North Dakota vs. Minnesota in Las Vegas - October 2018

[gsiouxo]

Wonder how many of these folks willing to dish out bucks for tickets are hunters.....the type of hunter that gets pissed when they have to pay to hunt!!!

I refuse to pay to hunt so hard to pay extra just to get a chance to purchase tickets...

Can't believe they didn't think they could sell out or close at T Mobile.....UND vs MN ....reasonable hotel rates....reasonable flights ....

Someone mentioned be fun if they line up someplace for Sioux fans to watch game in Vegas....especially if their NHL team would be home over this weekend....fun get together and could also catch an NHL game

[Siouxperfan7]

12 minutes ago, AJS said:

I'd be interested to see what they actually did to come up with the decision that the T-Mobile center wasn't feasible. I mean when you can sell out the Orleans with only tickets sold to the Champions club, I would think that would be a hint that you'd probably sell a few more.

I get they can't afford to lose money, but they also can't afford leaving a potential million dollars of ticket sales on the table (10,000 more seats at T-Mobile). They didn't do enough research obviously, because they were flat out wrong having it at the Orleans.

Did UND lose money at MSG when 12000 fans were there?  Honest question.  

 

[southpaw]

2 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

Did UND lose money at MSG when 12000 fans were there?  Honest question.  

 

No but that mainly has to do with UND not being the "host" of the game.  The NCHC teamed up with MSG to put on the game and invited UND and BC.  UND didn't really have much invested in that game.

UND also didn't make money off of the game as there wasn't really the opportunity for that.

[Siouxperfan7]

" Officials decided to play the game at Orleans Arena to ensure a profit—T-Mobile would have charged significantly more in rent—and to make sure interest in these showcase games continued to build"

http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/4215941-tickets-und-versus-minnesota-game-las-vegas-immediately-sell-out

[sprig]

1 hour ago, jdub27 said:

Exactly. UND allocated the majority of the tickets to the people who directly support the athletic department. Would have been a pretty cheap investment this year when $135 would have gotten you an easy way to get 2 regional tickets and 4 Vegas tickets.

While I agree with the premise here,  135 would not have gotten you regional tickets. I've donated more than that over the past couple years since moving back to Grand Forks,  and I'm only around 1100 in the priority points list.  Regional tickets did not make it to that level,  although apparently I could have bought Vegas tickets. 

[bigskyvikes]

1 hour ago, southpaw said:

The Ralph didn't even sell out last weekend.  I get that Vegas is a destination trip but let's look at some facts:  MSG was half-full this year, a year after winning a national championship UND hasn't sold out games as consistently in the past, they're only playing one game so you have to assume fewer people are going to make that trip for just the single game.

In hindsight you can believe that UND would sell out an NHL arena (although I don't believe they would for this game), but the costs go up even with more people in the stands.

Weird....They announced it was sold out and I heard it.

[SiouxperDave]

6 minutes ago, sprig said:

While I agree with the premise here,  135 would not have gotten you regional tickets. I've donated more than that over the past couple years since moving back to Grand Forks,  and I'm only around 1100 in the priority points list.  Regional tickets did not make it to that level,  although apparently I could have bought Vegas tickets. 

I'm lower on the list than you and tickets were available for the Regional when I logged in.

[runaroundsioux]

2 minutes ago, sprig said:

While I agree with the premise here,  135 would not have gotten you regional tickets. I've donated more than that over the past couple years since moving back to Grand Forks,  and I'm only around 1100 in the priority points list.  Regional tickets did not make it to that level,  although apparently I could have bought Vegas tickets. 

Sorry Sprig , regional tickets were the same setup as the Vegas tickets. Champions Club members all had a chance. The higher priority numbers had a better chance. Everyone over 800 had a chance at tickets. We were like 1200 and got 2.

[sprig]

Just now, SiouxperDave said:

I'm lower on the list than you and tickets were available for the Regional when I logged in.

Are you talking about the general sale after the Champions club presale?

[runaroundsioux]

Just now, sprig said:

Are you talking about the general sale after the Champions club presale?

