Retaliation? or cheap shot?

[Goon]

If Paukovich's hit on Oshie would have ended T.J.'s season or career, would Prpich's stunt have been worth it?

First off, Paukovich is a piece of ****. He brought nothing to Team USA in the World Jr.'s and he's a walking law suit as a defendant dressed in a DU jersey.

The thing that really irks me is the swart @$$ grin he always has on his face all of the time. Paukovich just looks like a smug punk. You just want to lean over the boards and cuff him one. I like how he is always going after the smaller skilled players, I am surprised he even took a run at Finley, who is one big dude. I can

[HockeyMom]

If Paukovich's hit on Oshie would have ended T.J.'s season or career, would Prpich's stunt have been worth it?

If Pauko would have ended TJ's career, he would have had to answer to HockeyMom.

[Yttrium]

I agree that Paukovich is a goon, thug, cheap-shot artist... whatever term you want to use. But, I'm sorry, this post was just way too over the top. Comparing dirty play in a hockey game to literally killing people? Let's try to keep this in perspective, please.

[Sioux-cia]

What criteria is used to send a film copy of what is believed to be an aggregious act by a hockey player to the NCAA? Is it the Coach's responsibility? Given the poor reffing this past week end, I don't think they are the one's to turn to for justice.

I respect Hak as a coach and wonder what, if anything, he plans to do about the Punk's take down of TJ. Unless the coach's or those in authority do something about the punk's playing hockey, and their own coaches do nothing to reign them in, they will continue to do what we saw the Punk do to TJ.

[PCM]

And we have no clue if the two were related.

Sorry, but I disagee. I think we have every reason to believe the two incidents were related.

[PCM]

First off, Paukovich is a piece of ****. He brought nothing to Team USA in the World Jr.'s and he's a walking law suit as a defendant dressed in a DU jersey.

I've been saying for years that it's just a matter of time before some parent takes the WCHA and/or the NCAA to court over a career-ending injury resulting from a check from behind. It doesn't bother me a bit that the NCAA is cracking down on those plays. However, to be effective, the calls have to be made consistently and, in this series, they weren't. Paukovich got away with it twice. He, of all people, should be on the shortest possible leash.

It's my hopes the NCAA looks at the footage of his hit on Oshie on Friday night. What kind of message are you giving kids when boardings and absolute intent to injure cheap shots only warrant 2 minutes for interference.

Hakstol should demand that Greg Shepherd review the hits by Paukovich on Oshie and Finley. He should demand that they be compared to the hits that were called on Fabian and Finley.

5+DQ should have been the call and a formal hearing on this players past history and current hits. If this keeps up we will have a tragic ending in some young players life.

I agree completely.

[siouxnami]

If Paukovich's hit on Oshie would have ended T.J.'s season or career, would Prpich's stunt have been worth it?

First off, Paukovich is a piece of ****. He brought nothing to Team USA in the World Jr.'s and he's a walking law suit as a defendant dressed in a DU jersey.

Can't score goals .... simply a goon. The reason why Team USA stunk at the WJC is that they did not buy into the team concept. Too many individuals and no care to play as a team. USA Hockey should quit worrying about promoting a few prima donna's and start developing elite Jr. and Olympic 'team' players. How embarrassing losing in WJC because USAH wanted to make a few players #1 draft choices this summer. No wonder why no one would carry the games live. And the Olympics were just as bad.

And to think Paukovich was a teammate of TJ Oshie. The guy will kill someone one day on the ice. Mark my words. He's a prime example of how not to raise a kid.

It's my hopes the NCAA looks at the footage of his hit on Oshie on Friday night. What kind of message are you giving kids when boardings and absolute intent to injure cheap shots only warrant 2 minutes for interference.

At least have the guts to call attempted murder on that move you would make in hand to hand combat w/ an Iraqi soldier in Saddem's army.

5+DQ should have been the call and a formal hearing on this players past history and current hits. If this keeps up we will have a tragic ending in some young players life.

Nice list....

Perhaps a little over the top...

But you forgot my favorite...

Sex offender...

I hope that I won't be alone in chanting "Sex Offender" at the Final 5 should Paukovich make it and have his name announced.

[siouxnami]

Hakstol should demand that Greg Shepherd review the hits by Paukovich on Oshie and Finley. He should demand that they be compared to the hits that were called on Fabian and Finley.

