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[iramurphy]

My mindset is to have athletic teams that compete for league championships, make the playoffs and put a product on the field, ice, court, track that we can support and be proud of. Realistically FB and hockey teams that can and will be national champions and WBB, MBB, VB, Softball etc that can win some playoff games. I will continue to support UND with my attendance, efforts and resources to try to make that happen. 
 

Where I differ with some is that I don’t expect any of that to bring me to the table with the decision makers. They will meet with me, talk to me and listen to me just like the rest of you. 
Also my life is unaffected by the successes or failures of our athletic teams  I’m disappointed for the players and coaches but not for myself  

When I say it doesn’t matter who is to blame it is with all of that in mind. What’s done is done and can’t be changed.  The stated objectives and expectations of the athletic administration for football is to win conference championships, make the playoffs regularly, and compete for and win National Championships. One Big Sky title and one MVFC title with a handful of playoff games seems to have resulted in an extension that I disagree with but that ship has sailed so how do we move forward? For me, it isn’t what someone else should do with their money while I sit back and say I’m done until I see results  I don’t think Chaves will be let go at this time so the question is the FB staff  

Regardless of who coaches next year my  expectation is a very good recruiting year, conference title, playoffs and success in the playoffs  I’ve invested my resources to help make that happen  

 

[fightingsioux4life]

42 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

My mindset is to have athletic teams that compete for league championships, make the playoffs and put a product on the field, ice, court, track that we can support and be proud of. Realistically FB and hockey teams that can and will be national champions and WBB, MBB, VB, Softball etc that can win some playoff games. I will continue to support UND with my attendance, efforts and resources to try to make that happen. 
 

Where I differ with some is that I don’t expect any of that to bring me to the table with the decision makers. They will meet with me, talk to me and listen to me just like the rest of you. 
Also my life is unaffected by the successes or failures of our athletic teams  I’m disappointed for the players and coaches but not for myself  

When I say it doesn’t matter who is to blame it is with all of that in mind. What’s done is done and can’t be changed.  The stated objectives and expectations of the athletic administration for football is to win conference championships, make the playoffs regularly, and compete for and win National Championships. One Big Sky title and one MVFC title with a handful of playoff games seems to have resulted in an extension that I disagree with but that ship has sailed so how do we move forward? For me, it isn’t what someone else should do with their money while I sit back and say I’m done until I see results  I don’t think Chaves will be let go at this time so the question is the FB staff  

Regardless of who coaches next year my  expectation is a very good recruiting year, conference title, playoffs and success in the playoffs  I’ve invested my resources to help make that happen  

So our obligation is to put up and shut up?

Do that if you want, but don't expect the rest of us to do it.

The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy. Your post has more than a touch of that.

[Siouxperman8]

1 hour ago, Hawkster said:

I heard this from what I consider a reliable source, Bubba supposedly donates part of his salary back to be given to his assistants because their salary is so low.   If true, why are the assistants paid so poorly?   If UND can't afford to pay those under Bubba a fair wage they can't afford to pay the buyout or to pay the next guy more than Bubba (new coaches always seem to get more than the previous one).   There does seem to be bigger problems here, assuming that what I heard is true.

My pet peeve is still that REA keeps 52% of fb ticket revenue.  They then decide how much to give back to the athletic department at the end of the year. It is rolled into all their revenue and expenses. I believe it is completely up to REA how much, if any, they give back.  Some years it has been $1M, other years $0. 

rough numbers - this year we had 71,987 paid attendance. At $20 per seat (guess) 52% would be $748k 

I figure the athletic dept sure could use that. Needed much more than the REA needs it. 

[fightingsioux4life]

3 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

My pet peeve is still that REA keeps 52% of fb ticket revenue.  They then decide how much to give back to the athletic department at the end of the year. It is rolled into all their revenue and expenses. I believe it is completely up to REA how much, if any, they give back.  Some years it has been $1M, other years $0. 

rough numbers - this year we had 71,987 paid attendance. At $20 per seat (guess) 52% would be $748k 

I figure the athletic dept sure could use that. Needed much more than the REA needs it. 

That putrid situation ends in 2030.

[forksandspoons]

So und donors have to pony up to pay for Chaves’ extension mistake? Lol makes sense 

[Siouxperman8]

18 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

That putrid situation ends in 2030.

