2024 Non-UND FCS Thread

[wheelsup]

Just now, Bison06 said:

D2 wins don’t count, so ndsu has one more DI win. This isn’t a conspiracy 

They literally lost their last game of the year to a team that has a very similar record and a good argument for a higher seed.. I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy.. I’m saying that only in bisonville does this make sense.. if this game was 5 weeks ago I would get it.. but it was yesterday.. 

[FSSD]

1 minute ago, Bison06 said:

It’s a 3 way tie with the teams beating each other so how would you have separated them?

I was simply calling out your flawed logic.  I would go #2 SDSU they are the AQ.  All schools agreed on this approach prior to the season.  Seems simple to me.  After that you compare NDSU and USD.  Yesterday answered that and you said Head to Head matters.  So, I would put USD #3.  And NDSU #4, they knew the AQ rules at the start of the season.  And they had everything in front of them and they literally !@#$ the bed.

[Bison06]

2 minutes ago, FSSD said:

I was simply calling out your flawed logic.  I would go #2 SDSU they are the AQ.  All schools agreed on this approach prior to the season.  Seems simple to me.  After that you compare NDSU and USD.  Yesterday answered that and you said Head to Head matters.  So, I would put USD #3.  And NDSU #4, they knew the AQ rules at the start of the season.  And they had everything in front of them and they literally !@#$ the bed.

I could be wrong, but where does recency of loss come into play in the criteria?

the three teams were basically tied. The strength of schedule is what separated them.

[gfhockey]

When can chavez be on the committee so ndsu gets job ed

[FSSD]

37 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

I could be wrong, but where does recency of loss come into play in the criteria?

Stay on point, you asked for my approach.  I laid it out for you.  What does recency have to due with what I posted? 

[Sioux27]

4 minutes ago, FSSD said:

I was simply calling out your flawed logic.  I would go #2 SDSU they are the AQ.  All schools agreed on this approach prior to the season.  Seems simple to me.  After that you compare NDSU and USD.  Yesterday answered that and you said Head to Head matters.  So, I would put USD #3.  And NDSU #4, they knew the AQ rules at the start of the season.  And they had everything in front of them and they literally !@#$ the bed.

Does AQ factor into seeding?  I really don't know.

[gfhockey]

When does quality of losses come in to olay

[Bison06]

Just now, FSSD said:

Stay on point, you asked for my approach.  I layed it out for you.  What does recency have to due with what I posted? 

Responded to a few different posts. Sorry ill address your post directly.

As I’ve said, I think you could have put them in any order 2-4 and an argument could be made. Strength of schedule ndsu is the clear winner, so I have to imagine that was the conversation behind closed doors. 
 

I’m not arguing that it’s obvious that ndsu is head and shoulders above the other two. I’m saying that with the way the season played out, the margin between those three teams is minuscule and it appears SoS is what separated them. This makes the most sense to me.

[FSSD]

32 minutes ago, Sioux27 said:

Does AQ factor into seeding?  I really don't know.

I am not sure about the National Level.  But, Matt Larson was the conference rep and he was aware of how the conference makes it's decision and he should be advacating the conference's position.  The AQ was SDSU, all school in conference agreed to this approach.

[Hawkster]

Committee just wants NDSU in Frisco because they can sell more tickets and more Bud Light.   You know it's true.

[Sioux27]

4 minutes ago, FSSD said:

I am not sure about the National Level.  But, Matt Larson was the conference rep and he was aware of how the conference makes it's decision and he should be advacating the conference's position.  The AQ was SDSU, add school in conference agreed to this approach.

I did hear during the Bison/USD game that Larson is not allowed (not sure how) to be a factor in the decision if his school is involved.  Not sure how they accomplish this and I would guess its smoke in mirrors.

[FSSD]

1 minute ago, Bison06 said:

Responded to a few different posts. Sorry ill address your post directly.

