

 

Don't believe me? Look at the success formula for the guys in yellow hats and pants from Fargo. As I've said, they don't do anything exceptional; they do the fundamentals, line of scrimmage play, exceptionally well. 

 

 

*© Paul Allen, Nine To Noon Show, KFAN

[bang]

Hey, I'm not a "great football mind*", I just know when I watch football that the team that:

- can't keep the opposing defense from running loose, wild, and free through the line of scrimmage into their backfield loses

- can keep their QB upright and looking down field for five second or more, wins.

Don't believe me? Look at the success formula for the guys in yellow hats and pants from Fargo. As I've said, they don't do anything exceptional; they do the fundamentals, line of scrimmage play, exceptionally well.

*© Paul Allen, Nine To Noon Show, KFAN

I along with most if not all the people on this forum agree with you. I think why geaux started this is to ask how and with who are we going to do this with. Emphasis on the with who. Bubba has already said how he wants to achieve a winning squad.

[geaux_sioux]

I along with most if not all the people on this forum agree with you. I think why geaux started this is to ask how and with who are we going to do this with. Emphasis on the with who. Bubba has already said how he wants to achieve a winning squad.

And to have something other than politics to talk about.

[The Sicatoka]

I along with most if not all the people on this forum agree with you. I think why geaux started this is to ask how and with who are we going to do this with. Emphasis on the with who. Bubba has already said how he wants to achieve a winning squad.

 

Yup. But I'd like to see the conversation start up front:

 

- Who'll take care of the blind side?

- Who can pull to seal an edge?

- Who'll give a consistent snap and still stalemate/push the opposing nose? 

[homer]

And to have something other than politics to talk about.

I must have missed the politics thread.

[bang]

Yup. But I'd like to see the conversation start up front:

- Who'll take care of the blind side?

- Who can pull to seal an edge?

- Who'll give a consistent snap and still stalemate/push the opposing nose?

I've given my crappy prediction. Who else wants to give one?

[geaux_sioux]

I must have missed the politics thread.

The recruiting advantage one has become dilapidated.

[homer]

The recruiting advantage one has become dilapidated.

I'd say that thread has more of a potential impact to how UND does things or should be doing things than discussing a hypothetical two deep in February.

[geaux_sioux]

I'd say that thread has more of a potential impact to how UND does things or should be doing things than discussing a hypothetical two deep in February.

Those dollars don't affect spring ball this year. Or next fall. Besides that's going to turn into the same old circle jerk. This on the other hand is so far free of bs.