I'm afraid there will be a push to continue it in the name of keeping up with improvements to the Ralph. 

[fightingsioux4life]

14 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

I'm afraid there will be a push to continue it in the name of keeping up with improvements to the Ralph. 

That had better not happen.

[HoopsFan03]

1 hour ago, Siouxperman8 said:

rough numbers - this year we had 71,987 paid attendance. At $20 per seat (guess) 52% would be $748k 

What’s Bubba’s buyout number again?? 

[iramurphy]

2 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

So our obligation is to put up and shut up?

Do that if you want, but don't expect the rest of us to do it.

The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy. Your post has more than a touch of that.

There seems to be no room for another opinion as to how to accomplish goals. 

You have no obligation to put up nor shut up, nor did I say that. However, if we want a buyout I think those that do, will need to come up with the money.  I don’t  expect others to agree nor do I have expectations of what others should do.   I think it’s going to take a lot of money to make a change. I’ve tossed in my extra. What others do or don’t do is none of my business. 

Actually, the opposite of love is hate but we digress. You may also review the definition of apathy. 
 

 

[UND-FB-FAN]

48 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

There seems to be no room for another opinion as to how to accomplish goals. 

You have no obligation to put up nor shut up, nor did I say that. However, if we want a buyout I think those that do, will need to come up with the money.  I don’t  expect others to agree nor do I have expectations of what others should do.   I think it’s going to take a lot of money to make a change. I’ve tossed in my extra. What others do or don’t do is none of my business. 

Actually, the opposite of love is hate but we digress. You may also review the definition of apathy. 
 

 

 

4 hours ago, iramurphy said:

My mindset is to have athletic teams that compete for league championships, make the playoffs and put a product on the field, ice, court, track that we can support and be proud of. Realistically FB and hockey teams that can and will be national champions and WBB, MBB, VB, Softball etc that can win some playoff games. I will continue to support UND with my attendance, efforts and resources to try to make that happen. 
 

Where I differ with some is that I don’t expect any of that to bring me to the table with the decision makers. They will meet with me, talk to me and listen to me just like the rest of you. 
Also my life is unaffected by the successes or failures of our athletic teams  I’m disappointed for the players and coaches but not for myself  

When I say it doesn’t matter who is to blame it is with all of that in mind. What’s done is done and can’t be changed.  The stated objectives and expectations of the athletic administration for football is to win conference championships, make the playoffs regularly, and compete for and win National Championships. One Big Sky title and one MVFC title with a handful of playoff games seems to have resulted in an extension that I disagree with but that ship has sailed so how do we move forward? For me, it isn’t what someone else should do with their money while I sit back and say I’m done until I see results  I don’t think Chaves will be let go at this time so the question is the FB staff  

Regardless of who coaches next year my  expectation is a very good recruiting year, conference title, playoffs and success in the playoffs  I’ve invested my resources to help make that happen  

 

I do value your opinions and posts because they routinely provide excellent insight into why UND athletics is mediocre and being overshadowed by NDSU and SDSU.  

You represent the portion of the alumni base that will support UND even when the appointed leaders of UND fail to demonstrate accountability with funds and consistently undermine alumni who want more. It certainly is difficult to change the status quo anywhere, but that is especially true here at UND. 

You certainly do differ from many of the diehards on this site, but to imply that high expectations only means individuals’ lives are being affected by the teams’ success or failures is a straw man argument and fails to address the underlying problems. The decision makers may listen to you but they also are gaslighting others at the same time; they make you feel good while manipulating you, and then fail to spend your money and others accordingly.  Such a lack of accountability is why the football program also currently lacks accountability with Bubba Schweigert at the helm. This failure culture has permeated itself throughout much of the athletic department. It’s a major problem. 

As for expectations, UND is no where near a conference title right now. The conference title in 2020 (spring 2021 season) occurred during a pandemic-shortened schedule and otherwise the program has been regressing. 2021 was a losing season. 2022 - 2024 reminded us of road failures and inability to compete with NDSU and SDSU and other top conference competition. Playoff appearances mean nothing when every single appearance leads to a loss.

This is once again a culture issue, and the lack of accountability can be seen in several areas, including unwarranted extensions to an incapable head football coach. But hey, don’t worry, he’s nice and can fundraise, so let’s continue the status quo, right? Because it would cost a lot of money to change, right? Even though the decisions that have created these financial barriers are inexcusable in their own right. 

