Next Head Coach

[Kab]

I think Sather knows basketball

just wonder how he relates to the players

treys comment after ndsu game was players get up for big games and coach said he tells the players all games are big games

trey also said a few games ago it’s different playing with players in the nil days

 

 

[bincitysioux]

It has been 19 seasons since Rich Glas left.  UND has posted 6 winning seasons in that time frame. 

That's disappointing on so many levels.

[fightingsioux4life]

1 hour ago, Kab said:

I think Sather knows basketball

just wonder how he relates to the players

treys comment after ndsu game was players get up for big games and coach said he tells the players all games are big games

trey also said a few games ago it’s different playing with players in the nil days

Knowing the game is fine. But this is as much a people management job as it is a teacher of X's and O's.

[fightingsioux4life]

1 hour ago, bincitysioux said:

It has been 19 seasons since Rich Glas left.  UND has posted 6 winning seasons in that time frame. 

That's disappointing on so many levels.

Not according to the apologists on here. They think Sather should get to stick around as long as he wants.

I am done listening to the apologists and status quo defenders. They simply do not get it.

[GoodGood]

What’s the argument to extend Sather? 
Brian Jones last year: Kenpom 271

Sather this year: Kenpom 269 

Brian Jones best year: Kenpom 168 

Sather best year: Kenpom 236 

Theres no stat that would suggest that the program is in a better place now than when he took it over. He’s a nice guy. He was a good d2 coach. Greg McDermott loves him. Great! Let’s find a coach that can actually win some games 

[iramurphy]

3 hours ago, sioux24/7 said:

My guess is Greg McDermott. Have heard he is a Sather fan. 

Yeah but what would he know?

[iramurphy]

4 hours ago, gfhockey said:

I thought Gunther passed away?

Great coach, good fisherman and could drink most guys under the table on their  best day as long as it was beer.

[gfhockey]

Have heard niu is getting tired of jacobson

 

naybe we could get him back

[HoopsFan03]

19 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

Yeah but what would he know?

Can you please provide your thoughts on the comment above by @GoodGood where he provided actual stats and facts? You seem to love ignoring facts when those facts don’t fit your argument. 

Thanks!

[NewUndFan]

41 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Can you please provide your thoughts on the comment above by @GoodGood where he provided actual stats and facts? You seem to love ignoring facts when those facts don’t fit your argument. 

Thanks!

I could like this one twice!  @iramurphy is a homer and doesnt deal in facts.  Just good vibes.  If Sather brought his record to Creighton he wouldnt have a job there.  So what McDermott thinks of him doesnt matter.  I actually doubt McDermott truly thinks he is doing great, but its politically correct to say.  

[UND1983]

1 hour ago, iramurphy said:

Yeah but what would he know?

I know what he doesn’t know - Sather’s record at UND

[SiouxFan100]

I think new blood would move the needle in the right direction 

[ND-fan]

My opinion is Bernhard should go first and I can live another year of Sather in my mind he is still more capable of putting winner together than Bernhard. If they wouldn't have hired Hutter and one of his player/coach we would have been like first year Bernhard couple win season. To me it’s matter priorities women’s basketball is in far worse shape than men’s side if UND hadn’t had Denver, Omaha, St Thomas, (earlier from D3), you could count number of wins in the conference on your hand in last 5 years. I don’t think they are going change coaches for football, men’s and women’s basketball, and soccer in one year.  I believe they could make one more change.  
UND fb football  yes we have settled for not winning but I always have thought we have been behind in basketball programs and even compared to football. Basketballl on national level attracts more attention even football especially FCS football or even Hockey and I think it also quickest of sports to rebuild because it only takes couple star athletes to propel you up the ranks. If we had winning program Betty would be full all time plus we would be getting some nationally televised games. Just look at exposure we got from the Alabama game.  I grew up where UND basketball was recognized even at the division 2 level. We had some amazing coaches here of Bill Fitch, Dave Gunther, and Rich Glass go look at their records here we were down right dominating basically playing same. Universities we are now playing. This was major sport here durning that time of more than 30 years of basketball. Same thing when we Gene Roebuck on women’s side of basketball. We need to get back to that level of program. It was time where we won 2/3 of our games over decades and we can do it again if administration demands excellence.

[iramurphy]

1 hour ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Can you please provide your thoughts on the comment above by @GoodGood where he provided actual stats and facts? You seem to love ignoring facts when those facts don’t fit your argument. 

Thanks!

His facts are correct. I don’t ignore them, there is nothing I can do about them other than try to support the University and UND athletics. I don’t fuss over stuff I have no control over.
Those facts have nothing to do with my opinion.  It isn’t based on wins and loses. I think winning is important and it certainly was much more so when I played and coached. I don’t play and coach anymore and don’t pretend I could.
I have stated an opinion that Sather isn’t going anywhere and why I think that. I haven’t said he should be extended. If you want to argue that he will be fired at the end of the season, I have stated I think he “won’t be going anywhere” and I would take that bet.  If your argument is that he hasn’t done enough to stay, the record supports your argument and I get it. If I knew a new coach would turn things around quickly and we would be league champs, I’m with you. Otherwise, I’m interested to see how the end of the season plays out and if we can keep our key players and key recruits. 

