Whoa - UND Student Senate Non-Confidence Vote

[UNDBIZ]

http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/education/3724115-und-students-petition-no-confidence-vote-president-kelley-other

 

A Student Senate resolution calls for a vote of no confidence for Kelley, Vice President for Student Affairs Lori Reesor, Vice President for Academic Affairs Thomas DiLorenzo and Vice President for Finance and Operations Alice Brekke. It also calls for their resignations.

The resolution will be heard at an 8 p.m. emergency meeting Thursday in the Memorial Union.

[fightingsioux4life]

And here is a change.org online petition:

 

"UND Administration: Support a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in President Kelley and other members of UND leadership."

 

http://www.change.org/p/und-administration-support-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-president-kelley-and-other-members-of-und-leadership

 

It is good to see our students standing up to power instead of being compliant little sheep and/or pandering simps.

[SWSiouxMN]

I knew that student government was livid due to the transparency issue of the tuition model.... but seriously did not see this coming.

[UNDBIZ]

I knew that student government was livid due to the transparency issue of the tuition model.... but seriously did not see this coming.

 

Agreed.  I thought the student body president publicly calling out Kelley was big, but this would be a huge move.

[SWSiouxMN]

And here is a change.org online petition:

 

"UND Administration: Support a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in President Kelley and other members of UND leadership."

 

http://www.change.org/p/und-administration-support-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-president-kelley-and-other-members-of-und-leadership

 

It is good to see our students standing up to power instead of being compliant little sheep and/or pandering simps.

 

already around 500 signatures. 

[northdakota18]

Emails were sent to every student from student government. Gladly signed this, it's really blowing up it was at 300 signatures less than a half hour ago.

[fightingsioux4life]

Emails were sent to every student from student government. Gladly signed this, it's really blowing up it was at 300 signatures less than a half hour ago.

I also signed it.

[UND1983]

Never good when the word "corruption" is used.

[gfhockey]

Fire Kelley?

[darell1976]

So what did Kelley do wrong? Nickname- blame the SBoHE (Kelley's bosses), academics - blame Faison. Tuition increase...that may be on Kelley.

[UNDBIZ]

So what did Kelley do wrong? Nickname- blame the SBoHE (Kelley's bosses), academics - blame Faison. Tuition increase...that may be on Kelley.

 

[SWSiouxMN]

So what did Kelley do wrong? Nickname- blame the SBoHE (Kelley's bosses), academics - blame Faison. Tuition increase...that may be on Kelley.

 

The resolution and petition accuses Kelley and a handful of other administrators of failing to be transparent in regard to tuition model proposals that were presented to students. The models could have been implemented as early as fall of 2016. Two of the three draft proposals would have increased tuition by either 10.5 percent or 12.3 percent more than the current rate for students enrolling in 15 credits while a third option did not have dollar figures listed.

[Siouxperfan7]

So what did Kelley do wrong? Nickname- blame the SBoHE (Kelley's bosses), academics - blame Faison. Tuition increase...that may be on Kelley.

 

I am curious to what Kelley did that the studends feel he should be fired.  If it is because of the nickname, that's dumb.  If it's because of tuition, welcom to the world of things costing more!!  I am not here to defend Kelley, but there has to be other legitimate reasons.

[SWSiouxMN]

I am curious to what Kelley did that the studends feel he should be fired.  If it is because of the nickname, that's dumb.  If it's because of tuition, welcom to the world of things costing more!!  I am not here to defend Kelley, but there has to be other legitimate reasons.

 

https://und.edu/student-government/sr1415-16_vote_of_no_confidence.pdf

 

Here is the document that is on the docket explaining why they are doing it.  It is much more than raising tuition in their eyes.

 

ZERO to do with the nickname

[UNDBIZ]

I am curious to what Kelley did that the studends feel he should be fired.  If it is because of the nickname, that's dumb.  If it's because of tuition, welcom to the world of things costing more!!  I am not here to defend Kelley, but there has to be other legitimate reasons.

 

I agree to some extent.  I do believe that Kelley should retire (due to being old and lacking the enthusiasm to properly sell the university to potential donors, legislators, and, most importantly, students), but this public shaming seems a bit over the top.  Not being in student government, I'm relatively in the dark as to how they have been treated regarding this proposed tuition increase though.

[The Sicatoka]

I'm going to disagree with lines 67-69 in their document.

