MafiaMan Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 ESPN's 30 for 30 episode this Sunday is "Of Miracles and Men." The preview asks the question "what if...the miracle we remember is the game they want to forget." I bet it'll be interesting. Did you happen to watch this? I DVR'd it and late last night got about halfway through but it was waaay too late and it was time to go to bed. I'll be watching later this week. Curious to hear your thoughts if you saw it. Fetisov went through a lot of crap to be the first to be granted to leave the Soviet Army and basically become a free man and play in the NHL. Could of defected and didn't earlier. Opened the door for everyone else by waiting. Have a lot of respect for the guy. And Tarasov made Soviet hockey. What a great coach and a guy with a huge heart. Unorthodox training methods but they worked. Great documentary. I thought the doc. was incredible. It was amazing to see the Soviet's redefine a style of hockey. Off the ice their workouts were extreme, very impressive, probably way ahead of its time. It's funny though, with that advantage they didn't play a gritty game and the Russians still have a tendency to not, which has resulted in big losses imo throughout international play. Still crazy to see USA beat the Russians in that game. Hell, the Russians probably could have won 19 of 20 if they played a 20 game series. Per Herb Brooks: Great moments... are born from great opportunity. And that's what you have here, tonight, boys. That's what you've earned here tonight. One game. If we played 'em ten times, they might win nine. But not this game. Not tonight. Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight, we stay with them. And we shut them down because we can! Tonight, WE are the greatest hockey team in the world. You were born to be hockey players. Every one of you. And you were meant to be here tonight. This is your time. Their time is done. It's over. I'm sick and tired of hearing about what a great hockey team the Soviets have. Screw 'em. This is your time. Now go out there and take it. So that would make it 18 of 20 in a 20 game series! Herb was choosing his words carefully, realistically it was probably more like 98-99 out of 100. DVR'd it...watching it tonight or tomorrow night. Two things I have heard and am looking to verify: #1) Fetisov has not much good to say about Tikhonov #2) Sergei Fedorov was looked upon as a traitor for leaving the UCKA (pronounced sess-ka) hockey team and defecting. The acronym stands for Central Sports Club Army. I just watched it today (DVR) and thought it was great. I loved when they asked the one player of he saw the movie Miracle and he said why, we didn't win. Lots of red tape (no pun intended) just to get out of the Soviet Union and play in the NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 If you haven't see or DVR'd ESPN 30 for 30: Of Miracles and Men.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmdb3PkGLd0 I remember MafiaMan saying he wish he saw Lokomotiv, not sure if he's seen it yet.http://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/lokomotiv/ Wow, that Lokomotiv video is pretty powerful. Two quick things I found interesting (minor details): I knew that Valeri Kharlamov died in August of 1981 and that he did not make the Canada Cup team that summer. I did not know that he was literally left at the airport as the plane was leaving the USSR and died in the car crash only a day or two later. Wow. Stunning that the Soviet team could even play in that tournament, let alone win it...not that they had a choice to fly home for Kharlamov's funeral I guess.* *side note: #17 has been retired by the Soviet Union (and now Russia) in international competition in honor of Kharlamov. Ilya Kovalchuk has worn the reverse of that, #71, in his honor. Did anyone else notice the changing spelling of Russian player names on their jerseys? What we commonly know today as "TRETIAK" was in fact spelled "TRETJAK" and "TRETYAK" on jerseys in different tournaments. The other player I noticed with different spellings was Boris Mikhailov, whose name was spelled both "MICHAJLOV" and "MICHAILOV." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 ESPN will replay this over and over again. So if you didn't catch it the first time (like me), you'll get many more chances to watch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 Alex Tarasov's short explanation of his grandfather's firing needed to be expanded upon a bit. A Soviet tie with Czechoslovakia in the 1972 Olympics in Sapporo wasn't designed just to improve relations with the CSSR. A tie would have dropped the USA from silver to bronze and moved Czechoslovakia up from bronze to silver. Communist superiority over the USA would be ensured. The Soviet Union defeated the CSSR 5-2 - and Tarasov's decision to rebuke the higher-ups would cost him his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Alex Tarasov's short explanation of his grandfather's firing needed to be expanded upon a bit. A Soviet tie with Czechoslovakia in the 1972 Olympics in Sapporo wasn't designed just to improve relations with the CSSR. A tie would have dropped the USA from silver to bronze and moved Czechoslovakia up from bronze to silver. Communist superiority over the USA would be ensured. The Soviet Union defeated the CSSR 5-2 - and Tarasov's decision to rebuke the higher-ups would cost him his job. All that I'd heard before watching this was about Viktor Tikhonov. I'd never heard or known about Anatoli Tarasov. That was very interesting to me, to see the "birth" of Russian hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux rube Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 All that I'd heard before watching this was about Viktor Tikhonov. I'd never heard or known about Anatoli Tarasov. That was very interesting to me, to see the "birth" of Russian hockey. I never heard of him either. Kind of coach you would do anything for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I had never seen footage of Bobby Clarke's slash of Kharlamov in the 1972 Summit Series before. That was really bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Tarasov (West) and Kharlamov (East) are the names of two of the divisions in the KHL. The other two divisions are Bobrov (West) and Chernychev (East). