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Which are being pushed by the No Nickname and Sun Dog camps...for different reasons. Politics make strange bedfellows and this is another example of that.

Oh, I figured your name was about our conference (Big Sky) and the Minnesota Vikings. And I think it makes sense.

I would call it like this: 10% really sincerely mean no nickname and won't use the old name 85% want no nickname so they can de facto the old one into the void 5% want no nickname because they believe they can get the old one back some day

I remember before the name and logo were retired, a good number of people on here wanted to just keep the name and logo and "live with" the sanctions because they didn't impact hockey all that much. I believe some of those are the same people that are saying the legal settlement doesn't require us to pick a new nickname, when it is clearly stated within the document that the North Dakota Attorney General signed on behalf of the SBHE and UND.

When have I ever questioned your loyalty? The only person I called out for that was that letter to the Heraldo last week who said he was pulling all support for UND. You are loyal, I am loyal and a good 95% of the posters on this forum are loyal (except for the Rodent and FU trolls). But this idea that this whole issue will go away if we just remain "North Dakota" is pure wishful thinking. And the response I get for daring to say that is "When are you changing your username?" I know others have questioned your username and that is just as wrong. All I really want is to resolve this issue and get back to the business of building a solid, across the board, Division I athletic program. Ten years of fighting this war is enough.

I suppose some of you think the NCAA Sanctions List itself is nothing more than a "scare tactic" and that it wouldn't hurt us at all if we went back to the old name and logo and voluntarily went back on the naughty list? Then please explain why all but one school (Alcorn St.) did what they had to do to get off that list? And Alcorn St. should have an asterisk since they are bad in almost every sport anyway and sanctions don't affect them all that much. Because being on the naughty list has real and tangible consequences that make it harder to recruit and retain top notch athletes. But if you simply choose to not believe that, go right on ahead.

I have no problem arguing points with people. But I think questioning people's loyalty to the institution or the teams based on this or other issues is just crossing a line that should not be crossed. And I for one won't stand for it.

I am thinking his arm is nice and fresh from not playing for the first 80 games.

If you mean the group that will support UND no matter what, yes.

To quote George H.W. Bush: "Not gonna happen. Wouldn't be prudent."

You realize that going with "North Dakota" virtually ensures that this whole circus will be repeated in a couple of years?

The many are the people that will support UND no matter how this whole thing shakes out. The few are the people that will disown UND and their association with it if they don't get "North Dakota".

Whoa, you really wounded me there (not).

Good point. I just want what is best for UND.

A run-off? I like it.

Okay, that is fair enough. I am just angry about that letter in the Heraldo this morning that disowned UND over this. That was a bridge too far for me.

"Green and White" is my least favorite substitute.

This is the guy that set me off this morning. But apparently to some people on here, I am the bad guy and this gentleman is some sort of tragic hero. If I have to wear the black hat on this, so be it.

Really Mr. Moral High Ground? And the rest of us did? Let me clue you into something that has apparently gone straight over your head or bounced off of it without penetrating your thick skull: All of us in the Fighting Sioux family fought the good fight on this. We fought for years (almost 10) to preserve and protect this iconic name and logo. But the cards were stacked against us from the start and it just didn't work out. We didn't quit, we lost. In life, you will win and lose battles. There is no shame in losing, just in not trying or quitting prematurely. We didn't quit too soon, we lost. I can sleep at night knowing that. And I do.

When people disregard the health and vitality of an institution I love, yes, I will get angry. And a new name won't be a "lie". Where do you get that logic?

Classic Ignorance.

I am keeping the username as a tribute to a name and logo that I loved very much and always will love. If you don't understand that, then you are the one with the problem.

If it's all about trademarking, then Fighting Hawks needs to be eliminated too. I call B.S., this is about the PC police getting rid of Roughriders. Not to mention the supporters of Sun Dogs.

Actually, that is how the Fighting Sioux Forever crowd is acting.

Yeah, I like Star Trek...and Star Wars. That doesn't mean the quote doesn't have some truth to it.