Standing Rock/Spirit Lake

[Oxbow6]

Found the time and went through all my posts and NO WHERE do I use the word "ALL" to make my point. I don't call anyone a racist. I posted, "This thread is sounding very racist to this member."

Who's posting with a broad brush?

Sorry...You did you use ALL but not in the way I perceived. Thought you lent me the brush?? But with the weekend over I'll return it...

[Teeder11]

Anyone (besides PCM, who asked the question of me) wondering why there was no prior media attention or notice to a Standing Rock vote on the moniker?

Does that seem strange to anyone else? Shouldn't a vote like that be on an open records agenda? Wouldn't you expect that all voting members would have attended such an important meeting?

Where's the Fargo Forum or the GF Herald digging into history of key players of this (like they did with a state district judge)?

The Herald never dug into Jahke's history. They didn't run the story. Jacobs is on record saying the Herald never would have pursued a story like that. That was totally the Foolum's doing.... Just a clarification.

[Sioux-cia]

Sorry...You did you use ALL but not in the way I perceived. Thought you lent me the brush?? But with the weekend over I'll return it...

Guess I missed where I "... continually use the word "ALL" .." to make my point when I reviewed my posts. Which post #'s were they?

[Northcountry]

Indian nations are autonomous, so they operate under their own jurisdictional decree. They don't need to tell us anything, outside of the fact that they resent us, UND, using their name.

I think that "sovereign" is the term they prefer to use, and is a term that UND or the State of North Dakota no longer have the right to use since the agreement with the NCAA turned our sovereignty over to the Sioux tribes and the NCAA. And I always thought it would be the Federal Government that would eliminate state's rights.

[iramurphy]

Heard an interesting rumor over the weekend that Ron His Horse is Smarter Than He Is has been using his influence as Tribal Chair to let others know that he expects them to get in line behind him and the opposition to the name. Favors, $$, and political appointments are at stake. It isn't unusual for tribal governments to award jobs and favors to family and friends, so this isn't a surprise that he would do this. (our government officials do similar things depending on where you live and the level of government) Combined with the rhetoric coming from the anti-name activists their case will likely only get stronger.

I don't see them changing anything and most people on the rez who support the name won't get any direct benefit from it keeping the name, so wouldn't be willing to oppose him and his cronies.

Rumor is probably correct but can't verify. (I guess similar to the so called racist incidents on campus the opposition keeps talking about).

[mksioux]

Heard an interesting rumor over the weekend that Ron His Horse is Smarter Than He Is has been using his influence as Tribal Chair to let others know that he expects them to get in line behind him and the opposition to the name. Favors, $$, and political appointments are at stake. It isn't unusual for tribal governments to award jobs and favors to family and friends, so this isn't a surprise that he would do this. (our government officials do similar things depending on where you live and the level of government) Combined with the rhetoric coming from the anti-name activists their case will likely only get stronger.

I don't see them changing anything and most people on the rez who support the name won't get any direct benefit from it keeping the name, so wouldn't be willing to oppose him and his cronies.

Rumor is probably correct but can't verify. (I guess similar to the so called racist incidents on campus the opposition keeps talking about).

I think it's pretty much a given that the upcoming "government to government" negotiations serve only as political cover for changing the nickname. With this kind of environment at Standing Rock, I doubt anyone seriously thinks a deal will be worked out.

[Stromer]

Heard an interesting rumor over the weekend that Ron His Horse is Smarter Than He Is has been using his influence as Tribal Chair to let others know that he expects them to get in line behind him and the opposition to the name. Favors, $$, and political appointments are at stake. It isn't unusual for tribal governments to award jobs and favors to family and friends, so this isn't a surprise that he would do this. (our government officials do similar things depending on where you live and the level of government) Combined with the rhetoric coming from the anti-name activists their case will likely only get stronger.

I don't see them changing anything and most people on the rez who support the name won't get any direct benefit from it keeping the name, so wouldn't be willing to oppose him and his cronies.

Rumor is probably correct but can't verify. (I guess similar to the so called racist incidents on campus the opposition keeps talking about).

Would not surprise me. I don't know much about the Standing Rock Rez but I hear quite a bit out of Spirit Lake and from what I hear, they might as well have the mafia in charge out there.

[Chewey]

There should be a boycott of their casinos, in my opinion. They get most or all of their revenue from ND residents. There may be a few SD residents with the Prairie Winds Casino and some Canadians with the Spirit Lake Tribe's casino but any ND person ought to stay clear away and go to New Town or Belcourt or Mahnomen, MN. The per capita paid out from casino revenues is the tribe's until it is paid out to the tribal members. The powers that be on the tribal council can really mess with someone they don't like (or who opposes them) by not paying per capita or by paying greatly reduced per capita. They are not supposed to do this and there is recourse that can be had against them for doing it but it happens all the time anyway. It happens here in MN with the Lower and Upper Sioux tribes so I'm sure it happens in ND. I'm sure RHHIThunder and cohorts have made it known that anyone who opposes them will have their per capita at risk. I say wait the 3 years out. Perhaps new tribal leadership will change things.

