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[UNDfaninMICH]

1 hour ago, Sioux94 said:

Does anybody know how much it costs for the football team to make a trip?  Let's say a trip to Cal Poly.....what are the costs of something like that.  I have no idea how much a charter is....maybe 75k  10k for hotel, 10k for food, 5k for busing and other misc. would be 100k total.  Not sure if that is anywhere in the ball park or not.  However i was thinking about the NAIA since I grew up in Dickinson and watched the Blue Hawks. First round of the playoffs where usually a bus trip, but as you go further had to be a flight.  I can't imagine most NAIA schools getting more than 4k attendance.  How was the NAIA able to pick up the costs of that?  I remember one year DSU went out to play Central Washington, pretty sure it was them anyway......and John Kitna was their QB.  Dickinson lost of course.   Who knows maybe they did a 20 hour bus ride though and I just don't remember because I probably wasn't caring about that type of thing then.

It's too bad that it has to come down to money in that first round.  I can see needing a minimum amount, and if you meet the minimum amount you get to host....that wouldn't be too bad.  Highest bidder will may be our advantage a few times in the future if we aren't going up against some of the big name schools.  But if we are playing a smaller school sometime and we are seeded 20th and they are 10th, we should really have to go play there and not get the home game just because we can bid more.  

To me it seems like the loser of the Sam Houston game should drop out of the top 8 guaranteed, this is their chance to prove they belong in the top 8 and if they lose they are out.  This would move us up, and unless SDSU blows out UNI 45-10 or something I don't think a win against a below .500 team should make you jump somebody else. Especially when you have a common opponent and we beat them and they lost. 

Shouldn't we have concern that a close win by SHSU over Central Arkansas will make the committee feel validated in their current rankings? Meaning if SHSU is #5 and they barely beat the #7 team, that's about what they predicted should happen, so why should Central Arkansas drop from #7? This business of ranking is incredibly flawed, with voters at a minimum subconsciously motivated to keep themselves looking good. That's why when a UNI team that was highly ranked to start the year gets beat repeatedly, every team that beats them is now a great team, rather than any admission of "hey, perhaps we missed on this one".

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

7 hours ago, UNDfaninMICH said:

Shouldn't we have concern that a close win by SHSU over Central Arkansas will make the committee feel validated in their current rankings? Meaning if SHSU is #5 and they barely beat the #7 team, that's about what they predicted should happen, so why should Central Arkansas drop from #7? This business of ranking is incredibly flawed, with voters at a minimum subconsciously motivated to keep themselves looking good. That's why when a UNI team that was highly ranked to start the year gets beat repeatedly, every team that beats them is now a great team, rather than any admission of "hey, perhaps we missed on this one".

When there is formula in place to seed all 24 teams with tie breakers intact, simply that's it, and everyone knows what they have to do or even hope for. And, sure formulas's can get tweaked for the next year, but are in stone during the coarse of the year. The NCAA tournament committee must adhere. 

When humans choose as it is today, well; politics, prejudice, Alma mater(or even home state), who you know, past disagreements with NCAA(our case Fighting Sioux hangover), favorites, teams with better attendance, traditional winners, and so on, may come into the decision process?

[geaux_sioux]

7 hours ago, UNDfaninMICH said:

Shouldn't we have concern that a close win by SHSU over Central Arkansas will make the committee feel validated in their current rankings? Meaning if SHSU is #5 and they barely beat the #7 team, that's about what they predicted should happen, so why should Central Arkansas drop from #7? This business of ranking is incredibly flawed, with voters at a minimum subconsciously motivated to keep themselves looking good. That's why when a UNI team that was highly ranked to start the year gets beat repeatedly, every team that beats them is now a great team, rather than any admission of "hey, perhaps we missed on this one".

Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing.

[geaux_sioux]

4 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

When there is formula in place to seed all 24 teams with tie breakers intact, simply that's it, and everyone knows what they have to do or even hope for. And, sure formulas's can get tweaked for the next year, but are in stone during the coarse of the year. The NCAA tournament committee must adhere. 

When humans choose as it is today, well; politics, prejudice, Alma mater(or even home state), who you know, past disagreements with NCAA(our case Fighting Sioux hangover), favorites, teams with better attendance, traditional winners, and so on, may come into the decision process?

I don't buy the Fighting Sioux hangover. None of these ADs on the committee care about that. What they care about is name recognition and money. We aren't a proven commodity so we're at a disadvantage until we prove our worth.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

15 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

I don't buy the Fighting Sioux hangover. None of these ADs on the committee care about that. What they care about is name recognition and money. We aren't a proven commodity so we're at a disadvantage until we prove our worth.

In all likely hood yes, hope your right. Now, most ADs no, but possible even if it were in the minds of a few, it could make a difference. Now I should of used a proven commodity over traditional winners, that one really seems to carry weight, example N Iowa.

[UND92]

I would like to see 1-16 seeded. 1-8 get byes, 9-16 get home games and 17-24 go to closest venue/regionalization.

[Dustin]

12 minutes ago, UND92 said:

I would like to see 1-16 seeded. 1-8 get byes, 9-16 get home games and 17-24 go to closest venue/regionalization.

Sounds like a nice compromise. Really, how much difference could there be from 17 to 24?  Regionalization makes sense after 16. 

[geaux_sioux]

26 minutes ago, UND92 said:

I would like to see 1-16 seeded. 1-8 get byes, 9-16 get home games and 17-24 go to closest venue/regionalization.

Doesn't work money wise. That's the bottom line. If it was all huge venues that would sell out then I bet they would do it.

[bincitysioux]

Sagarin - 11/27/16

1. NDSU
2. EWU
3. James Madison
4. SDSU
5. UNI
6. Jacksonville St
7. Youngstown
8. Sam Houston
9. Chattanooga
10. Illinois St
11. Central Arkansas
12. The Citadel
13. Villanova
14. Richmond
15. Charleston Southern
16. Wofford
17. Coastal Carolina
18. North Dakota
19. Montana
20. Princeton
21. Western Illinois
22. Samford 
23. New Hampshire
24. South Dakota
25. Lehigh
26. Southern Utah
27. Southern Illinois
28. Northern Arizona
29. Cal Poly
30. Grambling
31. San Diego
32. Colgate
33. Tennessee Martin
34. Albany
35. Liberty
36. Furman
37. Penn
38. Fordham
39. McNeese St
40. Eastern Illinois
41. William & Mary
42. Mercer
43. Indiana St
44. Kennesaw St
45. Maine
46. Weber St
47. NC A&T
48. Stony Brook
49. Northern Colorado
50. Harvard

[UNDColorado]

When a 5-6 team is rated #5, this system is seriously flawed. 

[bincitysioux]

2 hours ago, UNDColorado said:

When a 5-6 team is rated #5, this system is seriously flawed. 

But their schedule was really hard.  And it included away games too.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

That UNI #5 rating makes this poll pretty unreliable.  Remind me next year not to look at it.

[geaux_sioux]

4 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

That UNI #5 rating makes this poll pretty unreliable.  Remind me next year not to look at it.

If you remove a couple statistical anomalies its pretty decent.  But some of those anomalies are pretty hard to overlook...

[Longtime fan]

1 hour ago, bincitysioux said:

But their schedule was really hard.  And it included away games too.

Lol. 

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

On 11/28/2016 at 0:07 PM, Longtime fan said:

Lol. 

And Richmond game UNI a home quality loss in Dec of 2008