I'm talking about the ChampionsClub presale.

[sprig]

1 minute ago, runaroundsioux said:

Sorry Sprig , regional tickets were the same setup as the Vegas tickets. Champions Club members all had a chance. The higher priority numbers had a better chance. Everyone over 800 had a chance at tickets. We were like 1200 and got 2.

I was wrong then,  apparently didn't check in time on the day of the over 800 presale.

[SiouxperDave]

1 minute ago, sprig said:

Are you talking about the general sale after the Champions club presale?

During the presale.

[ksixpack]

1 hour ago, southpaw said:

Was every ticket sold for $100?  If 7,000 were sold to champions club members, that's about $550,000.  Another 3,000 at $99 is another $300,000.  So we're already $150,000 short of the million you suggested.  A school never gets 100% of the ticket price.  In addition to having to rent the arena (way more than $100,000), Orleans also gets a cut of tickets.  What other math are you missing?  That money goes away fast.

In your infinite wisdom please tell me why renting this building would be way more then $100,000?  I can rent the Ralph for less then $200 an hour and it is bigger.  Granted that doesn't include ushers and other employees but lets do the math...for $100,000 you can employ 2500 people for 4 hours at $10/hour.  I don't think there will be that many staff needed!  Also, lets consider that this arena is attached to a hotel, a hotel that they are booking rooms for with this game.  Oh, lets also remember this place has casino...a casino that the 7500 in attendance may gamble in.  Good thing you are not negotiating this deal...they should comp this arena to UND,  not charge them $100,000 + (which they most certainly are not)  I love these non business folks that just throw out these obsurd numbers without doing the math or thinking in a business manner!

[Cratter]

Good luck getting Minnesota to be a pawn in UNDs game ever again.

[Air Force One]

19 minutes ago, sprig said:

While I agree with the premise here,  135 would not have gotten you regional tickets. I've donated more than that over the past couple years since moving back to Grand Forks,  and I'm only around 1100 in the priority points list.  Regional tickets did not make it to that level,  although apparently I could have bought Vegas tickets. 

I have been a Fighting Sioux Club/Champions Club member at the Century level ($135) since 2001 when the Ralph opened and have bonus points for both my wife and I being UND grads with a few other minor donations added in and my priority points are still only in the 1100 range and I got offered regional SRO tickets in Fargo a couple years ago and got two seats this year as well as two seats for the Vegas game.  It can be done.

[Cratter]

Arena rents for way less than $100,000.

10 to 11,000 fans for this game at an NHL arena does not lose money.

[Air Force One]

7 minutes ago, Air Force One said:

I have been a Fighting Sioux Club/Champions Club member at the Century level ($135) since 2001 when the Ralph opened and have bonus points for both my wife and I being UND grads with a few other minor donations added in and my priority points are still only in the 1100 range and I got offered regional SRO tickets in Fargo a couple years ago and got two seats this year as well as two seats for the Vegas game.  It can be done.

Just did some looking.  I emailed to ask my priority list rank on 20 July and it was 1120.  On 18 Dec when they sent me an update on the Vegas game I had fallen back to 1186!

[southpaw]

23 minutes ago, ksixpack said:

In your infinite wisdom please tell me why renting this building would be way more then $100,000?  I can rent the Ralph for less then $200 an hour and it is bigger.  Granted that doesn't include ushers and other employees but lets do the math...for $100,000 you can employ 2500 people for 4 hours at $10/hour.  I don't think there will be that many staff needed!  Also, lets consider that this arena is attached to a hotel, a hotel that they are booking rooms for with this game.  Oh, lets also remember this place has casino...a casino that the 7500 in attendance may gamble in.  Good thing you are not negotiating this deal...they should comp this arena to UND,  not charge them $100,000 + (which they most certainly are not)  I love these non business folks that just throw out these obsurd numbers without doing the math or thinking in a business manner!

I apologize for understanding how large NHL arenas are rented for events like this. Unfortunately, I'm not a "business folk" in that I don't sign the contract. I have spent the last 10 years working in college and professional athletics. 

