Cratter Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Its obvious now. UND needs to push for only four teams making the tournament. It sounds like it will GREATLY increase their chances of winning one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Maybe the BTHC will be good for UND. They can get those blue chip, two season players. And UND will get those "old Ralph" recruits again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 There are more high end skaters playing college hockey now than there were even 10 years ago, let alone 30 years ago. That is "spreading the wealth" among teams and creating parity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 UND has a better chance of winning a championship if there was less high end skaters? The top programs are still getting their picks of who they want. UND just lost to Yale, which has less "high end skaters." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 There are more high end skaters playing college hockey now than there were even 10 years ago, let alone 30 years ago. That is "spreading the wealth" among teams and creating parity. Not disagreeing yet CHN just named Kristo POY and Knight 2nd team All-American and UND scored just 3 goals in 2 NCAA games. Something isn't adding up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Boston College has won three of the last five championships. Are we even sure there is more parity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Boston College has won three of the last five championships. Are we even sure there is more parity? And only 2 of Michigan's 9 titles occurred while most of us have been alive...does that make them any less of a national hockey power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 And only 2 of Michigan's 9 titles occurred while most of us have been alive...does that make them any less of a national hockey power? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Hmnnn...I guess we agree to disagree then because I still think of the Wolverines as a national power. You expect Michigan to be in the tournament...and they expect nothing less than that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Would you trade every trophy Hakstol got the last nine seasons for a National Championship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Hmnnn...I guess we agree to disagree then because I still think of the Wolverines as a national power. You expect Michigan to be in the tournament...and they expect nothing less too. Time was when Michigan feared us - I don't think they do any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Time was when Michigan feared us - I don't think they do any more REALLY? I didn't sense any fear at all that night in Yost in 1998... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagard Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 So it's way harder to win a championship now than when we last won one - I know it's a fact because many people say so, but hard to explain It is easy to explain. Probability. As a top four seed in the 12 team tourney your chances were: 50% x 50% x 50% = 12.5% likely to be the champ in a given season. Now you are: 50% x 50% x 50% x 50% = 6.25% likely to be the champ in a given season. Also the Sioux haven't had many breaks in regional seeding. Look at the Sioux run in '97. Beat a weak Cornell to make Frozen Four, whip CC who was third in the WCHA at best, then smoke BU whom you had destroyed earlier in the same season. Not having to play Mich or the Gophers was huge. Look at the Gophers run in '02. Beat a weak CC team to make the Frozen Four. Come home to Xcel to beat Mich and Maine. Caught both UND and BC in down years. Mich knocked off a great DU team in the regional. Yes there have been some easy paths, but far less likely. Explaining BC's awesomeness is far harder than the Sioux/Gophers futility since '03. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 It is easy to explain. Probability. As a top four seed in the 12 team tourney your chances were: 50% x 50% x 50% = 12.5% likely to be the champ in a given season. Now you are: 50% x 50% x 50% x 50% = 6.25% likely to be the champ in a given season. Also the Sioux haven't had many breaks in regional seeding. Look at the Sioux run in '97. Beat a weak Cornell to make Frozen Four, whip CC who was third in the WCHA at best, then smoke BU whom you had destroyed earlier in the same season. Not having to play Mich or the Gophers was huge. Look at the Gophers run in '02. Beat a weak CC team to make the Frozen Four. Come home to Xcel to beat Mich and Maine. Caught both UND and BC in down years. Mich knocked off a great DU team in the regional. Yes there have been some easy paths, but far less likely. Speaking of weak paths, how's we do with that opportunity this year? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Would you trade every trophy Hakstol got the last nine seasons for a National Championship? That depends on what the alternative is? Would North Dakota finish below .500 in 8 seasons and not make a single post-season WCHA Final Five or NCAA tournament and have 1 season of success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Does the chance of the gophers winning a men's basketball championship decrease if the field was expanded to 200? Well technically yes from .2% to .19% Michigan is looked upon, by me at least only, cause purely name recognition. When we play them I know they have the name and resources to compete with UND or anyone. Niagara could have more success in the tournament the last ten years and for right or for wrong I "wouldn't remember", too mme they get lumped with umass Lowell and the other not "historic" contenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 ...whip CC who was third in the WCHA at best, then smoke BU whom you had destroyed earlier in the same season. I don't recall UND having played BU that season...can you refresh my memory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Speaking of weak paths, how's we do with that opportunity this year? I'm not sure what weak path you're talking about this year. As of right now Yale is at #5 in the Pairwise and UND is at #11. They were close together in the Pairwise most of the end of the season. Before the conference tournament weekend it looked like both UND and Yale were going to end up as #2 seeds. Yale is a better team than you are willing to admit. There was a bigger group than normal this year that were all close in ability, Yale and UND were both in that group. The top 12 or so in the current Pairwise could have all potentially won the tournament this year, which is part of the reason that the Frozen Four is basically new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 It is easy to explain. Probability. So you are saying UND has a greater chance of winning a championship if only four teams made the tournament? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 ...they get lumped with umass Lowell and the other not "historic" contenders. So is Boston College a "historic" contender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 I don't recall UND having played BU that season...can you refresh my memory? Played them in December at the Ralph. I was there.....won Friday 6-4, Saturday was 2-2 tie. I have no life for remembering this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 That depends on what the alternative is? Would North Dakota finish below .500 in 8 seasons and not make a single post-season WCHA Final Five or NCAA tournament and have 1 season of success? No. Everything the same as its been. Just one game less of those titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Speaking of weak paths, how's we do with that opportunity this year? Whoa whoa whoa...FIRST Sioux fans are bitching about having to go thru the Gophers to get to the Frozen Four...and now we're talking about how EASY this region should have been? We're talking out of both sides of our mouth now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 I'm not sure what weak path you're talking about this year. As of right now Yale is at #5 in the Pairwise and UND is at #11. They were close together in the Pairwise most of the end of the season. Before the conference tournament weekend it looked like both UND and Yale were going to end up as #2 seeds. Yale is a better team than you are willing to admit. There was a bigger group than normal this year that were all close in ability, Yale and UND were both in that group. The top 12 or so in the current Pairwise could have all potentially won the tournament this year, which is part of the reason that the Frozen Four is basically new. The Gophers - number 2 seed in the country got knocked out and they were in our bracket - we got beat by the 4 seed. Our old nemesis BC is out too. Quinpinnac, St. Cloud, and UMass Lowell is as good as it is going to get. Time to get it done! Yale is only # 5 because they kicked our ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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