82SiouxGuy Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Thanks! I appreciate the clarification. Now if we can just figure out a way to start hosting NCAA playoff games again. That's simple, as soon as the nickname and logo are gone UND can qualify to host playoffs. It isn't rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I am simply supporting the majority of the sioux tribe who want to keep their believed to be honored name. Until that changes or goes away, I know how I will vote when it shows up on the ballot So you will be voting against the University of North Dakota, against the student-athletes that make up the teams, against the coaches that lead those teams, and against the ability for those teams to compete effectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 So you will be voting against the University of North Dakota, against the student-athletes that make up the teams, against the coaches that lead those teams, and against the ability for those teams to compete effectively. Nah, he's just a "fan" of the Sioux moniker. He doesn't give a damn about the school or its athletes, like a few others around here ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringneck28 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 If you are for the nickname you are against UND athletics. I really hope the supreme court lets the sbohe take over and lets end this once and for all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 If you are for the nickname you are against UND athletics. I really hope the supreme court lets the sbohe take over and lets end this once and for all. Totally agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewey Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Bahahaha! You really think the NC$$ cares about "bad publicity"? "Outside the Lines" interviewed Dean Blais about this issue years ago. The New York Times, of all places, regularly discusses this issue, and at least one of its columnists regularly excoriates the NC$$ for a variety of reasons. What's happened? Nothing. You think an interview with Frank Black Cloud representing some poor tribe in flyover country is going to change their minds? It can't hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luapsided Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 If thats what you just deciphered I applaud you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 It can't hurt. It might, depending on the angle taken in the piece. For instance, maybe they will also include interviews with opponents like Longie or Jesse Taken Alive or Tex Hall. Hall sure isn't afraid of a microphone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvinbe Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 That's simple, as soon as the nickname and logo are gone UND can qualify to host playoffs. It isn't rocket science. Yes, I know. I was being sarcastic. Jeez!! Let's all chill-out a little and be civil here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I should have said when SnottM freezes over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 It might, depending on the angle taken in the piece. For instance, maybe they will also include interviews with opponents like Longie or Jesse Taken Alive or Tex Hall. Hall sure isn't afraid of a microphone. Here's the transcript from the Blais episode. http://espn.go.com/page2/tvlistings/show50transcript.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Here's the transcript from the Blais episode. http://espn.go.com/p...transcript.html I wonder if Blais would change his opinion under the current conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I wonder if Blais would change his opinion under the current conditions. I'd think so. Blais seemed pretty pragmatic as a coach. But it would be interesting to hear his thinking today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I would love his thoughts to - but I think he knew Ralph pretty good & was very respectful of his wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I would love his thoughts to - but I think he knew Ralph pretty good & was very respectful of his wishes There are people that also knew Ralph that think he would look at the situation differently under the current conditions. He thanked UND for the education he received, and talked about how that helped him in his success. He very much loved the nickname, but he also loved the University and wouldn't want it damaged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 But he would of fought to the end to save the name 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 But he would of fought to the end to save the name The people I've talked to don't think he would have done anything to damage the University. So, if he thought that fighting to the end was going to do damage, he probably wouldn't have done that. I was told that he predicted what the NCAA was going to do and even tried to figure out a way to help UND prepare for the issue. They either couldn't or wouldn't do what he recommended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I will follow that up by saying the people I've talked to, while they knew Ralph pretty well, are not positive what his position would have been. They think they know, but they admit that they aren't positive. So I'm not sure how anyone that didn't know him could possibly know exactly what he would have said or done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 But he would of fought to the end to save the name Then, pray tell, why hasn't Betty Engelstad and the rest of her family came out in support of the nuclear option nickname only stance? I'll tell you why... Because they would rather see UND athletics compete at the highest level possible than keep the nickname and destroy the athletic department. It's a no-brainer. (For people with brains.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luapsided Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 The people I've talked to don't think he would have done anything to damage the University. So, if he thought that fighting to the end was going to do damage, he probably wouldn't have done that. I was told that he predicted what the NCAA was going to do and even tried to figure out a way to help UND prepare for the issue. They either couldn't or wouldn't do what he recommended. Well obviously those people don't know much as he said he would basically burn the building down before he'd change anything. Hence the billion sioux heads in it, but that news is ancient news now. Whether he would've decided to change the name but do nothing with The Ralph, thats a whole different argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Well obviously those people don't know much as he said he would basically burn the building down before he'd change anything. Hence the billion sioux heads in it, but that news is ancient news now. Whether he would've decided to change the name but do nothing with The Ralph, thats a whole different argument. I know the position he took during the construction, and the people I have talked to knew him during construction and after. He had a pretty good idea that he could get his way with UND and the state of North Dakota. But he also knew that if the NCAA got involved it would be a different story. My guess is that he would have worked hard to keep as much of the building as it is, but from my conversations I believe that he would have done what was needed for the school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGreyAnt41 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 But he would of fought to the end to save the name At what point will you accept that it is "the end", we've lost and that the name has to go? The rest of us have resigned ourselves to the fact that we've reached the end and it's time to move on from the nickname. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luapsided Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 At what point will you accept that it is "the end", we've lost and that the name has to go? The rest of us have resigned ourselves to the fact that we've reached the end and it's time to move on from the nickname. Once it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 It is not over - but would have been if UND Admin. had not been stopped - so let it play out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchmaker49 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Which is why I think he dreads this mess ending up in front of the North Dakota Supreme Court, especially when the weight of their own decisions favor the Board. He's created a constitutional crisis, and the final arbiters can't be glad-handed or browbeat in the halls of the capitol. I do hope voters remember this, or at least start a serious recall effort. I do not think he dreads it at all. He knew all along this is where it would end up, right where he wanted it to. Either he wins or loses his test case he still loses nothing. He is a sneaky little weasel to create this. I wonder if he had a consultation with Karl Rove the little turd blossom himself. Scott Hennen could have hooked him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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