 

The increase is based on a new minimum standard of 15 credit hours per semester to be considered full time. That change is to benefit the student as at 15 hours per semester you're on a far better pace to finish in four years ... and save money. 

 

However, and beyond that, if Student Government has to resort to open records requests to get answers from Twamley, they may have a point. 

[UNDBIZ]

I'm going to disagree with lines 67-69 in their document.

 

The increase is based on a new minimum standard of 15 credit hours per semester to be considered full time. That change is to benefit the student as at 15 hours per semester you're on a far better pace to finish in four years ... and save money. 

 

They can already take 15 credits and pay the same amount as if they took 12.  Charging them for the additional 3 credits would appear to push students to take fewer credits.

[The Sicatoka]

Here's more information on the various plans/tuition models. 

http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/education/3711205-und-mulls-changing-tuition-model

 

Two of three options laid out in draft proposals suggest tuition increases of either 10.5 percent or 12.3 percent over this year for students enrolling in 15 credits.

 

But officials said this is the answer to initiatives laid out by the State Board of Higher Education for better retention and four-year graduation rates, as the plans save students money if they graduate on time.

 

Most college courses are worth three credits each. Currently, students take 12 credits per semester to be considered full time and are charged a flat tuition rate for taking more than that, up to 21 credits and excluding online courses.

 

In the draft proposal document, three different tuition increase options are laid out, two of which would decrease the charge per credit hour but increase when the flat rate kicks in to 15 credits and lower the cap to 18.

 

That cap change causes the drastic increase in overall price.

 

"From what we've seen the proposed hikes in tuition are absurd," UND Student Body President Tanner Franklin said. "In the end they'll place an unnecessary burden on UND students and I completely understand where the State Board of Higher Education is coming from and the institution in that their goal is to increase four-year graduation rates but it should not be coming at such a high price tag to students."

 

The third option would lock in a set tuition rate for a student for four years, but the dollar figures involved in that plan are listed as "to be determined" on the documents.

 

 

That third option sounds like a pretty good incentive to go on the four-year plan. 

 

Oh, and also:

 

The draft options outlined in the document roll online courses into the same scale as opposed to charging for them separately.

 

 

That's a really good deal. A 15-credit on-campus (full time) student taking one online course would pay for that online course separately today. Under the proposed plan the online course would be counted as part of the full time base rate. 

[Shawn-O]

Something needs to be done with regard to tuition increases.  This model isn't sustainable.  Follow the money trail, it leads to Sallie Mae and her collection agencies.  

[Brucesky02]

This is a disguised maneuver to raise tuition and a very deceptive tactic by the administration. More reading on this:

 

http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/education/3711205-und-mulls-changing-tuition-model

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/und-proposes-massive-tuition-hike/

 

IMO - UND's tuition is what keeps it a great value. Without such a great tuition rate, the university probably sees fewer enrollments from the cities and other areas. I've known many people who came purely because the price was much better than other regional universities. This feels a lot like taking from many to benefit a few at the university.

[The Sicatoka]

"I don't want to generalize but a lot of students, they look at what they paying semester by semester or year by year," (UND Student Senate president) Franklin said. "They're not thinking, 'Well, if I take 15 credits, I've got a higher potential to graduate in four years and maybe it'll save me a couple thousand bucks."

 

 

Uh, shouldn't they be thinking about graduating and saving money? 

[SWSiouxMN]

All in all, this is just another PR nightmare for UND. 

[darell1976]

https://und.edu/student-government/sr1415-16_vote_of_no_confidence.pdf

Here is the document that is on the docket explaining why they are doing it. It is much more than raising tuition in their eyes.

ZERO to do with the nickname

At least it has nothing to do with the nickname, then carry on students.

[Brucesky02]

I don't have any data, but wouldn't you think many of the students who take over 4 years to graduate do so because they've changed majors, and not from some lack of effort by only taking 12 credits a semester?

 

There is a 0% chance UND would suggest such a move if it wouldn't raise revenues, and raising revenues means more debt for students. No matter how they frame it, it's a bad deal for students.

 

Answer me this - if a student is taking 12 credits now, how does this motivate them to take 15? If they aren't taking 15 credits when those extra 3 are free, why would they pay MORE to take them?

[darell1976]

Just meaning if they are bitching about athletics Kelley has nothing to do with that, as that is Faison's department.