UND and the Big Sky could go FBS

[dakotadan]

38 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Former WAC commish Karl Benson says if Montana and Montana St had followed through on their pledge to move to the WAC, UCDavis and Cal Poly would have followed.  Fresno St and Nevada broke a pledge to stay, and that caused  change.  It’s a fallacy to ever say the Montanas never had FBS interest.

http://www.forgotten5.com/2018/07/29/that-time-the-western-athletic-conference-almost-came-back-to-life/

"It’s possible that the strikeouts on Montana/Montana State (who passed on FBS entirely, not just the WAC) and then the interference of Darth Kustra simply accelerated the inevitable."

[SiouxVolley]

56 minutes ago, dakotadan said:

"It’s possible that the strikeouts on Montana/Montana State (who passed on FBS entirely, not just the WAC) and then the interference of Darth Kustra simply accelerated the inevitable."

FBS required a conference invite, even then.  The MWC wasn’t gonna give them invites, nor was the SunBelt.  Montana St made a major stadium investment at that time, which would have made them have an FBS stadium, but it got them in high debt.  FBS isn’t something you wade in without substantial finances, but a DU blogger said they both had WAC interest until the last minute in Denver when UTSA and Texas St were announce as WAC FBS partners and UT Arlington was announced as a non football WAC member, as they knew there would be better partners geographically if they waited patiently.

[SiouxVolley]

Mick Delaney, former Griz fb coach, has major regrets that the Montanas didn’t reach out to all four Dakotas and take them with Idaho and form a division years ago.  He says California schools haven’t worked out at all.  He is more in the know than any poster or troll here.  As a former AD too, he must realize the significance of those words.

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/sports/2018/07/19/sunday-conversation-retired-life-good-mick-delaney-montana-grizzlies-great-falls-high-scott-mansch/804309002/

 

 

[southpaw]

25 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Mick Delaney, former Griz fb coach, has major regrets that the Montanas didn’t reach out to all four Dakotas and take them with Idaho and form a division years ago.  He says California schools haven’t worked out at all.  He is more in the know than any poster or troll here.  As a former AD too, he must realize the significance of those words.

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/sports/2018/07/19/sunday-conversation-retired-life-good-mick-delaney-montana-grizzlies-great-falls-high-scott-mansch/804309002/

 

 

He was referring to back when Boise was still a member of the conference so nothing new. And he was an AD of an NAIA school so not quite as influential. 

 

 

[cberkas]

That was a big reach. 

[SiouxVolley]

11 hours ago, southpaw said:

He was referring to back when Boise was still a member of the conference so nothing new. And he was an AD of an NAIA school so not quite as influential. 

 

 

So you are saying Texas A&M didn’t regret going to the Big 12 when the SEC had offered them and Houston spots?  20 years later they took the SEC spot because their was so much regret.

No question, the Montanas would prefer Boise St and Nevada, but that simply wasn’t possible anymore.  Idaho left at the same time as Boise and Nevada, so he seems to be projecting that those seven are ideal partners.  Cal St-Sacramento, Cal St-Northridge and Portland St added nearly nothing of consequence to the Big Sky and in fact degraded the Big Sky and the Montanas have regretted that moronic decision ever since, rather than going east.

[SiouxVolley]

10 minutes ago, cberkas said:

That was a big reach. 

There is no logic there.  Zippo.

[cberkas]

On ‎8‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 10:20 AM, SiouxVolley said:

So you are saying Texas A&M didn’t regret going to the Big 12 when the SEC had offered them and Houston spots?  20 years later they took the SEC spot because their was so much regret.

No question, the Montanas would prefer Boise St and Nevada, but that simply wasn’t possible anymore.  Idaho left at the same time as Boise and Nevada, so he seems to be projecting that those seven are ideal partners.  Cal St-Sacramento, Cal St-Northridge and Portland St added nearly nothing of consequence to the Big Sky and in fact degraded the Big Sky and the Montanas have regretted that moronic decision ever since, rather than going east.

Well, Texas A&M along with Missouri left to the SEC because of the stability of the Big XII.

Mick Delaney is talking about back in 1993, so 25 years ago. So, like I said it was a big reach.

Let's face it Idaho had no business being in the FBS. 

[SiouxVolley]

57 minutes ago, cberkas said:

Well, Texas A&M along with Missouri left to the SEC because of the stability of the Big XII.

Mick Delaney is talking about back in 1993, so 25 years ago. So, like I said it was a big reach.

Let's face it Idaho had no business being in the FBS. 

You simply have no idea about history.

A&M left the Big 12 because they were tired of being the second wheel with Texas, the SEC had offered them 20 years before, Texas was flirting with the PAC12 at the time (even suggesting A&M) and A&M decided that they would actually take the SEC up on the offer.  Missouri left after months of studying and hem and hawing.  The Big 12 wasn’t unstable until Colorado said it would join the PAC12 (might have been the PAC14 or PAC16).

Idaho and Boise St did not become FBS until 1996 and Idaho has every reason to be FBS with similar academic institutions, like Montana, Montana St, NDSU, UND etc.  Idaho and those schools are is better institutions than almost all of the Sun Belt schools.

