Conference Realignments - Take 2

[SiouxVolley]

30 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Augie is a !@#!$ little school UND and the others shouldn't be associating with. Trade them out for any current bsc member. 

Just trust that Kennedy extracted some $ goodies from Denny to get his vote.  Augie would be a sore at SDSU’s and USD’s feet that will hang around and limit their potentials.  For UND, it’s not ideal but not a disaster if it doesn’t royally piss off Denver and Omaha.  A billionaire gets a lot of things to go his way with $ based skids.

[Siouxphan27]

I think its becoming abundantly clear there was no long range strategic plan for reshaping the summit/mvfc when UND decided to join; the decision to join was based solely on travel costs, and little to no thought was put into the potential pitfalls and risks the rudderless ship known as the summit provides.  

[SiouxVolley]

There is political movement to change the location of WIU from Macomb to Moline, as the Quad Cities lacks a four year public institution. For WIU to be a political football at its age and vastly declining enrollment is really telling.  Don’t count on WIU being stable.

https://qctimes.com/opinion/editorial/editorial-wiu-should-be-here/article_e0d657a5-9c25-5b3f-ba7d-026b32b6d2da.html

[SiouxVolley]

19 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

I think its becoming abundantly clear there was no long range strategic plan for reshaping the summit/mvfc when UND decided to join; the decision to join was based solely on travel costs, and little to no thought was put into the potential pitfalls and risks the rudderless ship known as the summit provides.  

Based on what exactly?  Your mind reading capabilities?

Certainly PUFW and WIU and even ORU’s conference futures are up in the air. but no President would risk losing an autobid if there wasn’t a long term plan.  An autobid is just the basics for maintaining DI status.

Kennedy had and has a plan, and even the Presidents before him.  It’s not just to cut cost either.

[Siouxphan27]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

Based on what exactly?  Your mind reading capabilities?

Certainly PUFW and WIU and even ORU’s conference futures are up in the air. but no President would risk losing an autobid if there wasn’t a long term plan.  An autobid is just the basics for maintaining DI status.

Kennedy had and has a plan, and even the Presidents before him.  It’s not just to cut cost either.

Based on reality, what’s happened/hasn’t happened, etc. 

[SiouxVolley]

7 hours ago, Siouxphan27 said:

Based on reality, what’s happened/hasn’t happened, etc. 

Like when Schafer canned baseball?  Thought that relayed that UND had no interest in propping up the Summit as it was.  As it turns out, UND went all in on a football sponsoring Summit.

[The Sicatoka]

12 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

This makes just as much sense: ... 

Except swapping out Seattle for EWU puts things to 8FB/12BB. That's sub-optimal for FB scheduling. You'd want 8 conference games and to only have to fill three non-conference slots. 

If Seattle U is your target, slot them in for Augie:

UND/NDSU, SDSU/USD, DU/Omaha, EWU/Idaho, MSU/Montana, Weber/Seattle --> 9FB/12BB. 

[The Sicatoka]

10 hours ago, Siouxphan27 said:

I think its becoming abundantly clear there was no long range strategic plan for reshaping the summit/mvfc when UND decided to join; the decision to join was based solely on travel costs, and little to no thought was put into the potential pitfalls and risks the rudderless ship known as the summit provides.  

When I can easily point out that departure of any one of four schools puts the Summit's BB autobids on the clock clearly puts your posit into the "harsh reality" category. 

If there is a larger plan, a strategic plan, that the Summit is executing it surely must be the best kept secret ever. 

If "Augie" is the strategic plan, some needs to rethink what strategy means. Grabbing Augie feels a lot like, well, ... this. 

[The Sicatoka]

10 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

There is political movement to change the location of WIU from Macomb to Moline, as the Quad Cities lacks a four year public institution. For WIU to be a political football at its age and vastly declining enrollment is really telling.  Don’t count on WIU being stable.

https://qctimes.com/opinion/editorial/editorial-wiu-should-be-here/article_e0d657a5-9c25-5b3f-ba7d-026b32b6d2da.html

Going slightly off topic, but this article and all of its references to not only WIU but SIU as well starts to make the case for more nimble and digital, less brick and mortar, college campuses. But in that world, college athletics become even more of a "why" and "do we really need this" aspect to the university: if there is no "campus", and the student body is spread across the internet, why is there a football stadium over there.  

[SiouxVolley]

5 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Except swapping out Seattle for EWU puts things to 8FB/12BB. That's sub-optimal for FB scheduling. You'd want 8 conference games and to only have to fill three non-conference slots. 

If Seattle U is your target, slot them in for Augie:

UND/NDSU, SDSU/USD, DU/Omaha, EWU/Idaho, MSU/Montana, Weber/Seattle --> 9FB/12BB. 

EWU just doesn’t have the budget or endowment to compete in the new Summit.  Hence, Chaves left for greener pastures.

An FBS league doesn’t have to happen, but if it does EWU can’t build an expanded stadium.  Never been in favor of Augie, but money has a way of talking.  UND could be in a position to gain $s and weaken the SD schools.

[SiouxVolley]

2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Going slightly off topic, but this article and all of its references to not only WIU but SIU as well starts to make the case for more nimble and digital, less brick and mortar, college campuses. But in that world, college athletics become even more of a "why" and "do we really need this" aspect to the university: if there is no "campus", and the student body is spread across the internet, why is there a football stadium over there.  

