PCM Posted September 15, 2006 Posted September 15, 2006 From the Wisconsin State Journal: Baggot: UW plays games with nicknames The boldest part of the policy, adopted by the UW Athletic Board in May 1993, prohibited the Badgers from scheduling a school with a "Native American" mascot or nickname "unless the team is a traditional rival or conference member." A lot has happened since then, which explains why the UW Athletic Board is expected to revisit the policy today during its first meeting of the school year. But there is already evidence UW is conforming on this issue instead of staying its own courageous course.Questions were raised this spring when it was announced the UW men's basketball team would host Florida State as part of the Big Ten/ACC Challenge. The OK to play the Seminoles was given based in part on the notion that the assignment came from the league and UW had no input in the process. That's a copout unless UW officials, citing school policy, asked for a different opponent and were denied. Florida State is on a list of eight NCAA Division I opponents UW teams can't schedule and should stay there. For some reason, the NCAA believes Florida State's horse-riding mascot - the one wearing buckskin, war paint and a headdress - doesn't violate our senses. UW officials should have recognized that it does and stuck to a policy that made sense long before the NCAA got involved. What's the fuss? As an NCAA-designated "model institution," the University of Wisconsin is simply following the NCAA's lead in the nickname game-playing crusade. Quote
GeauxSioux Posted September 20, 2006 Posted September 20, 2006 Continuation of story above. Seminole Test Case When Florida State comes to the Kohl Center to play the University of Wisconsin men's basketball team Nov. 28, will its mascot come along, too? If so, would Chief Osceola, who wears buckskin, war paint and a head dress, be welcome? And would Seminoles fans making the trip to Madison be allowed to invoke their traditional "war chant" during the game? Quote
The Sicatoka Posted September 20, 2006 Posted September 20, 2006 How can (NCAA "model institution") Wisconsin even play FSU when they have the "Seminoles" moniker? Their very own (NCAA model "model institution") policy says they won't play such schools unless they are traditional rivals or conference foes. Sorry, FSU is neither traditional rival nor conference foe with Badger hoop. Hypocrits. H-Y, P-O, C-R-I-T-S. Hypocrits. Quote
GeauxSioux Posted September 20, 2006 Posted September 20, 2006 How can (NCAA "model institution") Wisconsin even play FSU when they have the "Seminoles" moniker? Their very own (NCAA model "model institution") policy says they won't play such schools unless they are traditional rivals or conference foes. Sorry, FSU is neither traditional rival nor conference foe with Badger hoop. Hypocrits. H-Y, P-O, C-R-I-T-S. Hypocrits. I think their defense is going to be "The Big 10 made us play them". I agree, hypocrites. Quote
dagies Posted September 20, 2006 Posted September 20, 2006 I say when Wisconsin comes to the Ralph our team is the Fighting Sioux and their team is referred to as "Wisconsin" on the scoreboard, etc. The Illinois Fighting Illini (Big Ten) and North Dakota Fighting Sioux (Western Collegiate Hockey Association) fall into that category and remain at odds with the NCAA over its policy. UW officials go so far as to make sure those nicknames are not referenced on the scoreboard or in game-time announcements. Quote
Goon Posted September 21, 2006 Posted September 21, 2006 I say when Wisconsin comes to the Ralph our team is the Fighting Sioux and their team is referred to as "Wisconsin" on the scoreboard, etc. Isn't Wisconsin a Native American name. Quote
redwing77 Posted September 21, 2006 Posted September 21, 2006 Isn't Wisconsin a Native American name. We should have them be "Visitor" on the scoreboard Quote
WiSioux Posted September 21, 2006 Posted September 21, 2006 Being raised in Madison I was taught something in school that not many people realize. When the Badgers orignally choose their mascot, they were not named after the animal the badger. They were named after people. They were named after the miner that were forced to dig holes in the side of hills in which they lived. "The team's nickname, 'Badgers,' was borrowed from the state of Wisconsin. The territory was dubbed the 'Badger State,' not because of animals in the region, but rather an association with lead miners in the 1820s. Prospectors came to the state looking for minerals. Without shelter in the winter, the miners had to 'live like badgers' in tunnels burrowed into hillsides." Badger nickname Quote
