Conference Realignments - Take 2

[moser53]

8 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Doug Burgum’s example of Arizona State’s massive enrollment via online is noticeable.  ASU has decreased its % of revenue from the state down to 9%, which Burgum seems to want ND U’s to do too.    UND is much more able to add more online students than say NDSU as those online courses already exist at UND.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/education/4428436-doug-burgum-touts-outside-funding-model-north-dakota-universities

Well one of the cheapest ways to advertise is by going FBS.  Just saying.

 

 

The people in ND who wanted or pushed for the separation of the top 2 universities in athletics are still there. The state like many states are controlled by a hand full of people. And the people who strive to get in a position of authority so they can achieve there goals are very driven and a lot of times very successful people. Don't think these people want the good old days. NDSU will at some point make the FBS move. Will it be before they have to play in GF or after? 

 

 

 

[Siouxphan27]

1 hour ago, moser53 said:

The people in ND who wanted or pushed for the separation of the top 2 universities in athletics are still there. The state like many states are controlled by a hand full of people. And the people who strive to get in a position of authority so they can achieve there goals are very driven and a lot of times very successful people. Don't think these people want the good old days. NDSU will at some point make the FBS move. Will it be before they have to play in GF or after? 

 

 

 

Wow, those must be some old people.  I wonder what their secret to longevity is?

[SiouxVolley]

New Augie AD Josh Morton talks about how a DI conversation is needed on campus.

http://www.kdlt.com/2018/04/06/augustana-introduces-new-athletic-director-josh-morton/

Believe Sanford may have already called in his cards at NDSU, SDSU, and USD, where he gave them major gifts.  If they  don’t vote Augie into the Summit, those schools won’t get any more gifts from Sanford.   Can hear the nuts cracking right now.

Sanford wants to take Sioux Falls to the next level.  He has already made it a major credit card city, has a major arena named after him, has lots of hospitals named after him and his next project is make Augie DI so Sioux Falls has a major college sports team.

[SiouxVolley]

8 hours ago, moser53 said:

The people in ND who wanted or pushed for the separation of the top 2 universities in athletics are still there. The state like many states are controlled by a hand full of people. And the people who strive to get in a position of authority so they can achieve there goals are very driven and a lot of times very successful people. Don't think these people want the good old days. NDSU will at some point make the FBS move. Will it be before they have to play in GF or after? 

 

NDSU has no choice but to be nice to UND now.  UND and the Montana’s and Idaho are its entry card into an FBS conference.

[moser53]

2 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

NDSU has no choice but to be nice to UND now.  UND and the Montana’s and Idaho are its entry card into an FBS conference.

UND controls it's own destiny? It hasn't since 1999 and you know it. UND went to the Summit to help the others. When SU moves up it'll be see ya wouldn't wanna be ya.

 

 

 

[SiouxVolley]

3 minutes ago, moser53 said:

UND controls it's own destiny? It hasn't since 1999 and you know it. UND went to the Summit to help the others. When SU moves up it'll be see ya wouldn't wanna be ya.

 

The Northern Sun would take NDSU.  Maybe the WAC.  That’s about it.  The MVC wouldn’t take such a deadbeat basketball school.

[moser53]

2 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

The Northern Sun would take NDSU.  Maybe the WAC.  That’s about it.  The MVC wouldn’t take such a deadbeat basketball school.

You made me laugh. Are you working on that 1000 employee GF based business?

[nodak651]

Surprised you two don't debate each other more often... 

[nodak651]

3 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

New Augie AD Josh Morton talks about how a DI conversation is needed on campus.

http://www.kdlt.com/2018/04/06/augustana-introduces-new-athletic-director-josh-morton/

Believe Sanford may have already called in his cards at NDSU, SDSU, and USD, where he gave them major gifts.  If they  don’t vote Augie into the Summit, those schools won’t get any more gifts from Sanford.   Can hear the nuts cracking right now.

Sanford wants to take Sioux Falls to the next level.  He has already made it a major credit card city, has a major arena named after him, has lots of hospitals named after him and his next project is make Augie DI so Sioux Falls has a major college sports team.

This is why you get so much grief.  HE DID NOT SAY THAT!!!!  He did not say the conversation was "NEEDED".  In response to a question about going D1, he said that its a great conversation to have with everybody.  Huge difference.

Stop putting words in peoples mouth and bending the truth.

[bison73]

4 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

NDSU has no choice but to be nice to UND now.  UND and the Montana’s and Idaho are its entry card into an FBS conference.

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, nodak651 said:

This is why you get so much grief.  HE DID NOT SAY THAT!!!!  He did not say the conversation was "NEEDED".  In response to a question about going D1, he said that its a great conversation to have with everybody.  Huge difference.

Stop putting words in peoples mouth and bending the truth.

This is so incredibly anal and myopic that can’t believe there is someone gullible enough to post it.

The correct response by an Augie administrator even if they are serious is to deny.

The Augie President, a former Congresswoman, didn’t even deny DI is not in the cards.  She simply said Augie has not talked to the Summit, but boosters have.  There are several videos out by Morton and the President answering questions about DI.  If there is a booster offering a school $100 million to go DI, that changes a lot.

If Sanford does get Augie votes in the Summit, would suspect that he would start pulling money from the three schools.  SDSU would lose out on their arena remodel, USD would lose out on their Dome remodel, and NDSU would not get any Sanford  help with an IPF.