SIU-E is the clear winner of the Illinois regionals.  EIU, WIU and SIU are all losing enrollment institutions that don’t have degree programs that are in demand with good pay for a regional expensive system like Illinois has.  Even NIU needs to change.  The U of Illinois system and Illinois St are the only ones that make economics sense to enroll at other than SIU-E.  Illinois student are going outstate by the bucket loads as they and their parents have finally realized that.  Better to go to Iowa State or even Missouri St and an Illinois directional.

[UNDBIZ]

Just now, SiouxVolley said:

EWU just doesn’t have the budget or endowment to compete in the new Summit.  Hence, Chaves left for greener pastures.

An FBS league doesn’t have to happen, but if it does EWU can’t build an expanded stadium.  Never been in favor of Augie, but money has a way of talking.  UND could be in a position to gain $s and weaken the SD schools.

Augie doesn't have money either.  Their endowment is pitiful for a private school.  Augustana ($67 million) isn't anywhere near Denver ($711 million).  Oral Bob's endowment is also pathetic, but at least they have history.

[SiouxVolley]

1 minute ago, UNDBIZ said:

Augie doesn't have money either.  Their endowment is pitiful for a private school.  Augustana ($67 million) isn't anywhere near Denver ($711 million).  Oral Bob's endowment is also pathetic, but at least they have history.

Am suspecting that Denny will leave them a boat full.  Could be wrong, but Denny has already given small fortunes to USD and SDSU to build facilties.  An Augie med school has already been hinted at by him.

[The Sicatoka]

5 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

An Augie med school has already been hinted at by him.

Our friends in redtown would not be happy about that ... 

[Siouxphan27]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

Like when Schafer canned baseball?  Thought that relayed that UND had no interest in propping up the Summit as it was.  As it turns out, UND went all in on a football sponsoring Summit.

Nope.  It only relayed/reaffirmed that UND needed to cut costs and sports.  So they did.  No tea leaves, pixie dust, etc.    

[nodak651]

13 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Just trust that Kennedy extracted some $ goodies from Denny to get his vote.  Augie would be a sore at SDSU’s and USD’s feet that will hang around and limit their potentials.  For UND, it’s not ideal but not a disaster if it doesn’t royally piss off Denver and Omaha.  A billionaire gets a lot of things to go his way with $ based skids.

We want conference schools to get better, not worse.  A rising tide lifts all boats, or something like that.  We should wan't all of the schools in our conference to be winners, and the goal should be to compete with the MVC.  Welcoming a school like Augie, because it limits SDSU and USD's potential is ass backwards.  

And it's not worth it to sell out for a few bucks from Denny, which we won't get in the first place.

[SiouxVolley]

47 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

Nope.  It only relayed/reaffirmed that UND needed to cut costs and sports.  So they did.  No tea leaves, pixie dust, etc.    

Just like Kennedy cut swimming to reduce costs.  Or maybe he wanted to tear down Hyslop including the pool for a new STEM building?  But that entails a strategic plan which you say doesn’t exist.  Schafer’s and Kennedy’s cuts were probably more strategic that you ever will admit.

[Siouxphan27]

59 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Just like Kennedy cut swimming to reduce costs.  Or maybe he wanted to tear down Hyslop including the pool for a new STEM building?  But that entails a strategic plan which you say doesn’t exist.  Schafer’s and Kennedy’s cuts were probably more strategic that you ever will admit.

I'm not sure what a leaky old swimming pool has to do with an alleged top secret plan made a few years ago involving D2 Augustana, Montana, Montana State and others from the Big Sky joining the Summit.   

If some day after it all comes to fruition, there comes to light that there was a top secret plan kept vaulted for years that the best of the Big Sky were joining the Summit, but only once the Summit was screwed auto-bid wise and Augie joined up- at that time, i'll certainly admit and give props to the genius strategery of Kennedy and Schafer.   

[zonadub]

4 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Like when Schafer canned baseball?  Thought that relayed that UND had no interest in propping up the Summit as it was.  As it turns out, UND went all in on a football sponsoring Summit.

Cutting baseball set the stage so that women's ice hockey could be cut. That is why outside sources were not allowed to fund baseball. Needed Title IX balance.

[SiouxVolley]

3 hours ago, zonadub said:

Cutting baseball set the stage so that women's ice hockey could be cut. That is why outside sources were not allowed to fund baseball. Needed Title IX balance.

Fair enough.  WIH had to be cut for an eventual FBS gambit, and other cheaper women’s sports and scholarships would make up the Title IX balance.

[southpaw]

13 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Fair enough.  WIH had to be cut for an eventual FBS gambit, and other cheaper women’s sports and scholarships would make up the Title IX balance.

Or it had to be cut to meet the massive budget issues facing UND, both as an educational institution and as an athletic department.

[southpaw]

On 11/16/2018 at 5:12 AM, SiouxVolley said:

Based on what exactly?  Your mind reading capabilities?

"I read great minds, nobody reads minds like me. nobody!!!  I am the best at reading the minds."  - SiouxVolley

[Frozen4sioux]

Jeebus christ the absolute stupidity of even remotely thinking UND and FBS in the same thought is ridiculous....

to rant about it for 200 pages of digital diarrhea  is insanity.

[The Sicatoka]

Mike Houston is leaving FCS JMU for FBS (ConfUSA) Charlotte.
That's not a sign that JMU is jumping up any time soon. 

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

Mike Houston is leaving FCS JMU for FBS (ConfUSA) Charlotte.
That's not a sign that JMU is jumping up any time soon. 

Houston is from Franklin, NC, at almost the western tip.  Charlotte might be the closest FBS city.  Houston used to coach at Lenoir-Rhyne, a DII Lutheran school located not far from Charlotte.