Matt Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Winning is always the issue. The only thing which really varies with any program's attendance is where the ceiling or floor is set. For some it's higher due to capacity, population, competition from other entertainment dollars, etc. Every AD knows what is above/below the mean. What we are seeing is in the toilet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airmail Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 To those that question whether attendance is based on winning and losing - I skipped the last home game because I wasn't enjoying UND football games at that point of the season. I went to every other home game this year but sat the last one out. I blow quite a bit of cash every year to go to these games for the sole purpose of having fun. When it isn't fun to attend, I sure as hell don't feel guilty about finding something better to do on any given Saturday. Do we have to be perfect? - of course not. I've watched more than my share of losses while cheering on UND football. But I, along with PLENTY of others, got sick of watching the train-wreck that is the 2013 football season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Everyone's choice on why they attend or don't attend. I attended because I thought the seniors deserved a send-off they signed on 4-5 years ago at the start of transitiion knowing the schedule was going to be brutal, I'm thinking Great West wasn't signed on yet so no chance for all conference honors when they signed, but they came and are now Sioux for life and they deserved to have someone cheering for them at their last home game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted November 19, 2013 Author Share Posted November 19, 2013 2013: Total Attendance (7 games) 58,501 Avg Attendance 8357 2012: Total Attendance (6 games) 53,770 Avg Attendance 8,962 2011: Total Attendance (6 games) 47,045 Avg Attendance 7,841 2010: Total Attendance (5 games) 40,771 Avg Attendance 8154 2009: Total Attendance (5 games) 42,696 Avg Attendance 8539 2008: Total Attendance (5 games) 50,837 Avg Attendance 10,167 2007: Total Attendance (6 games) 59,322 Avg Attendance 9887 (ranked #5 in DII) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 2013: Total Attendance (7 games) 58,501 Avg Attendance 8357 2012: Total Attendance (6 games) 53,770 Avg Attendance 8,962 2011: Total Attendance (6 games) 47,045 Avg Attendance 7,841 2010: Total Attendance (5 games) 40,771 Avg Attendance 8154 2009: Total Attendance (5 games) 42,696 Avg Attendance 8539 2008: Total Attendance (5 games) 50,837 Avg Attendance 10,167 2007: Total Attendance (6 games) 59,322 Avg Attendance 9887 (ranked #5 in DII) So what's your point Coach darrell? Those are merely statisitcs and don't mean anything... The fact that this season was the worst average attendance during the Muss era is because of the schedule and all those highly rated teams we had to play against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonadub Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 So what's your point Coach darrell? Those are merely statisitcs and don't mean anything... The fact that this season was the worst average attendance during the Muss era is because of the schedule and all those highly rated teams we had to play against. but it was the highest total attendance since 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingranch Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 attendance counts season tickets sold, actual buts in seat would look awfully dismal this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 but it was the highest total attendance since 2007. Due to the fact that it is the only season under Muss when we have had SEVEN home games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 attendance counts season tickets sold, actual buts in seat would look awfully dismal this year. Correct...my seats are counted in the attendance #s even when I/we didn't go...or could even give our tickets away this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonadub Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Due to the fact that it is the only season under Muss when we have had SEVEN home games. c'mon Oxbow, lighten up. You got your way, as did most of us on this board. didn't you see the ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-1 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 attendance counts season tickets sold, actual buts in seat would look awfully dismal this year. True, and it happens at every school. Even yours a few years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 c'mon Oxbow, lighten up. You got your way, as did most of us on this board. didn't you see the ? My bad...missed that. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted November 19, 2013 Author Share Posted November 19, 2013 So what's your point Coach darrell? Those are merely statisitcs and don't mean anything... The fact that this season was the worst average attendance during the Muss era is because of the schedule and all those highly rated teams we had to play against. Attendance doesn't mean anything, just a bunch of random numbers made up by the NCAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericpnelson Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Everyone's choice on why they attend or don't attend. I attended because I thought the seniors deserved a send-off they signed on 4-5 years ago at the start of transitiion knowing the schedule was going to be brutal, I'm thinking Great West wasn't signed on yet so no chance for all conference honors when they signed, but they came and are now Sioux for life and they deserved to have someone cheering for them at their last home game. Thought about it see Hardin play one last time, but I live in Williston now, went to 4 games... it's a long drive and expensive and the product was really really hard to watch in some of those games. Decided I'd go to a hockey weekend later instead with those resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airmail Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I think