I would like to hear if folks without the green tinted glasses think that Paukovich's hit was far worse that either of UND's checking from behind. I thought they weren't even close, but I'm biased.

[PCM]

I would like to hear if folks without the green tinted glasses think that Paukovich's hit was far worse that either of UND's checking from behind. I thought they weren't even close, but I'm biased.

You have your choice of two Paukovich hits from behind. The one on Oshie Friday and the one on Finley Saturday. Both of them were full-on drills in the back square in the numbers against Sioux players facing the boards. Neither of them involved players turning toward the boards at the last second, which was certainly the case on Fabian's penalty.

[Sioux-cia]

You have your choice of two Paukovich hits from behind. The one on Oshie Friday and the one on Finley Saturday. Both of them were full-on drills in the back square in the numbers against Sioux players facing the boards. Neither of them involved players turning toward the boards at the last second, which was certainly the case on Fabian's penalty.

...in addition, when the Punk hit TJ, he wrapped his arm around TJ's neck, pulling him down, and slamming his head onto the ice. That's the way I remember it but I admit that since I dislike the Punk so much, my memory may be skewed. Correct me, anyone.

[SiouxPride0303]

You have your choice of two Paukovich hits from behind. The one on Oshie Friday and the one on Finley Saturday. Both of them were full-on drills in the back square in the numbers against Sioux players facing the boards. Neither of them involved players turning toward the boards at the last second, which was certainly the case on Fabian's penalty.

A CFB is a CFB regardless if one is 'worse' than the other. If the ref is following the rule, it shouldnt matter about the force of the hit or if one is worse than another. The NCAA rules state in a "note" that it "should be penalized without exception and regardless of the severity of the hit."

How many legit CFB penalties have occured this year without a player turning his back??

[PCM]

...in addition, when the Punk hit TJ, he wrapped his arm around TJ's neck, pulling him down, and slamming his head onto the ice. That's the way I remember it but I admit that since I dislike the Punk so much, my memory may be skewed. Correct me, anyone.

I watched the replay of that hit several times one frame at a time. There's nothing wrong with your memory.

[Uncle_Rico]

...in addition, when the Punk hit TJ, he wrapped his arm around TJ's neck, pulling him down, and slamming his head onto the ice. That's the way I remember it but I admit that since I dislike the Punk so much, my memory may be skewed. Correct me, anyone.

Just watched it again on my DVR and your memory serves you correctly. Jacka$$ put his full weight into TJ as he drove his head into the ice. I'm amazed TJ got up so quickly. I'm envious of Prpich. I wish I had a shot at Paukovich's junk.

[dagies]

I agree that Paukovich is a goon, thug, cheap-shot artist... whatever term you want to use. But, I'm sorry, this post was just way too over the top. Comparing dirty play in a hockey game to literally killing people? Let's try to keep this in perspective, please.

How close to death was Robbie Bina?

[SIOUXELEVENS]

Maybe Todd Anderson was afraid to call anything like that in fear on curious george doing his dasher walk again,when george said he was sending a message I guess it got thru to one person

[THETRIOUXPER]

punkobitch is a worthless piece oh $hit. His future is cooking french fries at Mcdonalds, or maybe cleaning toilets at a casino somewhere. I don't know how many more times the powers that be are going to allow these blatant acts of VIOLENCE to continue. Sorry folks, but what punkobith has done is NOT part of the game of hockey. The other thing I'm sick and tired of is people acting like this eh-es-es hole is some kind of victim in all of this. Please, this idiot deserves everything he gets. The Prphc shot to the junk was just a scratch, nothing more folks. You can't even compare it to what he did to Bina, and now Oshie and Finley. There's a big damn difference between laying in the hospital with a broken neck wondering if your life will ever be somewhat normal again and getting a little shot in the pills. I'm not saying Prpch's shot wasn't cheap, or even called for, but there's no comparing the two IMO. What amazes me even more is the fact that punkobitch's idiot coach, and yes gwoz you are an idiot, doesn't try to reign this guy in. That makes him just as guilty. The league needs to protect these players simply by enforcing the rules of the game. As far as the old eye for an eye theory, if the league isn't going to do something about punkobith and his criminal behavior, maybe it's time someone took care of him on the ice. I would almost guarantee what would have happened to punkobitch last year when he ran Bina had Blaiser been around. He would have sent the dogs and this whole thing would'nt be an issue right now. The bottom line is either gwoz the idiot needs to reign this guy in or the WCHA/NCAA needs to do something because he has proven time and time again he shouldn't be on the ice with these other "elite athletes". He brings nothing to the game other than violent criminal acts. He'll never make it in the NHL, that's little consolation, but hey, it's something knowing his career in hockey is done in just a couple short years. Remeber it punkobith, when guys like Oshie and Finley have long NHL careers and you are scrubbing toilets at Taco Bell, get fitted for that uniform now cause that's where you're going to be.