As I’ve said, I think you could have put them in any order 2-4 and an argument could be made. Strength of schedule ndsu is the clear winner, so I have to imagine that was the conversation behind closed doors. 
 

I’m not arguing that it’s obvious that ndsu is head and shoulders above the other two. I’m saying that with the way the season played out, the margin between those three teams is minuscule and it appears SoS is what separated them. This makes the most sense to me.

You and I can go back and fourth finding stats.  What I am saying is that agreements matter, your word matters.  So, the agreement that NDSU/SDSU/USD and all of the MVFC had on how to decide this exact scenario should be followed through to it logical conclusion.  SDSU is the AQ.  If a seed comes down to three conference schools for that seed.  It should go to the AQ.  SDSU has every right to be upset and should be calling out the conference commionsioner.... 

Let's see, what has Larson done since he has been conference rep...   allowed the breaking of rules on hosting home games (impacting a conference rival UND) which has lead to a complete reworking of the playoffs system.  Now, completely ignoring a conference AQ. (once again impacting a conference rival SDSU)  At this point, it really calls into question how is he representing the best interests of the MVFC?  It is clear he has no integrity.  And at this point IMO, the school President needs to start asking questions.  As all NDSU fans say, athletics is the front proch of the school.  What message is he sending on behalf of the school?  Agreements don't matter.  Really?!?

[Bison06]

1 minute ago, FSSD said:

You and I can go back and fourth finding stats.  What I am saying is that agreements matter, your word matters.  So, the agreement that NDSU/SDSU/USD and all of the MVFC had on how to decide this exact scenario should be followed through to it logical conclusion.  SDSU is the AQ.  If a seed comes down to three conference schools for that seed.  It should go to the AQ.  SDSU has every right to be upset and should be calling out the conference commionsioner.... 

Let's see, what has Larson done since he has been conference rep...   allowed the breaking of rules on hosting home games (impacting a conference rival UND) which has lead to a complete reworking of the playoffs system.  Now, completely ignoring a conference AQ. (once again impacting a conference rival SDSU)  At this point, it really calls into question how is he representing the best interests of the MVFC?  It is clear he has no integrity.  And at this point IMO, the school President needs to start asking questions.  As all NDSU fans say, athletics is the front proch of the school.  What message is he sending on behalf of the school?  Agreements don't matter.  Really?!?

You make good points. Did their agreement extend to seeding? I honestly don’t know.

[The Sicatoka]

57 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

D2 wins don’t count, so ndsu has one more DI win. This isn’t a conspiracy 

That’s the best answer however the bunnies are higher in Massey and Sagarin. 

[JohnboyND7]

6 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

You make good points. Did their agreement extend to seeding? I honestly don’t know.

Not sure the MVFC can order the committee to seed the AQ higher than others. That would fall outside the conference's jurisdiction. 

NDSU had an additional D1 win, and people seem to be ignoring that they have an additional "good" win over Illinois State that neither USD or SDSU have.

I doubt the NCAA is particularly concerned with helping anyone get to Frisco. Any combination of the top 4 seeds making it to the championship will bring plenty of fans.

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, Bison06 said:

D2 wins don’t count, so ndsu has one more DI win. This isn’t a conspiracy 

Lotta cope around here. 

[FSSD]

1 hour ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Not sure the MVFC can order the committee to seed the AQ higher than others. That would fall outside the conference's jurisdiction. 

NDSU had an additional D1 win, and people seem to be ignoring that they have an additional "good" win over Illinois State that neither USD or SDSU have.

I doubt the NCAA is particularly concerned with helping anyone get to Frisco. Any combination of the top 4 seeds making it to the championship will bring plenty of fans.

You are correct MVFC commissioner can not call the NCAA and say this is our team.  But, the conference representative can say the following in the meetings.  We as a conference have decided this is the best approach for handling this situation. 