[iramurphy]

35 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

 

I do value your opinions and posts because they routinely provide excellent insight into why UND athletics is mediocre and being overshadowed by NDSU and SDSU.  

You represent the portion of the alumni base that will support UND even when the appointed leaders of UND fail to demonstrate accountability with funds and consistently undermine alumni who want more. It certainly is difficult to change the status quo anywhere, but that is especially true here at UND. 

You certainly do differ from many of the diehards on this site, but to imply that high expectations only means individuals’ lives are being affected by the teams’ success or failures is a straw man argument and fails to address the underlying problems. The decision makers may listen to you but they also are gaslighting others at the same time; they make you feel good while manipulating you, and then fail to spend your money and others accordingly.  Such a lack of accountability is why the football program also currently lacks accountability with Bubba Schweigert at the helm. This failure culture has permeated itself throughout much of the athletic department. It’s a major problem. 

As for expectations, UND is no where near a conference title right now. The conference title in 2020 (spring 2021 season) occurred during a pandemic-shortened schedule and otherwise the program has been regressing. 2021 was a losing season. 2022 - 2024 reminded us of road failures and inability to compete with NDSU and SDSU and other top conference competition. Playoff appearances mean nothing when every single appearance leads to a loss.

This is once again a culture issue, and the lack of accountability can be seen in several areas, including unwarranted extensions to an incapable head football coach. But hey, don’t worry, he’s nice and can fundraise, so let’s continue the status quo, right? Because it would cost a lot of money to change, right? Even though the decisions that have created these financial barriers are inexcusable in their own right. 

I haven’t implied anything regarding expectations. I don’t need to interact with UND athletic officials to feel good and to say they could now or ever manipulate me, shows how off subject you can go.  I’ve never made the mistake of thinking UND athletic officials like to hear from me. Most wouldn’t know me from the Hoopskirts guy or Goody Goody. 
 

I'm not aware that Bubba is a good fundraiser, but I agree he is a nice guy. 
 

I make no claim to know more about football than the UND officials. As to the self proclaimed experts on this site, I would be happy to site down and buy you a beer and let you figure out what I may have learned. I may have some experiences  regarding turning losing programs around, how quickly successful programs can fail and football at different levels from HS to the NFL that has helped me form my opinions.  Having said that I’m fully aware many aren’t interested in my opinions. 
 

I had nothing to do with hiring nor extending this coaching staff. I have no idea what your life experiences are, but I would only align myself with those I could count on to bring the needed experience, talent and passion necessary to succeed.  I judge those I will team up with  as to whether or not I would want to go to war with them. If you fail there, you can end up dead. That’s why watching someone else play football isn’t as important to me.  If you fail here you can lose your job and have a bunch of rubes like us argue as to how to make that happen. 
 

 

 

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, iramurphy said:

I haven’t implied anything regarding expectations. I don’t need to interact with UND athletic officials to feel good and to say they could now or ever manipulate me, shows how off subject you can go.  I’ve never made the mistake of thinking UND athletic officials like to hear from me. Most wouldn’t know me from the Hoopskirts guy or Goody Goody. 
 

I'm not aware that Bubba is a good fundraiser, but I agree he is a nice guy. 
 

I make no claim to know more about football than the UND officials. As to the self proclaimed experts on this site, I would be happy to site down and buy you a beer and let you figure out what I may have learned. I may have some experiences  regarding turning losing programs around, how quickly successful programs can fail and football at different levels from HS to the NFL that has helped me form my opinions.  Having said that I’m fully aware many aren’t interested in my opinions. 
 

I had nothing to do with hiring nor extending this coaching staff. I have no idea what your life experiences are, but I would only align myself with those I could count on to bring the needed experience, talent and passion necessary to succeed.  I judge those I will team up with  as to whether or not I would want to go to war with them. If you fail there, you can end up dead. That’s why watching someone else play football isn’t as important to me.  If you fail here you can lose your job and have a bunch of rubes like us argue as to how to make that happen. 
 

 

 

Let’s start with life experience in leadership #1:

-you need to realize in life there is something larger than yourself.

Until that can be realized, you can’t make the sacrifices necessary to achieve greatness. 

UND football and the recent decisions made do not reflect this important principle. 

