Dave Berger Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 The Second-Half Surge: Math or Myth? Discuss. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I am a Bison fan(Finance Major)....and a Gopher hockey fan(Sky-U-Mah!), That said, UND consistently has churned out solid second half teams....think of it like a stock market. Trends are a real thing. UND is consistently a second half team....whether or not that is Hak's doing is up to the educated hockey folks. But as long as I can recollect...UND has been traditionally done well in the second half before crashing and burning in the national tourney. Whether that is because they run into a better team or a "hot goalie" or whatever is beyond me. I am not a hockey mind. I look at things from a trend perspective. UND may have been the best team in individual seasons in certain seasons throughout the past years....but hockey is a weird game from what I have gathered(I know very little about the game). They do tend to have a significantly better record the second half of the season. Data suggests that at some point they put their crap together....only to break your hearts(which I am more than content with). Go Bison Go Gophers JBND7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I am a Bison fan(Finance Major)....and a Gopher hockey fan(Sky-U-Mah!), That said, UND consistently has churned out solid second half teams....think of it like a stock market. Trends are a real thing. UND is consistently a second half team....whether or not that is Hak's doing is up to the educated hockey folks. But as long as I can recollect...UND has been traditionally done well in the second half before crashing and burning in the national tourney. Whether that is because they run into a better team or a "hot goalie" or whatever is beyond me. I am not a hockey mind. I look at things from a trend perspective. UND may have been the best team in individual seasons in certain seasons throughout the past years....but hockey is a weird game from what I have gathered(I know very little about the game). They do tend to have a significantly better record the second half of the season. Data suggests that at some point they put their crap together....only to break your hearts(which I am more than content with). Go Bison Go Gophers JBND7 And the gophers are a first half team. They tend to get a lot calls their way early in the season and eat up those power plays, as the year goes on the the refs start swallowing their whistles they tend to take their own second half slumber....only to crash and burn in the NCAA's (or before). Just my 2 cents. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigskyvikes Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Good stuff Dave, typical bison/goofer comment after, (which team is worse?). Spot on SCPA0305!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I dont have time to do a complete analysis, but it stands to reason that in 2006-2007 certainly, the difference was an uber-talented freshman class maturing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 10 years...same scenario. As frustrated as I, and couple other UND fans, get at the play early on every season one can't argue with the second half success. To quote the infamous gfhockey..."in hakk we trudtt"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Do the March stats include playoffs? If it does, we should have a pair of bottom dweller victories every March from the first round of the playoffs- well bottom dweller most years. I'd be interested in seeing the variation in opponent RPI during both periods. I'd also like to see how much variation there is if we flex the dates by say two weeks. There is a trend, my question is how durable, and can we make an intelligent deduction on causality. I'm starting to think that I'm talking to the analysts at work...the stock market reference really makes me scared...following trend and momentum voodoo is fine if you're a day trader, it is (along with huge leverage) very responsible for Lehman and the near economic collapse. Miss a variable in your model due to a poor understanding of true causality, and the formula flips and now you're on the backside of a bad leverage position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Berger Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 Do the March stats include playoffs? If it does, we should have a pair of bottom dweller victories every March from the first round of the playoffs- well bottom dweller most years. Yes, the March stats I used included all games played - end of the regular season, conference tournament, and regionals. I also broke things down by month, and November is by far the worst month record-wise: 35-36-6 (.494). Compare that with: October: 34-21-9 (.602) November: 35-36-6 (.494) December: 36-16-3 (.682) January: 47-23-9 (.652) February: 40-11-8 (.746) March: 60-16-5 (.772) And we all know about April. I wonder if the dip in November has to do with the first time through the conference schedule. Next week, I'll run the numbers for first half of league schedule vs. second half of league schedule to see if I can find something. That would eliminate most of the variance from non-conference games and the league playoffs. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I am a Bison fan....and a Gopher hockey fan(Sky-U-Mah!), JBND7 Ouch! Got the forehand AND backhand with the stupid stick. That sucks... