2024 Non-UND FCS Thread

[Hammersmith]

2 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

It was gifted. It terms of recency, strong arguments for USD and SDSU to be higher than NDSU. USD beat NDSU head-to-head just yesterday and SDSU is most recent back-to-back national champions. Sure, I understand those aren’t the “criteria”, but still crap that NDSU and their arrogant asshole fans are again *gifted* with more home games.

If USD had beaten NDSU by 2 or 3 scores(especially if the win had been in Fargo), then I would completely agree with you. But it was a 1pt win in Vermillion with the wining score coming in the last 30sec. To me, that's basically a tie. Same with the SDSU win over USD, and the NDSU win over SDSU. So with those three teams all at the same level, you have to go to the rest of the resume, and NDSU has a small but real advantage there.

I wouldn't have been upset with NDSU at 3 or 4, but they do have the best case for the 2.

[gfhockey]

USD gets jobbed maybe committee thought they were und 

[Stand4Anthem]

15 hours ago, Stand4Anthem said:

Mt St

NDSU

DAVIS

SDSU

USD/Idaho St—-5/6

NDSU had the toughest SOS in FCS which gives them the 2–committee will try and setup non conf semis possibly? None of the 2-5 should bitch too much—all had chances but didn’t win when needed—SD schools non D1 wins will hurt them I believe and push them to 4 and 5/6

How do you separate those 3 teams? Point differential which isn’t used in conference autobid would have favored NDSU—3 teams are all deserving but the only thing separating them was NDSU SOS and more D1 wins—I think the SD schools playing D2 schools hurt them and put them down to 3-4–like I said  none of them should be bitching about seeds—-win one more winnable game and you are 1 if NDSU and the yotes or SDSU would have been 2 behind Mt St—honestly thought they might move Davis up but they got that right putting 3 Dakota schools at 2-4–also think the yotes going to Bozeman possibly is/might be better than going to Brookings or Fargo in semis—still think SDSU is the best valley team but can’t argue with the order they were seeded((you can but lots of views/opinions going to all 3 of them)

[F'n Hawks]

Illinois State wasn’t even that good and they are the 12 seed. In the current state of the FCS it shouldn’t take much to turn things around.

[Kab]

If UND was 7 and 5 they wouldn’t get in with Matt Larson the chair of section committee 

[UND-FB-FAN]

23 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Earned not gifted. Your anti ndsu bias is clouding your judgement. Ndsu had the best strength of schedule in the country and didn’t have a D2 win. 

 

19 minutes ago, Hammersmith said:

If USD had beaten NDSU by 2 or 3 scores(especially if the win had been in Fargo), then I would completely agree with you. But it was a 1pt win in Vermillion with the wining score coming in the last 30sec. To me, that's basically a tie. Same with the SDSU win over USD, and the NDSU win over SDSU. So with those three teams all at the same level, you have to go to the rest of the resume, and NDSU has a small but real advantage there.

I wouldn't have been upset with NDSU at 3 or 4, but they do have the best case for the 2.

Biased? Absolutely, and that’s not changing. 
You know who is also biased? Matt Larsen, NDSU AD, who is on the selection committee. He’s as corrupt as the school he represents, so I’m going with that as the explanation for NDSU No. 2.  

[FSSD]

32 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Gifted isn’t the right word. Could have swapped 2,3,4 in any order and nobody would really have a strong complaint. SDSU can’t jump NDSU with the head to head and usd can’t jump sdsu with their head to head. The D2 wins were the difference I’d imagine.

But USD can't jump NDSU due to head to head?

[Bison06]

Just now, FSSD said:

But USD can't jump NDSU due to head to head?

It’s a 3 way tie with the teams beating each other so how would you have separated them?

[Bison06]

Just now, UND-FB-FAN said:

 

Biased? Absolutely, and that’s not changing. 
You know who is also biased? Matt Larsen, NDSU AD, who is on the selection committee. He’s as corrupt as the school he represents, so I’m going with that as the explanation for NDSU No. 2.  

Ndsu bad, I get it.

[UND-FB-FAN]

Just now, Bison06 said:

Ndsu bad, I get it.

For several reasons, yes. 

[wheelsup]

Ndsu had a case for the #2.. but it was an absolute gift.. there was little to no separation between NDSU, SDSU and USD.. purely based on their head to head and recency  I would give it to USD.  All three head to head games were super close and the strength of schedules were also very comparable.. I just happen to believe beating NDSU and losing to SDSU in overtime is better than either of the other twos case.. they both got extra credit for more name recognition 

[Bison06]

Just now, wheelsup said:

Ndsu had a case for the #2.. but it was an absolute gift.. there was little to no separation between NDSU, SDSU and USD.. purely based on their head to head and recency  I would give it to USD.  All three head to head games were super close and the strength of schedules were also very comparable.. I just happen to believe beating NDSU and losing to SDSU in overtime is better than either of the other twos case.. they both got extra credit for more name recognition 

D2 wins don’t count, so ndsu has one more DI win. This isn’t a conspiracy 

[wheelsup]

Just now, Bison06 said:

D2 wins don’t count, so ndsu has one more DI win. This isn’t a conspiracy 

They literally lost their last game of the year to a team that has a very similar record and a good argument for a higher seed.. I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy.. I’m saying that only in bisonville does this make sense.. if this game was 5 weeks ago I would get it.. but it was yesterday.. 

[FSSD]

1 minute ago, Bison06 said:

It’s a 3 way tie with the teams beating each other so how would you have separated them?

