ArtVandalay Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 No because I think reaching the BSC title game last year was a fluke for the MBB team, a fluke that I do not think will be repeated in the coming years under Jones. So when he does win it's a fluke. Man, tough crowd. "Coach, we are gonna have to let you go. Even though you reached the BSC title game. We think it was a fluke. Therefore, it's time to go. Didn't really happen or ah, er, we didn't think you could do it but you did but that doesn't matter. It was just a fluke" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 No because I think reaching the BSC title game last year was a fluke for the MBB team, a fluke that I do not think will be repeated in the coming years under Jones. Pretty tough to call it a fluke when they were a rattled 3 pointer away from doing it the year before. I have no disagreements on Jones OOC record among other things but his teams have played their best basketball at the end of the year and in conference tournaments. Making the Big Sky championship game last year was no fluke. Don't forget Glen Mason at Minnesota. He loaded up on a soft non-conference schedule, which allowed him to get to 6 wins and be bowl eligible even while getting destroyed by the B1G elite. But he forgot one little detail; you must win the crappy bowl game you get or else. That is what doomed him in the end. Now they are building a better program with Jerry Kill. They also hired Tim Brewster in between and their program got worse before it got better. Kind of an important detail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 The other thing that isn't instilling any confidence in myself or others I have talked to: recruiting. Nine transfers on one roster is not recruiting. If he had a nice base of high school kids and a few transfers to plug holes, then one could project out and say things will get better. When the base of your team is transfers that does not give the fans any hope that he is going to be build anything. It says he is trying for a quick fix and flying by the seat of his pants, year to year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 They also hired Tim Brewster in between and their program got worse before Kill. Kind of an important detail. But they were also smart enough to realize their mistake and did what had to be done. Some people on here did not want to do what had to be done with regard to Mussman and the FB program about one year ago; all they gave us was the standard "Muss isn't out there playing, so it's not his fault" line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambone Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Take a look through some old box scores and I bet you will find that UND gets outscored in the second half, more often than not. Other teams make adjustments, where UND does not seem to. I don't like getting involved in the fire coaches thread, but this is what stands out to me and gives me concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 They also hired Tim Brewster in between and their program got worse before it got better. Kind of an important detail. ...and fired him promptly once they realize the mistake. Give them credit for admitting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 So when he does win it's a fluke. Man, tough crowd. "Coach, we are gonna have to let you go. Even though you reached the BSC title game. We think it was a fluke. Therefore, it's time to go. Didn't really happen or ah, er, we didn't think you could do it but you did but that doesn't matter. It was just a fluke" Then what about the back to back debacles vs. Minnesota and NDSU? And what about the horrible road record? Those are things that cannot be just ignored and swept under the rug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Then what about the back to back debacles vs. Minnesota and NDSU? And what about the horrible road record? Those are things that cannot be just ignored and swept under the rug. Get it straight. Top half of conference and a .100 OOC road record is all that can be expected. On the hockey front, 6 national semi-finals appearances in ten years is grounds for a dismissal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 ...and fired him promptly once they realize the mistake. Give them credit for admitting it. He did turn a 6-7 team into a 1-11 team and still got almost 3 more years after that. Brewster coached almost 4 years of his 5 year contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I'm not advocating a firing as of today. And I don't see it happening barring a complete disaster in conference, which I don't see coming and certainly don't wish for. That said, I think it's a legitimate discussion to talk about other coaching options out there. It's a discussion board. If Hakstol was .100 OOC road during his run I wonder what tune you'd be whistling? It would be interesting to see what the break down of those 100 games and how many of them were on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 He did turn a 6-7 team into a 1-11 team and still got almost 3 more years after that. Brewster coached almost 4 years of his 5 year contract. Why do you think he got to year 4 of a 5 year contract? $$$$$ They gave him a shot to fix it which all coaches get, he didnt, and fired him once the buyout was low enough. They didn't keep extending him for doing a below average job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 They also hired Tim Brewster in between and their program got worse before it got better. Kind of an important detail. I didn't think that Mason was that bad of a coach either. JMHO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I didn't think that Mason was that bad of a coach either. JMHO... He alienated the MN high school coaches to the point of no return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 It would be interesting to see what the break down of those 100 games and how many of them were on the road. He is saying his winning percentage is .100 on the road 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Then what about the back to back debacles vs. Minnesota and NDSU? And what about the horrible road record? Those are things that cannot be just ignored and swept under the rug. Understood. But the MN game needs to be held in context. It's a money game with a superior big ten team. That type of loss is to be expected especially in rebuilding year. Ndsu was rifled by Texas and Iowa by 35 each as well. The ndsu game was a bad loss. No question. Just as it was a bad loss for them vs us last year. It just happens some time. One game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 But they were also smart enough to realize their mistake and did what had to be done. Some people on here did not want to do what had to be done with regard to Mussman and the FB program about one year ago; all they gave us was the standard "Muss isn't out there playing, so it's not his fault" line. Trust me. If Tim brewster had lost in the big ten title game, they wouldn't have fired him the next year after a bad loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Trust me. If Tim brewster had lost in the big ten title game, they wouldn't have fired him the next year after a bad loss. Apples and Oranges my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 The Weekly Live Chat should be interesting this afternoon. http://undhockey.areavoices.com/?p=99132 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Apples and Oranges my friend. Convenient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Why do you think he got to year 4 of a 5 year contract? $$$$$ They gave him a shot to fix it which all coaches get, he didnt, and fired him once the buyout was low enough. They didn't keep extending him for doing a below average job. Exactly. Which is the same reason Jones will likely have the rest of this year and next year to get it figured out. After the 2013 season (first D-1) where his team finished 3rd in the Big Sky and was a missed 3 pointer away from making the conference championship, he had 2 years left on his contract and they added two more and brought his salary to slightly over $100K. He has 1 1/2 years to change people's mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Exactly. Which is the same reason Jones will likely have the rest of this year and next year to get it figured out. After the 2013 season (first D-1) where his team finished 3rd in the Big Sky and was a missed 3 pointer away from making the conference championship, he had 2 years left on his contract and they added two more and brought his salary to slightly over $100K. He has 1 1/2 years to change people's mind. I get what you are saying. But this is contact #3 for Jones over nine years. How many chances/contracts does he get to prove himself? Maturi was smart enough (dumb enough to hire him) to not extend Brewster at all once he saw the product he was getting on and off the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I get what you are saying. But this is contact #3 for Jones over nine years. How many chances/contracts does he get to prove himself? Maturi was smart enough (dumb enough to hire him) to not extend Brewster at all once he saw the product he was getting on and off the field. For better or worse, the transition to D-1 worked in Jones favor. He has been able to buy himself enough time to prove it. The dollar amount of the contract tells me the AD isn't completely sold either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Convenient. You really think winning the BSC MBB auto bid is similar to winning the B1G Football Championship game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 You really think winning the BSC MBB auto bid is similar to winning the B1G Football Championship game? It's all relative. No question. Just because it is a better league doesn't mean you can't apply the same logic. Firing a coach despite runner up finish in conference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Convenient. 9 years....9 years without 1 signature win and you don't have enough fingers and toes to count up all the bad losses. But according to you a 3rd and 2nd place finish in the BS puts it all in perspective. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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