[THETRIOUXPER]

I'm sorry, but the idea that fighting eliminates cheap play is the ultimate oxymoron. First and foremost, fighting is cheap to begin with. Beyond that, I find it extremely sad that anybody would think vigilante justice is the answer to anything. Players are not in charge of handing out punishments for dirty play, refs are. Should we put the same concept to use in society as well as hockey? Do away with police and just have citizens enforce the law themselves? As stupid as that idea sounds, it is essentially the same as what you're suggesting. The Bertuzzi incident was a great example of why there should be a no tolerance policy against fighting in hockey at all levels. Bertuzzi was, in his eyes, trying to punish Steve Moore for a cheap shot he had taken the last time those two teams had played. With five minutes in the box being the only consequences for such dispicable and classless behavior, there was little to deter Bertuzzi from doing what he did. If the NHL fined and suspended players each and every time they dropped the gloves, Bertuzzi and others like him would think twice the next time they think they're going to take the law into their own hands. Here's another thing that the fighing zealots never seem to consider... what if somebody were to challenge Paukovich to fight but then Paukovich ends up beating the crap out of that guy? Do they send another guy after him, and then another, and another, until somebody finally gets the best of him? The whole concept is just pure stupidity and very barbaric in origin. The hit was incredibly cheap, but he served his suspension. Let's move on and put all this absurd vigilante talk to rest once and for all. I think Robbie Bina would say the same thing if you asked him.

Well, dave, if you were the parent's of Bina, Oshie, or Finley I wonder what kind of an opinion you would have about the situation. You feel offical's need to deal with this problem, but the fact of the matter is they have not. gwoz the idiot isn't doing anything about it either, so my question to you dave is this. Who then should deal with punkobitch, or in you opinion should we just let his conscience be his own guide to what he feels is right and wrong. I think he has proven that he is not capable of knowing right from wrong many times over now. So in light of these facts I would like you dave to tell all of us neanderthal's here what the appropriate solution is. Sorry for the second post here folks.

[redwing77]

Oh, I understand DaveK's perspective quite well, though I'm not sure if I'd go so far as to call for the end of fighting in the NHL. It would get rid of my least favorite style of play: the enforcer.

But anyways, what I DO understand, is that what DaveK's saying is that the primary reason the official is on the ice is to ensure that the game is played as safe as possible through the enforcement of standardized rules and practices. That's why there are penalties, minor and major. If you take away the officials, the games can get rough or dangerous. My perspective on the whole Paukovich affair has nothing to do with him being a cheap and dirty player. This type of player is NOT new to any team in DI hockey. What disturbs me the most is that there is a consistent lack of accountability in the officials. Why? Because if there was accountability, flaws like we saw last weekend with Anderson shouldn't happen, as the more dangerous officials would be terminated.

Therefore, my argument is that Anderson can't even be held responsible for last weekend's actions of Paukovich. The person who is to blame is Greg Shepherd. He allows dangerous and unprofessional officials to be in charge of games. If there were competant officials in the league plus the knowledge that, if the official allows the game to get out of hand and dangerous the official will face serious repercusions, I think the level of gameplay will improve a hundred fold.

There is a level of danger even in a well officiated game, but when it is consistently exceeding this level, something needs to be done. Unfortunately, it once again appears as though the only way it will be faced again is if another player gets injured.

[NDFlyer]

I have no idea where DaveK comes up with this stuff. If he wants to watch pu$$ hockey let him watch the women play.

Yeah, DaveK, the leagues really do a superb job protecting players from cheap shots. I'm absolutely certain that the players are deterred from checking from behind because of the harsh actions taken by the league when a guy is cheapshotted. LOL!!!!!!!! Yeah, right.

