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7 minutes ago, southpaw said:

It's settled then, UND should go FBS. 

It's that easy right? You just say you want to be FBS and it happens?

If Coastal and W Kentucky can do it, with far less resources at their disposal, so can we.  But you and others have been poo-pooing the idea since before this thread started as we are not worthy in your eyes.

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“There are some individuals who believe that there is something that’s going to happen at their university that is so spectacular at the next level that everyone is going to think so much more highly of them,” Fullerton said. “Quite frankly, if you look around over the last 10 years, there’s only been one school that has made the move successfully and made it consistently. That school is Boise State.

“And if you really looked at it, Boise State only made it in one sport.”

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On 11/20/2016 at 10:49 PM, SiouxVolley said:

If Coastal and W Kentucky can do it, with far less resources at their disposal, so can we.  But you and others have been poo-pooing the idea since before this thread started as we are not worthy in your eyes.

So what conference is UND going to be invited to?  Because without a conference invite, we end up living in FBS independent purgatory!  How'd that work out for Idaho?!!

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6 hours ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

So what conference is UND going to be invited to?  Because without a conference invite, we end up living in FBS independent purgatory!  How'd that work out for Idaho?!!

The WAC wants to bring back FBS and it can still make FBS invites.  The upper Big Sky should move to the WAC and the rest of the Big Sky should invite the football-less WAC schools.  Everyone is happy.  Idaho wouldn't be dropping if the Montanas, EWU, and UND went FBS with them.

 

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Chicago St appears to be a big hangup for the WAC / Big Sky reorganization.  Chicago St, which can't afford hot water for its dorms and had less than 100 freshman enrolled, is talking of starting a football team and joining the Pioneer League.  

The WAC Commissioner has said starting football is a priority for the WAC and this is just a political ploy for Chicago St to get some traction in the WAC.  The WAC can't reorganize as new schools dont want Chicago St in the WAC.  The WAC probably thought that Chicago St would declassify honorably, and now they might have to kick them out like the Slummit did.

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http://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/1/10/14225332/western-athletic-conference-expansion-wac-utah-valley-matthew-holland-interview

I expect UND will be one of the schools to move over to the WAC after the basketball season.  UVU, Bakersfield, Seattle, and GCU will in turn move the Big Sky.

The NCAA changed the rules expressly for the WAC to still allow it to invite teams to FBS.  The rule change (NCAA DI Bylaw 20.4.2.1.1 ) was changed and implemented on 8/1/11, which was after the WAC lost most of its FBS teams.  The change maintains the right of the WAC to still invite any school that in it to FBS.  Formerly, an FBS conference that hadnt returned to FBS status after a grace period lost its right to invite its teams to FBS.  Any FCS school in its region with FBS aspirations would be smart to change conference this spring, as it gives FBS potential to the school where few avenues existed before.  If the playoffs move to eight or more as expected in the next contract, team payouts could balloon much higher than $1 mill per G5 team.  As long as the WAC is again an FBS conference when the contract is again negotiated before 2025, it will be at the contract talks.

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8 minutes ago, FargoBison said:
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Just want to add that moving to an FBS potential conference is not politically feasible now, unless we're forced into it as a cost cutting measure.

Ah yes, look at all of the teams that moved to FBS in order to cut costs!

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On 11/20/2016 at 10:49 PM, SiouxVolley said:

If Coastal and W Kentucky can do it, with far less resources at their disposal, so can we.  But you and others have been poo-pooing the idea since before this thread started as we are not worthy in your eyes.

Anyone can go FBS, go ahead if you like.   If you can't pay coaches and do not have resources to compete, you might win 4 games a year.  Wheres the value in that?

 

 

 

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Allow me a simple posit:

Look at the MAC. Yes, the G5 FBS Mid-America Conference. 

Those schools have nothing on UND, NDSU, SDSU, USD, Montana, Montana State, Idaho. 

A MAC type conference is missing in the west. It used to be the WAC, before WAC football died. 

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2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Allow me a simple posit:

Look at the MAC. Yes, the G5 FBS Mid-America Conference. 

Those schools have nothing on UND, NDSU, SDSU, USD, Montana, Montana State, Idaho. 

A MAC type conference is missing in the west. It used to be the WAC, before WAC football died. 

Huge difference in the MAC and WAC.  

MAC Current football members: 12

MAC Former Football members: 8

WAC Former Football members: 27

The MAC has been stable since 1971, although some could argue 1952.

The WAC was stable from 67-99 when the MWC formed under rules that are no longer allowed by the NCAA.  You won't be seeing a new conference form in the east that is going to poach MAC teams unless the P5 completely breaks away.


 

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It's coming up on the time where I think there will be a slew of FCS conference reconfiguration announcements so thought this link would be informative.

Schools that go FBS see almost a 500 student enrollment increase for years after their FBS announcement,  even if they lose at FBS.  Schools that drop FBS see the opposite impact.  An FBS decision doesn't impact in state students, but it creates much more awareness for out of state ones.  UND needs more advertising in the Twin Cities and Wisconsin and some the best outreach is with FBS.  Going FBS would take money, but growth would follow.  Wichita St and UT-Arlington saw major enrollment drops when they dropped football.  Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, and UMass have seen increases.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2013/12/17/indirect-benefits-of-umass-football-moving-to-fbs/

 

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2 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

It's coming up on the time where I think there will be a slew of FCS conference reconfiguration announcements so thought this link would be informative.

Schools that go FBS see almost a 500 student enrollment increase for years after their FBS announcement,  even if they lose at FBS.  Schools that drop FBS see the opposite impact.  An FBS decision doesn't impact in state students, but it creates much more awareness for out of state ones.  UND needs more advertising in the Twin Cities and Wisconsin and some the best outreach is with FBS.  Going FBS would take money, but growth would follow.  Wichita St and UT-Arlington saw major enrollment drops when they dropped football.  Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, and UMass have seen increases.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2013/12/17/indirect-benefits-of-umass-football-moving-to-fbs/

 

Where would we come up with the money to move up? We just cut a bunch of sports to make ends meet. Also unless the g5 announces a playoff of its conferences there is ZERO interest of going FBS. Too many negatives at this point. A lot has to happen to even think about moving up. 

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