Think about it, why would you want other conferences gaming the system for themselves.  In this example, you have 4 clear cut teams for the top 4 seeds - 1 of them is the number 1 and the 3 others are from the same conference.  You now allowing the conference of the number 1 seed to decide it's path to Frisco.  Is this in the best interest of the MVFC?  I would say no.  And looking at the brackets, the Big Sky got exactly what they wanted.  A home game against USD to get to Frisco.  And is the team facing them in Frisco going to give the MVFC it's best chance to win?

[Kab]

Amazing how ndsu fans come here to spread their bull sh it 

[Oxbow6]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

That’s the best answer however the bunnies are higher in Massey and Sagarin. 

UND still in top 20 in both??

Asking for Bubba and Chaves.

[Bison06]

13 minutes ago, Kab said:

Amazing how ndsu fans come here to spread their bull sh it 

What bull$%!# is that? Seemed like a pretty good discussion filled with factual information. 

[The Sicatoka]

12 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

UND still in top 20 in both??

Asking for Bubba and Chaves.

Massey 22

Sagarin note updated yet

[The Sicatoka]

Both Montanas

Both South Dakotas 

NDSU 

Idaho

… 

[Shawn-O]

17 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Both Montanas

Both South Dakotas 

NDSU 

Idaho

… 

We’re the Idaho State of the East.  Yippee! 

[The Sicatoka]

3 minutes ago, Shawn-O said:

We’re the Idaho State of the East.  Yippee! 

You see it too. 

[JackJD]

With NDSU, USD and SDSU all claiming a share of the conference title, the Sagarin rating was the conference’s agreed method for resolving which team could claim the automatic qualifier for the playoffs. The AQ had no bearing on the selection committee’s process for determining seeding and matchups.  Had NDSU won in Vermillion, or if SDSU had lost at Missouri State, the Sagarin rating would not have been a topic on any fan message board.

I think most SDSU fans recognize that SDSU playing DII Augustana and USD playing DII Northern State, were factors in the committee’s work. In SDSU’s case, the decision to play Augie was a late call – SDSU was contracted to host FCS (WAC) Utah Tech (formerly Dixie State out of St. George, UT) but Utah Tech backed out. I don’t know anything about USD’s scheduling decision but that decision took on added significance when Portland State cancelled USD’s game after USD flew in to Portland only to hear PSU's team had been exposed to pertussis (a fact PSU knew for a day or two before USD got on the plane)…it was likely USD would have won that game but instead ended up with one less DI game on its schedule.

It seems hard to argue with Montana State’s #1 seed or NDSU’s #2 seed based on win/loss and more detailed season stats. In my view, USD’s win over NDSU should have been a discussion point in the committee’s deliberations – should a losing team be seeded higher than a team that just beat them? -- but what weight was given to that point in light of other factors is beyond me. My guess is the committee thought a little about what could happen if the brackets permitted SDSU meeting NDSU in Frisco, a repeat of the 2022 game (boring to the rest of the country; or, if the brackets permitted SDSU playing USD in Frisco.  What is the interest in playoffs for fans whose favorite team is not located in Montana or one of the Dakotas?

I think you’ll find very little griping by SDSU fans about the bracket and seeding. Sure, there are some personal preferences about whether we end up in Fargo or Bozeman if we get through the preliminary rounds; but, I think the Jacks faithful take a note from our coach and the team: we’ll play anybody, anywhere. To get to Frisco means we have to go through some very good teams (cue the “last play” and “one game at a time” mantras).

Jacks fans are guardedly optimistic right now.  Since mid-season, the Jacks have looked like and played like the Jacks teams of the past couple of seasons. In some respects, we may be better.  The adjustment to the loss of a great senior class now well represented in the NFL, took longer than we thought but now, much like last season and the playoffs, we have been crushing teams. This past weekend, a pretty good Missouri State team could only score 9 points at home – three field goals.

Best of luck to UND working through the discussions about whether a coaching change is warranted.  That’s a tough decision that impacts all of the teams in the conference.