And for the sake of argument, I’ll throw the definition of insanity in there also; “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results” is the definition of insanity per Albert Einstein

Bill Walsh also said “all champions behave like champions before they’re champions”.

All in all, I feel UND athletic department leadership has failed to apply these basic but fundamental principles to important decision-making. 

[UNDBIZ]

16 hours ago, forksandspoons said:

So und donors have to pony up to pay for Chaves’ extension mistake? Lol makes sense 

Unfortunately donors are the only source of funds for something like this.  Academic side of the university would riot if UND funneled an extra $1 million to athletics to buy out a football coach, and I wouldn't blame them.  I agree that Chaves should be fired right along side Bubba for giving the extension to begin with.

[Siouxperman8]

12 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Let’s start with life experience in leadership #1:

-you need to realize in life there is something larger than yourself.

Until that can be realized, you can’t make the sacrifices necessary to achieve greatness. 

UND football and the recent decisions made do not reflect this important principle. 

And for the sake of argument, I’ll throw the definition of insanity in there also; “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results” is the definition of insanity per Albert Einstein

Bill Walsh also said “all champions behave like champions before they’re champions”.

All in all, I feel UND athletic department leadership has failed to apply these basic but fundamental principles to important decision-making. 

As a former college fb coach, medical doctor and veteran who served in a war zone, Ira doesn't need a reminder that - you need to realize in life there is something larger than yourself.   

[GoodGood]

11 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

As a former college fb coach, medical doctor and veteran who served in a war zone, Ira doesn't need a reminder that - you need to realize in life there is something larger than yourself.   

The guy that referred to me as Goody Goody and @HoopsFan03 as hoopskirt? Lot of respect for that guy! Very mature! 

[gundy1124]

11 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

The guy that referred to me as Goody Goody and @HoopsFan03 as hoopskirt? Lot of respect for that guy! Very mature! 

Sense of Humor to match??  I briefly reviewed the long posts and angst among UND Football fans and we are clearly in decline and/or defeated, football team and fan base.

[iramurphy]

20 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

The guy that referred to me as Goody Goody and @HoopsFan03 as hoopskirt? Lot of respect for that guy! Very mature! 

Considering how some of you guys can dish it out, you seem a bit sensitive. Maybe you could wear green bracelets to identify with like minded “experts” so you will always know who it’s safe to talk to. (Apparently, the blue bracelets seem to be the working for an another group of people who are upset).

 

[The Sicatoka]

Treading very close to politics ... beware ... 

[GoodGood]

1 hour ago, iramurphy said:

Considering how some of you guys can dish it out, you seem a bit sensitive. Maybe you could wear green bracelets to identify with like minded “experts” so you will always know who it’s safe to talk to. (Apparently, the blue bracelets seem to be the working for an another group of people who are upset).

 

You can hear my tears as they drop over the phone 

[iramurphy]

Geez guys. This is entertainment for my group therapy companions at the nursing home. They chuckled at my dig at 2 of you but one old guy and 2 old ladies pissed their depends laughing at my obvious inappropriate comment regarding bracelets. Good Good you are right I’m not always mature. 
 

[fightingsioux4life]

Let's not start turning on each other. Our enemy is mediocrity and lack of standards, not each other.

[Siouxperman8]

had conversation with MVFC official today. He didn’t work this game but said when they picked up the flag with no penalty on USD after the intentional grounding was discussed in weekly officials meeting.  Head guy brought it up as a bad miss.  Official that got his nose in there and said receiver in area - wasn’t his call at all. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

Hard to keep supporting this circus. When competent decisions are finally being made, it will be easier then. In the meantime, bare minimum effort and dollar will be spent. No more money spent on seats and tailgating until changes are made, but I’ll proudly donate towards a buyout. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

10 hours ago, Siouxperman8 said:

As a former college fb coach, medical doctor and veteran who served in a war zone, Ira doesn't need a reminder that - you need to realize in life there is something larger than yourself.   

That’s good, but some others still need a reminder.  That principle still stands regardless, and it wasn’t directed at any individual on this board. @iramurphy or anyone else on this fan board isn’t the issue - the issue is the UND athletic department still keeping a mediocre football coach in position. I suppose some individuals on here could be an indirect issue if they were advocating for ongoing mediocrity via UND officials.