[Chief Illiniwek Supporter]

Heard an interesting rumor over the weekend that Ron His Horse is Smarter Than He Is has been using his influence as Tribal Chair to let others know that he expects them to get in line behind him and the opposition to the name. Favors, $$, and political appointments are at stake.

(emphasis mine)

So, could someone say that the tribal leader is threatening someone with harm over their viewpoint on the nickname?

It isn't unusual for tribal governments to award jobs and favors to family and friends, so this isn't a surprise that he would do this. (our government officials do similar things depending on where you live and the level of government)

(again, emphasis mine)

Glad this was added.

My point is not about whether its right or wrong, but rather the idea that this is nothing more than politics as usual. As is any discussion about the budget priorities of the University of North Dakota.

[Fetch]

Saw this today

State university Chancellor Bill Goetz indicates he would support retiring the UND nickname in less than three years if the school and Sioux tribes cannot agree to continue it. Goetz says he'll be involved in organizing meetings with education officials and the tribes. He says he'd like to see a resolution "sooner rather than later." (AP)

[Siouxmama]

Saw this today

I'd like to see a resolution sooner than later too. I think having it come later, is just UND hanging out on the clothesline, waiting for the tribes to decide that we cant use it anyway.

I have no faith in Spirit Lake as long as Myra Pearson is the Chairperson.

[Godsmack]

I'd like to see a resolution sooner than later too. I think having it come later, is just UND hanging out on the clothesline, waiting for the tribes to decide that we cant use it anyway.

I have no faith in Spirit Lake as long as Myra Pearson is the Chairperson.

Ditto. I love the Fighting Sioux name, logo and winning tradition but I am at the point where I don't want the University held hostage by the threat of one or both tribes changing their minds down the road. I hope I don't get ripped on too bad but I like the name Rough Riders and its reference to something unique to North Dakota and Teddy Roosevelt.

[Sioux-cia]

I hope I don't get ripped on too bad but I like the name Rough Riders and its reference to something unique to North Dakota and Teddy Roosevelt.

Sorry, as the mother of two GF Central graduates, I can not see myself cheering for the Rough Riders.

[SportsDoc]

Sorry, as the mother of two GF Central graduates, I can not see myself cheering for the Rough Riders.

So you're voting for Redskins, then!

[Sioux-cia]

So you're voting for Redskins, then!

Well , I already own the tee-shirt..........

[happy]

Well put!!! I wonder if policy makers in Washington have ever considered doing away with reservations as assimilation would clearly be a better alternative to what there has been since the reservations were first created. I also want to reitterate the point made about how through this settlement, the white elitists at NCAA headquarters have no transferred the responsibility of dropping the name onto the NA tribes, which is clearly not fair to the NA's. Should the name be dropped, I don't think retribution is a reasonable way to go although I fully understand how some here would be upset. Again, I just don't think we should try to "buy" anyone's support as then we're not really getting their true support for the name in the first place.

As far as I know, the original plan back in the early part of last century, was to make the Indians American citizens, and then get rid of the reservations. One article I read on the subject claimed that this was Congress's plan, however after the Indians were given American citizenship, the reservations were not eliminated for various reasons. (one being an idea that the reservations were a good experiment in North American communism). Now, due to the casino profits, the reservations will never be eliminated.

[The Sicatoka]

Sorry, as the mother of two GF Central graduates, I can not see myself cheering for the Rough Riders.

Tell GF Red River HS to take up PCM's "Ragin' Reds" idea.

[PCM]

All I could say when I read this in today's GF Herald was: Wow!

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[Chewey]

All I could say when I read this in today's GF Herald was: Wow!

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[dagies]

I don't know if it will do any good but it is sure nice to see a viewpoint from within in support of the nickname in a public forum. We know the support exists, but it's nice to see it come out in public in contrast to the the Nick Coleman's of the world who get away with writing whatever they feel like. And I mean "feel", not "know".

[Sioux-cia]

Is this issue really as life-altering as some make it, or is it something else? ...a reason to drop out of school because a student's grades aren't up to par;

[Let'sGoHawks!]

I thought the same thing. GrahamKracker, I know you are reading this. Hello! Not everyone gets a shout out in the GF Herald. Nice work.

[Goon]

All I could say when I read this in today's GF Herald was: Wow!

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[Goon]

I thought the same thing. GrahamKracker, I know you are reading this. Hello! Not everyone gets a shout out in the GF Herald. Nice work.

I was woundering about him he hasn't surface under any other names and I haven't seen his my space as of late.

[Sioux-cia]

Most likely, he's skulking under a rock somewhere.