82SiouxGuy Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 The NCAA staff review decision has come in and they have denied the UND appeal. The reason given was because the tribes did not like the use of the name and their opinion should be respected. The NCAA will not require UND to cover the logos at the Ralph for the Hockey regional because it would be too expensive and time-consuming. UND will have a press conference at 3:00 today to discuss the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoteauRinkRat Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Where can I send my check for the legal fund? I'm not joking either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 http://www2.ncaa.org/media_and_events/pres..._stmnt_und.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted September 28, 2005 Author Share Posted September 28, 2005 Thanks for posting the link. Doug Barrett and the guys on KNOX read the report but I didn't have time to go find the statement. They are going to try to cover the news conference at 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoteauRinkRat Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Thanks for posting the link. Doug Barrett and the guys on KNOX read the report but I didn't have time to go find the statement. They are going to try to cover the news conference at 3. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It will be interesting to listen to the press conference this afternoon and the tone that the President takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted September 28, 2005 Author Share Posted September 28, 2005 My guess is that they will take the next step in the appeal process and file a written appeal with the executive committee. It should be an interesting press conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujack Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Total BS... Hate the NCAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Jesus ... having your cake and eating it too. Deny the appeal, but allow UND to continue to host the 2006 tourney and fill the NC$$'s bank account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 BRING ON THE LAWSUIT!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldralph Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 I say we sue, but either way there is no way we give up the Fighting Sioux name. Our athletes can go on the road and play and I'm sure they will agree. I also think all Sioux fans should boycott and encourage others to boycott the Sioux Casinos, let's hit em where it hurts. And I think we should disassociate ourselves from the Sioux in our pregame announcement on respect, and change it to a mythical warrior, as the Sioux of today command no respect. Yes, I'm bitter, but I say keep the name. It can't be any worse than it is because they can't force us to change the name. Spiteful? Somewhat. When I think Sioux I think Sioux pride, and they're upset that we have that and they don't - apparhently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodaker Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Where can I send my check for the legal fund? I'm not joking either. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have my checkbook out also. Go Sioux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 From the release... (emphasis mine) In its review of the particular circumstances regarding the University of North Dakota, the NCAA staff review committee noted the university did not have the support of the three federally recognized Sioux tribes of North Dakota. One primary, but not exclusive, consideration in the review process is documentation that a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacardio Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 As much as I hat e to say it... It is over and the lawsuit will do nothing. The denial was based on the fact that 2 of the 3 tribes in the state do not support the use of the name. And that the one tribe that does, would not respond to the NCAAs request for a formal letter of support. And even if they had it, I am guessing that a 2 to 1 vote from the tribes still would have been enough for the denial. So here is my question and poll to others: a) change the name so we can host sanctioned events b) keep name This may sound harsh, but at this point, as much as I love the name, I am ready for a change. The present tribes no longer respect the decisions of the past elders to support of the use of their name. Because of this they have lost integrity and honor. The University chose the mighty Sioux name because of those traits, if they no longer possess them, why should we identify the school with them. Other cultures portray the same qualities and have local connections to the land. My 2 cents, broken hearted, but ready to move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxrunner Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 ...I also think all Sioux fans should boycott and encourage others to boycott the Sioux Casinos, let's hit em where it hurts. And I think we should disassociate ourselves from the Sioux in our pregame announcement on respect, and change it to a mythical warrior, as the Sioux of today command no respect... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This general statement has been made by many on this forum. It seems more and more juvenile every time I read it. It reminds me of a 3rd grader..."If I don't get what I want from you, then you can't come to my birthday party!" People who want to go to a certain casino shouldn't feel pressured by their peers not to go, just because a group of people in the NC$$ think they know better than the rest of us. Also, why would we change the pregame images where we show we still have pride in the name and consider it honorable? Just because you don't get your way doesn't mean you pout about it and embody the disrespect you have adamently denied throughout the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldralph Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Somebody who knows how start a poll on this forum. I for one will vote to retain the name. Go Sioux! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Wait a minute? Is the NCAA punishing UND because the Spirit Lake Tribe didn't answer them and clarify the resolution? This isn't over. No one should lay down and die because of the NCAA's decision today. That's not the way this country came to be, and there is no reason not to try. YOU HAVE NO CHANCE OF SUCCEEDING IF YOU DO NOT TRY. I have yet to see a Fighting Sioux athletic team lay down and die. There's no reason that people should say this is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Maybe we need to start to do the tomahawk chop and the chant that goes with it. While we're at it, why not have a white guy throw a flaming spear into the earth to help get the approval of the tribes. Wow, where is the common sense. Of course the NCAA does stand for "No Common Analytical Ability". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux Hockey Fanatic Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Wait a minute? Is the NCAA punishing UND because the Spirit Lake Tribe didn't answer them and clarify the resolution? This isn't over. No one should lay down and die because of the NCAA's decision today. That's not the way this country came to be, and there is no reason not to try. YOU HAVE NO CHANCE OF SUCCEEDING IF YOU DO NOT TRY. I have yet to see a Fighting Sioux athletic team lay down and die. There's no reason that people should say this is over. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> DITO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Wait a minute? Is the NCAA punishing UND because the Spirit Lake Tribe didn't answer them and clarify the resolution? This isn't over. No one should lay down and die because of the NCAA's decision today. That's not the way this country came to be, and there is no reason not to try. YOU HAVE NO CHANCE OF SUCCEEDING IF YOU DO NOT TRY. I have yet to see a Fighting Sioux athletic team lay down and die. There's no reason that people should say this is over. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree, and it wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor either!!! /Had to be said ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 The NCAA will not require UND to cover the logos at the Ralph for the Hockey regional because it would be too expensive and time-consuming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jk Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 I don't think I've ever posted in the name forum, and I probably shouldn't now, but ... I think I agree that, if the name ultimately is changed, economic retaliation would be appropriate. For those that think it's childish, I would say that nearly all decisions are about money in the real world, and it's childish to think otherwise. There would certainly not be a Native American casino in Grand Forks, and I would have the state sanction some limited gambling of a similar nature to compete directly with the existing casinos. All those Native American programs at UND - gone, with the savings used to fund the logo change. The medical school program - gone, along with the controversy. With no University connection to Native American culture, I don't see any reason for special programs. Harsh, but that's what I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakotadan Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Wait a minute? Is the NCAA punishing UND because the Spirit Lake Tribe didn't answer them and clarify the resolution? This isn't over. No one should lay down and die because of the NCAA's decision today. That's not the way this country came to be, and there is no reason not to try. YOU HAVE NO CHANCE OF SUCCEEDING IF YOU DO NOT TRY. I have yet to see a Fighting Sioux athletic team lay down and die. There's no reason that people should say this is over. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> +++ UND still has many options. I wouldn't be so quick to give up people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldralph Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoteauRinkRat Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 This is a question and it is not meant as an argument one way or the other, but has anyone looked at how much it would cost to change the name? I worked for an organization that changed its name, it was a company of about 1000 employees, the name changed cost around $1.2 million. It would be an interesting number for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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