the total attendance and average attendance are misleading. They actually paint a much brighter picture than what really is happening. A much more telling stat is the actual attendance per game - and the fact that it dropped at an alarming rate as we progressively urinated the season down our legs. From undsports.com:Valpo 9269 (of note: we win, and next home game's attendance goes up)SDSU 10038 (of note: we lose, and next home game's attendance goes down)Montana 9726Mont. St. 8899E. Wash 7951Sac St. 6634N. CO 5984 Yes - winning, IMO, is directly proportional to attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I think the total attendance and average attendance are misleading. They actually paint a much brighter picture than what really is happening. A much more telling stat is the actual attendance per game - and the fact that it dropped at an alarming rate as we progressively urinated the season down our legs. From undsports.com:Valpo 9269 (of note: we win, and next home game's attendance goes up)SDSU 10038 (of note: we lose, and next home game's attendance goes down)Montana 9726Mont. St. 8899E. Wash 7951Sac St. 6634N. CO 5984 Yes - winning, IMO, is directly proportional to attendance. To me, the EWU number is the most telling, as it was homecoming. In the not-too-distant past, that crowd would generally always have been one of the two biggest of the season. As recently as 2009, homecoming was over 12,000. When you start crunching the numbers of how much more money could have been brought in this season with even modest success, you see how easily it could be to recoup the increased salary of the next coach and staff from additional ticket sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 2013: Total Attendance (7 games) 58,501 Avg Attendance 8357 2012: Total Attendance (6 games) 53,770 Avg Attendance 8,962 2011: Total Attendance (6 games) 47,045 Avg Attendance 7,841 2010: Total Attendance (5 games) 40,771 Avg Attendance 8154 2009: Total Attendance (5 games) 42,696 Avg Attendance 8539 2008: Total Attendance (5 games) 50,837 Avg Attendance 10,167 2007: Total Attendance (6 games) 59,322 Avg Attendance 9887 (ranked #5 in DII) I find it interesting that paid attendance in 2011 was less than it was this year. 2011 was Mussman's best year going 8-3 and winning the Great West. Of course the year prior in 2010, we were 3-8, and I think we can all agree that the 8-3 year in 2011 was somewhat surprising. Expectations were artificially high coming into this season, and therefore there was by all accounts a significant bump in season ticket sales which boosted the paid numbers. Obviously, actual attendance waned as the season unfolded. Don't know how many of those new tickets got used the latter part of the home schedule. Will a new coaching hire do enough to reinvigorate the fan base going into next year to rebuild attendance right away? Or will we continue to see crowds of 5,000-7,000 until the on-field results show a significant improvement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeAreNorthDakota Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Muss being gone is enough for me to decide to renew my tickets. I was pretty fed up with watching Muss's team but with a new coach I'll want every opportunity to see what kind of a difference he'll make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 It will be interesting just how big the decrease in season ticket holders for next year will be. A new hire will mitigate it, but there will be a drop IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I bet if we get the right guy in here that says the right things and looks the part and puts on a good showing over the winter and spring tickets may actually increase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted November 20, 2013 Author Share Posted November 20, 2013 I find it interesting that paid attendance in 2011 was less than it was this year. 2011 was Mussman's best year going 8-3 and winning the Great West. Of course the year prior in 2010, we were 3-8, and I think we can all agree that the 8-3 year in 2011 was somewhat surprising. 2011 we also played 3 non DI teams so that didn't help attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeAreNorthDakota Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I bet if we get the right guy in here that says the right things and looks the part and puts on a good showing over the winter and spring tickets may actually increase I could see that happening too. The right guy could absolutely put a buzz into the fanbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Agreed, but the year they went 8-3 attendance was no better and last year they had one of the most entertaining offensives in UND history and started out with a winning record before fading and home attendance was no better - perhaps we are destined to be in the top 50 for attendance and the best way to enjoy it is to stop comparing the program to others who have the luxury of being the only game in town. Thank God you are not holding Faison's job right now. I imagine Mussman would have received a lengthy contract extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I bet if we get the right guy in here that says the right things and looks the part and puts on a good showing over the winter and spring tickets may actually increase Unless God himself takes over this team there is no way the number of season ticket holders increase over last year. I will take wagers on this from anyone that feels like giving away their paycheck. This offer stands until the list of finalists is released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!! Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Unless God himself takes over this team there is no way the number of season ticket holders increase over last year. I will take wagers on this from anyone that feels like giving away their paycheck. This offer stands until the list of finalists is released. When UND brings in Tony Dungy you are going to lose this bet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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