dagies Posted September 21, 2006 Posted September 21, 2006 Being raised in Madison I was taught something in school that not many people realize. When the Badgers orignally choose their mascot, they were not named after the animal the badger. They were named after people. They were named after the miner that were forced to dig holes in the side of hills in which they lived. "The team's nickname, 'Badgers,' was borrowed from the state of Wisconsin. The territory was dubbed the 'Badger State,' not because of animals in the region, but rather an association with lead miners in the 1820s. Prospectors came to the state looking for minerals. Without shelter in the winter, the miners had to 'live like badgers' in tunnels burrowed into hillsides." Badger nickname And look how dangerous lead is to human life. And they are GLORIFYING that! How horrible for us. Quote
PCM Posted September 21, 2006 Posted September 21, 2006 And look how dangerous lead is to human life. And they are GLORIFYING that! How horrible for us. I'm offended! Quote
andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!! Posted September 21, 2006 Posted September 21, 2006 Isn't Wisconsin a Native American name. Yes. "Wisconsin" is the English spelling of a French version of an Indian name for the river that runs 430 miles through the center of our state. It most likely means "River of Red Stone" or "River of the Great Rock." http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/topics/wisconsin-name/ Quote
PCM Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 Grand Forks Herald columnist Doreen Yellow Bird gives her opinon on North Dakota's pending lawsuit against the NCAA. [url="http://www.grandforksherald.com/articles/index.cfm?id=11807 Quote
PartTime Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 Grand Forks Herald columnist Doreen Yellow Bird gives her opinon on North Dakota's pending lawsuit against the NCAA. [url="http://www.grandforksherald.com/articles/index.cfm?id=11807 Quote
choyt3 Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 I would like to see DYB write about these incidents. Give us details. Let us see for ourselves all of the hatred and abuse that is being pushed upon native americans on UND's campus. If things that she makes inferences to are indeed happening, they surely would be front page news. If things are indeed happening, maybe people that are supportive of the nickname would be more sympathetic to what she has to say, and may be moved to change their mind. "People don't think I'm an asshole because I'm white; they think I'm an asshole because I'm an asshole." - Unknown. 2006 Quote
ScottM Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 Everytime I read one of Doreen's "pieces" I think that it was written by a second grader. Then I remember she's about 80 or so. Quote
dagies Posted October 1, 2006 Posted October 1, 2006 It frosts me that columnists like Coleman (Star Tribune) and Yellow Bird can write pretty much anything they want and it isn't challenged. Saying that if you go to a Sioux game you will hear and see hostile and abusive behavior is an incorrect blanket statement. It is irresponsible at best and deceit at the worst. Yellow Bird ignores the majority of the tribal membership that appears to support UND's use of the name regardless of the council resolutions. Yet assigns this as an attack against Native Americans. If one wants to take a polar opposite view point, it could be seen as a fight for freedom FOR those Native American's who support UND. Their opinion should be just as valid, but apparently it's not. Quote
DamStrait Posted October 1, 2006 Posted October 1, 2006 DYB wouldn't know $hit if she were to step in it. Quote
PCM Posted October 1, 2006 Posted October 1, 2006 My response to Doreen Yellow Bird's Saturday Grand Forks Herald colmn is posted here. Quote
GeauxSioux Posted October 1, 2006 Posted October 1, 2006 My response to Doreen Yellow Bird's Saturday Grand Forks Herald colmn is posted here. Great response to DYB. Especially this part. The reality is that Yellow Bird doesn Quote
redwing77 Posted October 1, 2006 Posted October 1, 2006 My response to Doreen Yellow Bird's Saturday Grand Forks Herald colmn is posted here. Wow. Quality, PCM. Quote
BringDeanBack Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 Anyone else notice how UND is using the term Force of the North on a pretty regular basis for football and hockey? Is this a type of contingency plan in case the lawsuit doesn't work out as planned? I hope that I am wrong. Quote
PCM Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 Anyone else notice how UND is using the term Force of the North on a pretty regular basis for football and hockey? Is this a type of contingency plan in case the lawsuit doesn't work out as planned? I hope that I am wrong. I doubt it. See here. Quote
Goon Posted October 3, 2006 Posted October 3, 2006 My response to Doreen Yellow Bird's Saturday Grand Forks Herald colmn is posted here. That is a nice response to DYB's article. Quote
PCM Posted October 4, 2006 Posted October 4, 2006 Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem has a [url="http://www.grandforksherald.com/articles/index.cfm?id=12179 Quote
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