UND could get the HPC finished without naming rights if they play their cards right.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

1 hour ago, bison73 said:

You are using my boat

[jdub27]

Augie would fall into the top 10 smallest D1 schools (less than 1,700). A big endowment is nice, but I'm not even sure at $100 million, the investment income is going to cover the increase they would need. Their athletic is currently around $10 million, which is inflated due to tuition being $31K/year. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

14 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Augie would fall into the top 10 smallest D1 schools (less than 1,700). A big endowment is nice, but I'm not even sure at $100 million, the investment income is going to cover the increase they would need. Their athletic is currently around $10 million, which is inflated due to tuition being $31K/year. 

you could make the same/similar case for half the schools in the sun belt and mac...

[JohnboyND7]

21 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

you could make the same/similar case for half the schools in the sun belt and mac...

Sun Belt/MAC do not have any super small schools.

Louisiana-Monroe(SunBelt) has 8,500.

Miami(MAC) has about 19,000.

 

[jdub27]

48 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

you could make the same/similar case for half the schools in the sun belt and mac...

None of those are close to being top 10 smallest in terms of enrollment. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

32 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

None of those are close to being top 10 smallest in terms of enrollment. 

meant the comparisons to encompass  the combo of enrollment, endowment, and athletic budgets.

[UNDBIZ]

Auggie endowment is garbage right now. Would move up to mediocre with another $100 million. This is in comparison to other Summit schools, not the good D1 schools. 

[moser53]

On April 7, 2018 at 11:27 PM, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

You are using my boat

Bison73 has it right. That ship has sailed.. As long as the current leaders are in control this is a situation that no longer can be changed. 

Only to be a fly on the wall. But not that it's hard to figure out. The big $ people in Fargo and Sioux Falls  want big time in there town. I don't have a problem with big dreams. I do with the process.

[SIOUXFAN97]

5 minutes ago, moser53 said:

Bison73 has it right. That ship has sailed.. As long as the current leaders are in control this is a situation that no longer can be changed. 

Only to be a fly on the wall. But not that it's hard to figure out. The big $ people in Fargo  want big time BIG 12 WRASSLIN' in there town. I don't have a problem with big dreams. I do with the process.

 

[jacksfan29]

On 4/7/2018 at 8:55 PM, SiouxVolley said:

This is so incredibly anal and myopic that can’t believe there is someone gullible enough to post it.

The correct response by an Augie administrator even if they are serious is to deny.

The Augie President, a former Congresswoman, didn’t even deny DI is not in the cards.  She simply said Augie has not talked to the Summit, but boosters have.  There are several videos out by Morton and the President answering questions about DI.  If there is a booster offering a school $100 million to go DI, that changes a lot.

If Sanford does get Augie votes in the Summit, would suspect that he would start pulling money from the three schools.  SDSU would lose out on their arena remodel, USD would lose out on their Dome remodel, and NDSU would not get any Sanford  help with an IPF.

UND could get the HPC finished without naming rights if they play their cards right.

Sanford isn't paying for the Frost renovation. Where do you get this stuff? The reason people rip on you is that you sit at your computer and make things up, then post them as fact. T Denny cares about one thing and one thing only. His name being on buildings. He could give a rats butt about what SDSU does in regards to Augustana. 

As for Augie. I suggest you listen to the interviews again. She didn't deny D1, she didn't confirm it. In fact, when hounded about the subject she stated, more then once. They will look into again (they did so 12 years ago and found it did not work) and make a decision based on facts. She stated very clearly that they are happy at D2, and that a lot of their boosters like Augie being D2 because they can compete. Translation, "we sucked in the old NCC and if we move up we could very well suck again". Which would kill their athletic department. 

Stop trying to push your agenda on other schools and administrators. Stop playing games with words and stop pretending you have any idea what is going on. 

[jacksfan29]

On 4/8/2018 at 2:09 PM, SIOUXFAN97 said:

meant the comparisons to encompass  the combo of enrollment, endowment, and athletic budgets.

The MAC and Sunbelt schools are public universities. All of whom receive funding from the state, all of whom are large enough to also draw from student fees. At least try to do some homework before posting. 

[jacksfan29]

On 4/8/2018 at 4:48 PM, UNDBIZ said:

Auggie endowment is garbage right now. Would move up to mediocre with another $100 million. This is in comparison to other Summit schools, not the good D1 schools. 

And they are not going to get $100 million handed to them by Sanford. If they do the noise around state of South Dakota would be deafening. It would be a PR nightmare. My guess is they give them something to kick start a capital campaign that, from my understanding, includes a target of increasing the student body to 3,000 by 2030. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 hour ago, jacksfan29 said:

The MAC and Sunbelt schools are public universities. All of whom receive funding from the state, all of whom are large enough to also draw from student fees. At least try to do some homework before posting. 

once again meant comparison between schools in the mac and sun belt v the big 5 conferences...it aint even close yet they moved up...nothing is keeping augie from moving up to d1..not is class sizw, not its endowment, not it athletic budget...a 100 million plus donation from denny would even it out quite a bit bt the sodak BIG3

[UNDBIZ]

15 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

once again meant comparison between schools in the mac and sun belt v the big 5 conferences...it aint even close yet they moved up...nothing is keeping augie from moving up to d1..not is class sizw, not its endowment, not it athletic budget...a 100 million plus donation from denny would even it out quite a bit bt the sodak BIG3

Auggie isn't small and crappy compared to just the P5 and G5. It's small and crappy compared to the rest of the summit, the schools you're suggesting allow it to join them. Its enrollment is minuscule, it receives no state appropriation, and it doesn't have a legitimate endowment to make up for it. It has no business even being discussed as a potential summit member.