North Dakota vs. Minnesota in Las Vegas - October 2018

[cowboys5xsbs]

1 minute ago, Cratter said:

The best we can hope for is in six years they try again at the NHL arena. 

If they haven't learned from the past fup's I don't have that much hope for the future.  

[cberkas]

2 minutes ago, southpaw said:

 

 

Buying into the champions club this late wouldn't have gotten you tickets.  The allotment sold out.

Precisely.

How many UND fans were in MSG?  The arena was half-full.

So 8,000 tickets at MSG isn't a recent and good look at history?  

UND chose Orleans because there are significant costs associated with an event like this.  Costs that UND has to recover, especially with all of the budget issues surrounding UND.  As a fan, I'm disappointed UND didn't go for T-Mobile, but I completely understand why not the first time around.

UND wouldn't put in Orleans Arena with T-Moble Arena there. Brad said USA Hockey didn't want the game to lose money so that's why is in Orleans Arena.

[Siouxperfan7]

4 minutes ago, cberkas said:

I heard that Foley is trying to get the game in T Moble Arena. 

This guy??????

[jdub27]

15 minutes ago, cberkas said:

If I remember right USA Hockey put the game at Orleans Arena not UND.

What is the U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame Game? The U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame Game is an exempt game, or an extra game, that is played every season in an attempt to generate much‐needed revenue for the U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame and Museum in Eveleth, Minn. Ralph Engelstad Arena purchased the rights to the 2018 U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame Game from the U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame and Museum. This game provides the opportunity for UND and Minnesota to play one additional game above and beyond the NCAA maximum number of games normally allowed in a season. In essence, this is an “extra” regular season game for both UND and Minnesota during the 2018‐2019 season.

Why isn’t the game being played at the new NHL arena that was recently opened up on the Strip? The 2018 U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame Game is being played at the Orleans Arena because the Orleans Arena is the best fit for this event. We absolutely seek to sell out this event and create an electric event atmosphere for all involved. The Orleans Arena will be packed to the rafters, loud, and crazy – the exact type of event atmosphere and life experience that we seek to create. We’ve got a great event partner in the Orleans Hotel and Casino and the Orleans Arena provides the best balance between the event’s anticipated ticket sales and the venue’s capacity for a hockey game.

[southpaw]

1 minute ago, cberkas said:

UND wouldn't put in Orleans Arena with T-Moble Arena there. Brad said USA Hockey didn't want the game to lose money so that's why is in Orleans Arena.

UND paid USA Hockey to buy the rights for the game, in an effort to make money.  Had they bought the rights and then made a deal with T-Mobile, it would have to be a near sellout for UND to break even.

[siouxstudent]

What was the exact breakdown on where these tickets went? Anyone know the numbers?

[jdub27]

6 minutes ago, southpaw said:

Buying into the champions club this late wouldn't have gotten you tickets.  The allotment sold out.

People were still able to get 4 tickets a couple hours after the final round of the presale started, though it was pretty much sold out except for singles shortly after that. As long as you didn't wait, you would have been able to get them. I agree with the rest of your comments though.

[Cratter]

6 minutes ago, southpaw said:

UND thought realistic.  Does 10,000 people in an NHL arena justify the costs? 

Again, what happens when there are 10-11,000 at the arena?  UND loses money.

Yes it easily justifies the costs.

UND doesn't lose money on 10,000 people in the arena. at $100 that a $1,000,000.

Renting the arena is less than $100,000.

[southpaw]

Just now, Cratter said:

UND doesn't lose money on 10,000 people in the arena. at $100 that a $1,000,000.

Renting the arena is less than $100,000.

Renting the arena, buying the rights from USA hockey, travel, etc.  

[AJS]

4 minutes ago, southpaw said:

How many UND fans were in MSG?  The arena was half-full.

So 8,000 tickets at MSG isn't a recent and good look at history?  

UND chose Orleans because there are significant costs associated with an event like this.  Costs that UND has to recover, especially with all of the budget issues surrounding UND.  As a fan, I'm disappointed UND didn't go for T-Mobile, but I completely understand why not the first time around.

You can make an argument about the costs associated w/ each arena, but the MSG argument is really, really dumb, if you think that number would translate to Vegas.

[southpaw]

Just now, AJS said:

You can make an argument about the costs associated w/ each arena, but the MSG argument is really, really dumb, if you think that number would translate to Vegas.

You're right.  UND should have just assumed that an extra 8,000 people would show up to Vegas.

[Cratter]

6 minutes ago, southpaw said:

Renting the arena, buying the rights from USA hockey, travel, etc.  

Travel is about the same for any UND away game. (edit: probably less because its only one night).

Buying the rights is 80K.

Far from losing money. 

[runaroundsioux]

33 minutes ago, EAJsioux said:

That's awesome! Except for the people who can't go to the Sioux shop, volleyball, hockey, or tailgating whenever they want due to distance...

I guess you skipped the part about supporting UND athletics.

[AJS]

Should have charged more per ticket. Anyone have a book on Supply and Demand they could send to team think small?

In all seriousness, what a blown opportunity to make the school some money. Especially in times where the athletic department could use it, somebody dropped the ball, big time.