I was simply calling out your flawed logic.  I would go #2 SDSU they are the AQ.  All schools agreed on this approach prior to the season.  Seems simple to me.  After that you compare NDSU and USD.  Yesterday answered that and you said Head to Head matters.  So, I would put USD #3.  And NDSU #4, they knew the AQ rules at the start of the season.  And they had everything in front of them and they literally !@#$ the bed.

[Bison06]

2 minutes ago, FSSD said:

I was simply calling out your flawed logic.  I would go #2 SDSU they are the AQ.  All schools agreed on this approach prior to the season.  Seems simple to me.  After that you compare NDSU and USD.  Yesterday answered that and you said Head to Head matters.  So, I would put USD #3.  And NDSU #4, they knew the AQ rules at the start of the season.  And they had everything in front of them and they literally !@#$ the bed.

I could be wrong, but where does recency of loss come into play in the criteria?

the three teams were basically tied. The strength of schedule is what separated them.

[gfhockey]

When can chavez be on the committee so ndsu gets job ed

[FSSD]

37 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

I could be wrong, but where does recency of loss come into play in the criteria?

Stay on point, you asked for my approach.  I laid it out for you.  What does recency have to due with what I posted? 

[Sioux27]

4 minutes ago, FSSD said:

I was simply calling out your flawed logic.  I would go #2 SDSU they are the AQ.  All schools agreed on this approach prior to the season.  Seems simple to me.  After that you compare NDSU and USD.  Yesterday answered that and you said Head to Head matters.  So, I would put USD #3.  And NDSU #4, they knew the AQ rules at the start of the season.  And they had everything in front of them and they literally !@#$ the bed.

Does AQ factor into seeding?  I really don't know.

[gfhockey]

When does quality of losses come in to olay

[Bison06]

Just now, FSSD said:

Stay on point, you asked for my approach.  I layed it out for you.  What does recency have to due with what I posted? 

Responded to a few different posts. Sorry ill address your post directly.

As I’ve said, I think you could have put them in any order 2-4 and an argument could be made. Strength of schedule ndsu is the clear winner, so I have to imagine that was the conversation behind closed doors. 
 

I’m not arguing that it’s obvious that ndsu is head and shoulders above the other two. I’m saying that with the way the season played out, the margin between those three teams is minuscule and it appears SoS is what separated them. This makes the most sense to me.

[FSSD]

32 minutes ago, Sioux27 said:

Does AQ factor into seeding?  I really don't know.

I am not sure about the National Level.  But, Matt Larson was the conference rep and he was aware of how the conference makes it's decision and he should be advacating the conference's position.  The AQ was SDSU, all school in conference agreed to this approach.

[Hawkster]

Committee just wants NDSU in Frisco because they can sell more tickets and more Bud Light.   You know it's true.

[Sioux27]

4 minutes ago, FSSD said:

I am not sure about the National Level.  But, Matt Larson was the conference rep and he was aware of how the conference makes it's decision and he should be advacating the conference's position.  The AQ was SDSU, add school in conference agreed to this approach.

I did hear during the Bison/USD game that Larson is not allowed (not sure how) to be a factor in the decision if his school is involved.  Not sure how they accomplish this and I would guess its smoke in mirrors.

[FSSD]

1 minute ago, Bison06 said:

Responded to a few different posts. Sorry ill address your post directly.

As I’ve said, I think you could have put them in any order 2-4 and an argument could be made. Strength of schedule ndsu is the clear winner, so I have to imagine that was the conversation behind closed doors. 
 

I’m not arguing that it’s obvious that ndsu is head and shoulders above the other two. I’m saying that with the way the season played out, the margin between those three teams is minuscule and it appears SoS is what separated them. This makes the most sense to me.

You and I can go back and fourth finding stats.  What I am saying is that agreements matter, your word matters.  So, the agreement that NDSU/SDSU/USD and all of the MVFC had on how to decide this exact scenario should be followed through to it logical conclusion.  SDSU is the AQ.  If a seed comes down to three conference schools for that seed.  It should go to the AQ.  SDSU has every right to be upset and should be calling out the conference commionsioner.... 

Let's see, what has Larson done since he has been conference rep...   allowed the breaking of rules on hosting home games (impacting a conference rival UND) which has lead to a complete reworking of the playoffs system.  Now, completely ignoring a conference AQ. (once again impacting a conference rival SDSU)  At this point, it really calls into question how is he representing the best interests of the MVFC?  It is clear he has no integrity.  And at this point IMO, the school President needs to start asking questions.  As all NDSU fans say, athletics is the front proch of the school.  What message is he sending on behalf of the school?  Agreements don't matter.  Really?!?

[Bison06]

1 minute ago, FSSD said:

You and I can go back and fourth finding stats.  What I am saying is that agreements matter, your word matters.  So, the agreement that NDSU/SDSU/USD and all of the MVFC had on how to decide this exact scenario should be followed through to it logical conclusion.  SDSU is the AQ.  If a seed comes down to three conference schools for that seed.  It should go to the AQ.  SDSU has every right to be upset and should be calling out the conference commionsioner.... 

Let's see, what has Larson done since he has been conference rep...   allowed the breaking of rules on hosting home games (impacting a conference rival UND) which has lead to a complete reworking of the playoffs system.  Now, completely ignoring a conference AQ. (once again impacting a conference rival SDSU)  At this point, it really calls into question how is he representing the best interests of the MVFC?  It is clear he has no integrity.  And at this point IMO, the school President needs to start asking questions.  As all NDSU fans say, athletics is the front proch of the school.  What message is he sending on behalf of the school?  Agreements don't matter.  Really?!?

You make good points. Did their agreement extend to seeding? I honestly don’t know.