The T-Mobile arena was built to make money for itself, not to be a comped arena. The attached hotel and casino will have no trouble making boatloads of money on Halloween weekend without UND fans. 

Unfortunately, a hockey arena in Las Vegas costs more than one in Grand Forks. T-Mobile can instead have a concert that will sell out and make more money. That's why the cost is and can be so high. 

[MissSioux85]

This might be an unpopular opnion, but given the smaller venue, I wish UND had only allowed Champions Club members to purchase 6, 4, and 2 tickets maximum instead of 8, 6, and 4. I've seen many comments on Facebook from club members who bought the maximum because they could, not because they needed them. 

8, 6, 4 makes sense for a place like MSG with 17,000+ seats, but Orleans? Did CC members have the same options for the West Regional at Scheels Arena? 

[runaroundsioux]

6 minutes ago, MissSioux85 said:

This might be an unpopular opnion, but given the smaller venue, I wish UND had only allowed Champions Club members to purchase 6, 4, and 2 tickets maximum instead of 8, 6, and 4. I've seen many comments on Facebook from club members who bought the maximum because they could, not because they needed them. 

8, 6, 4 makes sense for a place like MSG with 17,000+ seats, but Orleans? Did CC members have the same options for the West Regional at Scheels Arena? 

6,4 and 2. Top 100-6. Next 300-4. The rest-2.

[southpaw]

7 minutes ago, MissSioux85 said:

This might be an unpopular opnion, but given the smaller venue, I wish UND had only allowed Champions Club members to purchase 6, 4, and 2 tickets maximum instead of 8, 6, and 4. I've seen many comments on Facebook from club members who bought the maximum because they could, not because they needed them. 

8, 6, 4 makes sense for a place like MSG with 17,000+ seats, but Orleans? Did CC members have the same options for the West Regional at Scheels Arena? 

I actually wish it had been capped at 4 each. Could have given those that support und in other ways the chance to buy tickets. 

[ksixpack]

46 minutes ago, southpaw said:

I apologize for understanding how large NHL arenas are rented for events like this. Unfortunately, I'm not a "business folk" in that I don't sign the contract. I have spent the last 10 years working in college and professional athletics. 

The T-Mobile arena was built to make money for itself, not to be a comped arena. The attached hotel and casino will have no trouble making boatloads of money on Halloween weekend without UND fans. 

Unfortunately, a hockey arena in Las Vegas costs more than one in Grand Forks. T-Mobile can instead have a concert that will sell out and make more money. That's why the cost is and can be so high. 

I was referring to Orleans arena not renting for $100,000+. And casinos off the strip are not full on any weekend.  If you want to talk about renting T-Mobile...the extra 10,000 tickets sold at $80 equals $800,000 in lost revenue.  Sure there are extra expenses involved in T-Mobile but if you can't agree that there is a lot of opportunity lost then I am sorry

[cberkas]

UNLV's club team played in T-Mobile Arena this season, so it must not cost too much.

Rick Arpin, the entertainment executive at MGM Resorts International, is a hockey fan and donated $10,000 for UNLV to go to the ACHA National Tournament. This would be the guy to talk to if anyone wants the game at T-Mobile Arena or to see if they want the game there. 

[focker]

so just got home from the wild game and I'm hearing this game is sold out?  can someone confirm?

[tnt]

5 hours ago, MissSioux85 said:

This might be an unpopular opnion, but given the smaller venue, I wish UND had only allowed Champions Club members to purchase 6, 4, and 2 tickets maximum instead of 8, 6, and 4. I've seen many comments on Facebook from club members who bought the maximum because they could, not because they needed them. 

8, 6, 4 makes sense for a place like MSG with 17,000+ seats, but Orleans? Did CC members have the same options for the West Regional at Scheels Arena? 

Agree, the more people you can keep involved, the less likely you are to have apathy in your fan base should you encounter a down year. Nobody will want to jump off the bandwagon for fear of missing out on opportunities like this in the future.