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I finished watching this last night. Amazing what Fetisov had to do to get released from his contract in Russia and to be able to play in the NHL. The interaction between Lamoriello and Fetisov was good stuff - Lamoriello calling Fetisov daily making sure he was still alive or not shipped to Siberia, meeting in a hotel room and having to write to each other because the room was bugged, all the promises made to Fetisov and then once he delivered on the ice the promises were reneged, Fetisov not defecting because he wanted to do it "the right way", etc. These are things you think just happen in the movies! Going into watching this I was assuming that it would be about the Miracle on Ice game and that the show would lead up to that game, and end with that game (or right after). I'm sure that's because of how I view the game from my American point of view (how could this have been about anything else?!). I really liked how the 1980 Olympics were at about the halfway point and they went on and talked a lot about what happened afterwards. Very well done documentary! I want more! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 How bout the 1972 Summit Series games against the Canadians where JP Parise threatened to wack the ref with his stick!! I had heard about it but never saw the actual clip!! Wow!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 How bout the 1972 Summit Series games against the Canadians where JP Parise threatened to wack the ref with his stick!! I had heard about it but never saw the actual clip!! Wow!!I was wondering if I heard that name right. I actually thought we was going to hit the ref, that must have taken a lot of restraint not to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux rube Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I was wondering if I heard that name right. I actually thought we was going to hit the ref, that must have taken a lot of restraint not to do it. Had he I would have to believe that would of been the last time we would of heard JP Parise on an NHL team. I bet that ref had to go wipe after the incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodbuster Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 There is a documentary on the 1972 Summit series between Canada and Russia that I saw a few years ago on either ESPN or the NHL Network. It, too, was outstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 Did anyone here know that just two days after beating the Soviets in game 8, Canada had to play the Czechoslovakian team in Prague? This article gives a good description of how that went...http://www.1972summitseries.com/czechoslovakia.html Stan Mikita's real name was Stanislav Gvoth and that he was smuggled out of Czechoslovakia to Canada as a young boy - without his parents. Incredible story. Lots of amazing hockey bits from that era... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneksioux Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Espn's 30 for 30 is being shown on abc right now:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 Today is the 35th anniversary of the Miracle on Ice. Thank you again, Team USA, for inspiring our nation during those dark times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprig Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Today is the 35th anniversary of the Miracle on Ice. Thank you again, Team USA, for inspiring our nation during those dark times. I see the Red Army documentary is at a theatre in Bloomington. Seen it yet? Looks interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 That was a great documentary. I always assumed Soviet hockey was always about the system and nobody had a real passion for the game. The founding coach Tarasov changed my perception of that...at least in their earlier years. He was an impressive man. When Tarasov's daughter was introduced in the documentary, was there any mention of her credentials? I didn't see any. Turns out that she is a very famous ice skating coach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatiana_Tarasova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 I see the Red Army documentary is at a theatre in Bloomington. Seen it yet? Looks interesting I have not seen it yet...I wonder if it will find its way to Redbox eventually? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforcefans Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I watched the 30 for 30 on Saturday morning. Very interesting stuff, as everyone has said. Rumor is you can track down the Red Army on youtube if you dig deep enough, but I have not had the chance to confirm this. I suppose it could have been up, then taken down as pirated, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 http://www.theplayerstribune.com/miracle-on-ice-hockey-russia/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 http://www.theplayerstribune.com/miracle-on-ice-hockey-russia/ I read this today....great article! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Viacheslav Fetisov Daily Show Interview. http://thedailyshow.cc.com/extended-interviews/heznuq/viacheslav-fetisov-extended-interview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted July 5, 2015 Author Share Posted July 5, 2015 I watched the 30 for 30 on Saturday morning. Very interesting stuff, as everyone has said. Rumor is you can track down the Red Army on youtube if you dig deep enough, but I have not had the chance to confirm this. I suppose it could have been up, then taken down as pirated, as well. I don't know how long it has been out but I noticed on my Redbox app on my iPhone that "Red Army" is indeed at Redbox locations. I'm trying to justify driving 10 miles out of my way tonight to pick it up and watch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I don't know how long it has been out but I noticed on my Redbox app on my iPhone that "Red Army" is indeed at Redbox locations. I'm trying to justify driving 10 miles out of my way tonight to pick it up and watch it. It's on Netflix online if that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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