If Steve Moore fights Bertuzzi immediately the whole situation is finished. If Paukovich had to fight every time he cheap shotted a guy his incidents of cheap shots would go way down. Rag doll him once or twice and he'd be as timid as a little teddy bear. he wouldn't go near the corner.

More people have had their careers shortened or ruined because of cheap shots than those who have eben hurt in fights.

[redwing77]

I have no idea where DaveK comes up with this stuff. If he wants to watch pu$$ hockey let him watch the women play.

Yeah, DaveK, the leagues really do a superb job protecting players from cheap shots. I'm absolutely certain that the players are deterred from checking from behind because of the harsh actions taken by the league when a guy is cheapshotted. LOL!!!!!!!! Yeah, right.

If Steve Moore fights Bertuzzi immediately the whole situation is finished. If Paukovich had to fight every time he cheap shotted a guy his incidents of cheap shots would go way down. Rag doll him once or twice and he'd be as timid as a little teddy bear. he wouldn't go near the corner.

More people have had their careers shortened or ruined because of cheap shots than those who have eben hurt in fights.

Maybe so, NDFlyer, but it is highly unlikely that the NCAA will allow fighting. Good or bad, that's just how it is. This means it comes down to what DaveK states: Officials. If the officials allow it to escalate to that point where cheap shots start flying, then bad things happen.

So, in your wisdom, what should the NCAA do? They won't allow fighting, so suggest something! Oh, and bear in mind that Greg Shepherd might still ignore it regardless. After all, the crackdown on obstruction was ignored...

[NDFlyer]

Here is what the NHL and NCAA should do: remove any type of ban on fighting; remove any additional penalties for fighting (ie. The Gary Buttman Package: 2, 5 and 10); let the player decide whether or not he should wear a full mask, visor or just a helmet.

Unofrtunately, none of this will happen because too many people like Gary Buttman and Greg Shepherd are running things in hockey and are destroying the sport. You cannot expect competence at lower levels when you have morons in charge in the first place. Why should we expect a ref or linesman, who doesn't know a hook or hold from a traveling call ................why should we expect them to have enough brains or guts to protect a player from a cheap shot? We can't. Who hires the on ice officials? Yup. The bigger idiots hire the lesser idiots.

Think about it--- cheap punks get away with so much because they can hide behind a full mask or visor. There is no doubt in my mind that players and coaches at the college or pro level will tell you that the players on the ice are in a better position to police the game then the idiotic officilals both on and off the ice.

The leagues yap about zero tolerance on cheap shots, headhunting, blah, blah, blah, but has it worked? Not that I care what happens to Jaromir Jagrl, but what did Ruutu get for taking off his head? Game misconduct and a 1 game suspension? LOL!!!!!!!! Big deal.

Forcing Rutuu to fight if he is gonna take runs at people is much more of a deterrant than any match penalty or crap like that.

[HockeyMom]

Therefore, my argument is that Anderson can't even be held responsible for last weekend's actions of Paukovich. The person who is to blame is Greg Shepherd. He allows dangerous and unprofessional officials to be in charge of games. If there were competant officials in the league plus the knowledge that, if the official allows the game to get out of hand and dangerous the official will face serious repercusions, I think the level of gameplay will improve a hundred fold.

Amen!

[HockeyMom]

If he wants to watch pu$$ hockey let him watch the women play.

[NDFlyer]

Steve Moore deserved an a$$ kicking. He didn't deserve to have his career ended in spite of the fact that his cheap shot on Naslund could very well have ended Naslund's career.

My point: If Moore fights some Nuck after the Naslund hit then the Bertuzzi cheap shot days later does not occur.

How did the league or the on ice officials protect Marcus Naslund from Steve Moore?

They didn't. I would pose the same question with the only changes being Robbie Bina and Punk Paukovich.

If you guys want to trust the league and the on ice officials to "protect" players go ahead. I'm sure the cheap shots will become extinct.

[PCM]

Steve Moore deserved an a$$ kicking. He didn't deserve to have his career ended in spite of the fact that his cheap shot on Naslund could very well have ended Naslund's career.

I never saw the hit in question, but all of the sports commentators I heard talk about it agreed that Moore's hit on Naslund was legal. Were they wrong?

Also, as I recall, Moore did fight a Canuck player. But apparently he didn't receive enough pain and suffering, so Bertuzzi decided to dispense his own justice.

In your opinion, what do the Avs need to do to pay Bertuzzi back for ending Moore's career and nearly his life?