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I am a Bison fan(Finance Major)....and a Gopher hockey fan(Sky-U-Mah!), That said, UND consistently has churned out solid second half teams....think of it like a stock market. Trends are a real thing. UND is consistently a second half team....whether or not that is Hak's doing is up to the educated hockey folks. But as long as I can recollect...UND has been traditionally done well in the second half before crashing and burning in the national tourney. Whether that is because they run into a better team or a "hot goalie" or whatever is beyond me. I am not a hockey mind. I look at things from a trend perspective. UND may have been the best team in individual seasons in certain seasons throughout the past years....but hockey is a weird game from what I have gathered(I know very little about the game). They do tend to have a significantly better record the second half of the season. Data suggests that at some point they put their crap together....only to break your hearts(which I am more than content with). Go Bison Go Gophers JBND7 Sky-U-Mah huh? Huge gopher fan then? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Sky-U-Mah huh? Huge gopher fan then? He is indeed. Rock...chalk...Gophers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 to be fair, I have two degrees from Carlson, and I wouldn't know ski from sky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Sky-U-Mah huh? Huge gopher fan then? If I see they are on tv, I might watch....if nothing else is on. He is indeed. Rock...chalk...Gophers! Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 He is indeed. Rock...chalk...Gophers! Absolutely. Groan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 You see, YaneA, we were poking fun at JohnboyND7 for being a Gopher "fan" but apparently not knowing the difference between "sky" and "ski" in the fight song. I was trying to be additionally amusing by using a popular saying in Kansas basketball, "rock...chalk...Jayhawk" and instead substituted "Gophers" for "Jayhawks". I apologize for losing you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxweet Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I am a Bison fan(Finance Major)....and a Gopher hockey fan(Sky-U-Mah!), That said, UND consistently has churned out solid second half teams....think of it like a stock market. Trends are a real thing. UND is consistently a second half team....whether or not that is Hak's doing is up to the educated hockey folks. But as long as I can recollect...UND has been traditionally done well in the second half before crashing and burning in the national tourney. Whether that is because they run into a better team or a "hot goalie" or whatever is beyond me. I am not a hockey mind. I look at things from a trend perspective. UND may have been the best team in individual seasons in certain seasons throughout the past years....but hockey is a weird game from what I have gathered(I know very little about the game). They do tend to have a significantly better record the second half of the season. Data suggests that at some point they put their crap together....only to break your hearts(which I am more than content with). Go Bison Go Gophers JBND7 off topic but what does sky-u-mah mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 off topic but what does ski-u-mah mean? Ironically, it's derived from a Sioux battle cry... edit: After doing a little more educating of myself, "Ski-u", is a Sioux non-verbal exclamation to celebrate something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choyt3 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 to be fair, I have two degrees from Carlson, and I wouldn't know ski from sky In your defense, you aren't claiming to be a "Gopher hockey fan", either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 In your defense, you aren't claiming to be a "Gopher hockey fan", either. Too smart for that! Go SIoux! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YaneA Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 You see, YaneA, we were poking fun at JohnboyND7 for being a Gopher "fan" but apparently not knowing the difference between "sky" and "ski" in the fight song. I was trying to be additionally amusing by using a popular saying in Kansas basketball, "rock...chalk...Jayhawk" and instead substituted "Gophers" for "Jayhawks". I apologize for losing you... Let's see if I've got this: Kansas is a state in the Midwest and basketball is a niche sport. Is that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 off topic but what does sky-u-mah mean? zero idea. zero motivation to figure it out and/or remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 zero idea. zero motivation to figure it out and/or remember. Roll Terd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Roll Terd. Hook-em Horns Bison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvHockey Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 From Wikipedia: Ski-U-Mah (pronounced sky-you-ma) is a slogan used at the University of Minnesota since 1894. U of M Rugby captain John Adams who coined the phrase in 1884, had heard Sioux boys yell "ski-yoo!" when they won canoe races on Lake Pepin. He took that as the Sioux word for victory, or exultation. A co-captain added the "mah" to make it rhyme with "rah" and created "Ski-U-Mah!" So it is yet another COPY of Sioux lore by Minnesota. In other words, petey 23 is correct: Roll Terd..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Hook-em Horns Bison Hey, NDSU did it first! Those University of Texas rip-off b*st*rds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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