[iramurphy]

1 hour ago, NewUndFan said:

I could like this one twice!  @iramurphy is a homer and doesnt deal in facts.  Just good vibes.  If Sather brought his record to Creighton he wouldnt have a job there.  So what McDermott thinks of him doesnt matter.  I actually doubt McDermott truly thinks he is doing great, but its politically correct to say.  

I am not arguing the facts. You don’t seem to be smart enough to understand my opinion is that I don’t think Sather is going anywhere not whether or not he should. 
What McDermott thinks does matter. What you and I think is what doesn’t matter. Deal with that fact then like it twice. 

[GoodGood]

5 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

I am not arguing the facts. You don’t seem to be smart enough to understand my opinion is that I don’t think Sather is going anywhere not whether or not he should. 
What McDermott thinks does matter. What you and I think is what doesn’t matter. Deal with that fact then like it twice. 

If the athletic department values Greg McDermott’s opinion (who has no idea that Sather wins 33% of his games) over the actual results, we’re in big trouble. Oh wait, our athletic department already is in big trouble 🤦‍♂️

[NewUndFan]

13 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

I am not arguing the facts. You don’t seem to be smart enough to understand my opinion is that I don’t think Sather is going anywhere not whether or not he should. 
What McDermott thinks does matter. What you and I think is what doesn’t matter. Deal with that fact then like it twice. 

Trust me I am smart enough to understand a 33% win percentage doesnt deserve a extension.  Your opinion is that Chaves has done a great job as AD, I am smart enough to know that almost every team has gone backwards under his leadership.  You are saying because Greg McDermott thinks he is a good coach we should keep him around.  Other then the first year he has not won a tournament game.  I obviously dont know Greg but I almost Guarantee he doesnt feel a coach with a 33% win percentage after 6 years is doing great.  No other big time basketball school would allow this.  I am starting to think maybe you are not smart enough to understand this.  

[iramurphy]

3 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

If the athletic department values Greg McDermott’s opinion (who has no idea that Sather wins 33% of his games) over the actual results, we’re in big trouble. Oh wait, our athletic department already is in big trouble 🤦‍♂️

I believe it was pretty clear McDermott understood the team has struggled again and there has been pressure on Chaves.  I think that’s why he made the call. 

Your point is well taken regarding results. 

I don’t believe we have the experience as either players or coaches (if you have played or coached) to say he doesn’t know anything about coaching so of course his opinion carries weight. 

[NewUndFan]

12 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

I believe it was pretty clear McDermott understood the team has struggled again and there has been pressure on Chaves.  I think that’s why he made the call. 

Your point is well taken regarding results. 

I don’t believe we have the experience as either players or coaches (if you have played or coached) to say he doesn’t know anything about coaching so of course his opinion carries weight. 

How many years do you think we should allow him to be here before we look for a change then?  Or as long as he wants to carry his 33% win percentage.  Would you have a time frame?   Or as long as he knows basketball according to Gregg its from here to eternity.  I feel at some point a 33% isnt good enough or maybe thats your standard.  

[iramurphy]

Just now, NewUndFan said:

Trust me I am smart enough to understand a 33% win percentage doesnt deserve an extension.  Your opinion is that Chaves has done a great job as AD, I am smart enough to know that almost every team has gone backwards under his leadership.  You are saying because Greg McDermott thinks he is a good coach we should keep him around.  Other then the first year he has not won a tournament game.  I obviously dont know Greg but I almost Guarantee he doesnt feel a coach with a 33% win percentage after 6 years is doing great.  No other big time basketball school would allow this.  I am starting to think maybe you are not smart enough to understand this.  

I haven’t said he should be extended, nor did I say Chaves has done “a great job”. I have simply brought up points as to why I don’t think either are going anywhere.  You and others bring up reasons why you want them gone. Not much depth to either position but this is a fan forum. Fans understand results. 

 

 

[iramurphy]

1 minute ago, NewUndFan said:

How many years do you think we should allow him to be here before we look for a change then?  Or as long as he wants to carry his 33% win percentage.  Would you have a time frame?   Or as long as he knows basketball according to Gregg it’s from here to eternity.  I feel at some point a 33% isnt good enough or maybe thats your standard.  

 I’m not sure discussing standards on a fan forum with someone I know little about is worth while. My standard is whether or not I would go into combat with the person. ( probably not you). 
However, in answer to your question, when is his contract up?  In the meantime, I would like to see how they finish the season, and which players stay and who are new guys coming in. 

[Kab]

If players had stayed how many more games would have been wins?

[GoodGood]

Just now, Kab said:

If players had stayed how many more games would have been wins?

Impossible to know. If certain players stayed, certain players would have never come here. If certain players stayed, maybe certain players would’ve transferred. Too many what ifs  

[HoopsFan03]

38 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

I believe it was pretty clear McDermott understood the team has struggled again and there has been pressure on Chaves.  I think that’s why he made the call.  

I’ll take things that never happened for 500 please!

And even if in some other universe this actually happened isn’t that pretty telling?? If someone has to call our AD to plead his case for extending Sather that probably means there was a legit reason he was in the hot seat to begin with. 

Either way, this didn’t even occur so no need to talk further about it.

[Kab]

He must know something about coaching when UNDs good players are being recruited away

they did develop while they were here