 

[SiouxFanatic]

4 minutes ago, southpaw said:

You're right.  UND should have just assumed that an extra 8,000 people would show up to Vegas.

Considering the opponent is a bigger draw than BC and traveling to Las Vegas is cheaper especially flight-wise from North Dakota. I'd say so. 

[AJS]

2 minutes ago, southpaw said:

You're right.  UND should have just assumed that an extra 8,000 people would show up to Vegas.

When you are UND, you don't take risks, I'm surprised they didn't find a smaller arena to put it in.

[southpaw]

5 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Travel is about the same for any UND away game.

Buying the rights is 80K.

Far from losing money. 

Was every ticket sold for $100?  If 7,000 were sold to champions club members, that's about $550,000.  Another 3,000 at $99 is another $300,000.  So we're already $150,000 short of the million you suggested.  A school never gets 100% of the ticket price.  In addition to having to rent the arena (way more than $100,000), Orleans also gets a cut of tickets.  What other math are you missing?  That money goes away fast.

[UNDSioux23]

7 minutes ago, AJS said:

Should have charged more per ticket. Anyone have a book on Supply and Demand they could send to team think small?

In all seriousness, what a blown opportunity to make the school some money. Especially in times where the athletic department could use it, somebody dropped the ball, big time.

 

They could use more Champions Club support so don't make that argument.  $135 for the season and you would have received $20 off each ticket in presale...thus only being "out" $95....but then again you wouldn't be "out" if you're making the school some money.

 

[Cratter]

3 minutes ago, southpaw said:

Was every ticket sold for $100?  If 7,000 were sold to champions club members, that's about $550,000.  Another 3,000 at $99 is another $300,000.  So we're already $150,000 short of the million you suggested.  What other math are you missing?  That money goes away fast.

Opps, only $850,000 to cover expenses. 

[NDRPinLV]

15 minutes ago, southpaw said:

UND thought realistic.  Does 10,000 people in an NHL arena justify the costs?  MN can't get 5,000 people in their own arena so why would they all fly to Vegas for a single game?  

Again, what happens when there are 10-11,000 at the arena?  UND loses money.

Buying into the champions club this late wouldn't have gotten you tickets.  The allotment sold out.

Precisely.

How many UND fans were in MSG?  The arena was half-full.

So 8,000 tickets at MSG isn't a recent and good look at history?  

UND chose Orleans because there are significant costs associated with an event like this.  Costs that UND has to recover, especially with all of the budget issues surrounding UND.  As a fan, I'm disappointed UND didn't go for T-Mobile, but I completely understand why not the first time around.

Las Vegas is much more accessible for UND (and Gopher) fans that primarily live in the midwest and west than is NYC, especially with airlines like Allegiant, Frontier and Southwest.  Add in the hotel deals that many of these airlines have and, Yes, I think it was forseeable that this game would have a much higher demand than MSG. The TMobile Arena would have sold out.

[AJS]

1 minute ago, UNDSioux23 said:

They could use more Champions Club support so don't make that argument.  $135 for the season and you would have received $20 off each ticket in presale...thus only being "out" $90....but then again you wouldn't be "out" if you're making the school some money.

 

What are you talking about? What does the Champions Club have to do with what I put?

[UNDSioux23]

Just now, AJS said:

What are you talking about? What does the Champions Club have to do with what I put?

It would "make the school some money", as you put it.

[runaroundsioux]

15 minutes ago, southpaw said:

How many UND fans were in MSG?  The arena was half-full.

MSG seats 16,000 for hockey. I estimated there were 12,000. 9000+ were green. I think they realized after that, Vegas should have been a larger venue. But you are right, they had never done an event like New York or Vegas,so there was a lot of risk involved. If New York hadn't been such a success I don't think there would have been this kind of demand for Vegas. No one who was in New York wants to miss Vegas.

[Cratter]

6 minutes ago, NDRPinLV said:

Las Vegas is much more accessible for UND (and Gopher) fans that primarily live in the midwest and west than is NYC, especially with airlines like Allegiant, Frontier and Southwest.  Add in the hotel deals that many of these airlines have and, Yes, I think it was forseeable that this game would have a much higher demand than MSG. The TMobile Arena would have sold out.

Had no desire to see NYC: expensive, overcrowded, and the main thing to do is stare at tall buildings.

And by the looks of my friends trying to buy Vegas tickets but not NYC, they agreed. 

[southpaw]

1 minute ago, NDRPinLV said:

Las Vegas is much more accessible for UND (and Gopher) fans that primarily live in the midwest and west than is NYC, especially with airlines like Allegiant, Frontier and Southwest.  Add in the hotel deals that many of these airlines have and, Yes, I think it was forseeable that this game would have a much higher demand than MSG. The TMobile Arena would have sold out.

The Ralph didn't even sell out last weekend.  I get that Vegas is a destination trip but let's look at some facts:  MSG was half-full this year, a year after winning a national championship UND hasn't sold out games as consistently in the past, they're only playing one game so you have to assume fewer people are going to make that trip for just the single game.

In hindsight you can believe that UND would sell out an NHL arena (although I don't believe they would for this game), but the costs go up even with more people in the stands.