There was a nasty replacement process for Idaho, Boise St and Nevada left for Big West FBS.  The Big Sky expansion which didn’t yield a credible athletic program, because the California and Portland fans simply don’t care about a lower level DI school.  Evidence by the Big Sky waging a huge bet on Cal St-Northridge and they subsequently dropping FB and going Big West.  Why would Delaney suggest Idaho as part of a Dakota expansion, if he wasn’t talking about the future?

 

[cberkas]

1 minute ago, SiouxVolley said:

You simply have no idea about history.

A&M left the Big 12 because they were tired of being the second wheel with Texas, the SEC had offered them 20 years before, Texas was flirting with the PAC12 at the time (even suggesting A&M) and A&M decided that they would actually take the SEC up on the offer.  Missouri left after months of studying and hem and hawing.  The Big 12 wasn’t unstable until Colorado said it would join the PAC12 (might have been the PAC14 or PAC16).

Idaho and Boise St did not become FBS until 1996 and Idaho has every reason to be FBS with similar academic institutions, like Montana, Montana St, NDSU etc.  Idaho and those schools are is better institutions than almost all of the Sun Belt schools.

Delaney was talking about the nasty replacement process for Idaho, Boise St and Nevada, which didn’t yield a credible athletic program, because the California and Portland fans simply don’t care about a lower level DI school.

 

And you keep reaching

They left because of the stability of the Big XII this is very well known. 

Idaho has been garbage at the FBS level and has no business being in the same conversation as Boise State.

[SiouxVolley]

7 minutes ago, cberkas said:

And you keep reaching

They left because of the stability of the Big XII this is very well known. 

Idaho has been garbage at the FBS level and has no business being in the same conversation as Boise State.

Boise St is effectively an “AAA” FBS school.  The P5 won’t look at them.

Idaho is at best a Single A FBS and it doesn’t have an MWC option, because there are no single A or “AA” options left in th West.

Never ever compared it to Boise St.  You did,

Your historys of A&M/Texas and Boise St/Idaho relationships are severely lacking.

[JohnboyND7]

2 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Boise St is effectively an “AAA” FBS school.  The P5 won’t look at them.

Idaho is at best a Single A FBS and it doesn’t have an MWC option, because there are no single A or “AA” options left in th West.

Never ever compared it to Boise St.  You did,

Your historys of A&M/Texas and Boise St/Idaho relationships are severely lacking.

Comparing UT-A/TAMU and BSU/UI in any way, shape, or form shows a severe mental deficiency. They have nothing in common whatsoever.

[SiouxVolley]

51 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Comparing UT-A/TAMU and BSU/UI in any way, shape, or form shows a severe mental deficiency. They have nothing in common whatsoever.

That was the most retarded comment possible.  But what can one expect from a troll?  The hatred of those two is comparable, except on a smaller people scale.

[southpaw]

7 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Why would Delaney suggest Idaho as part of a Dakota expansion, if he wasn’t talking about the future?

 

Because he literally says twice that he is talking about a long time ago but that it didn't go how he wanted.   What part of this talks about the future? 

"My thoughts, Scott, are from way back. Why we didn’t take the four Dakota teams instead of worrying about going into southern California … But that’s just my opinion. Idaho was certainly always a great rivalry. But you know, when we had the Boise State and Weber and Reno before they moved up. North Dakota, North Dakota State, South Dakota and South Dakota, I think, would have been a great fit way back then. But it didn’t happen that way. "

And he still said nothing about any of those teams going FBS together. 

 I just did a bit more reading about Delaney.  He was an AD at NAIA Montana State School of Mines (Now Montana Tech) from 83-85. You're great at finding random connections that never actually mean anything, but this is an even bigger stretch. 

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, southpaw said:

Because he literally says twice that he is talking about a long time ago but that it didn't go how he wanted.   What part of this talks about the future? 

"My thoughts, Scott, are from way back. Why we didn’t take the four Dakota teams instead of worrying about going into southern California … But that’s just my opinion. Idaho was certainly always a great rivalry. But you know, when we had the Boise State and Weber and Reno before they moved up. North Dakota, North Dakota State, South Dakota and South Dakota, I think, would have been a great fit way back then. But it didn’t happen that way. "

And he still said nothing about any of those teams going FBS together. 

 I just did a bit more reading about Delaney.  He was an AD at NAIA Montana State School of Mines (Now Montana Tech) from 83-85. You're great at finding random connections that never actually mean anything, but this is an even bigger stretch. 

Slow on the uptake again for all to see.

Boise St. and Idaho left the Big Sky in the same year, 1996.  Northridge St came in the next season  That is the only time a Southern California team came into the league, because Boise St and Idaho left.

idaho was a better program than Boise St then.  Boise St had big plans to grow and enlarge their stadium.  Idaho didn’t have any facility plans except to keep playing at Boise’s level.  The Big West was not that big of an FBS jump as it was the only league that would take either of them then.  Boise St took off from there, after a few years.

For Delaney talking about Idaho and the four Dakota schools, it has to be projecting circumstances to the present.  Delaney probably knows details of Montana’s plans than posters here.

[southpaw]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

Slow on the uptake again for all to see.

Boise St. and Idaho left the Big Sky in the same year, 1996.  Northridge St came in the next season  That is the only time a Southern California team came into the league, because Boise St and Idaho left.

idaho was a better program than Boise St then.  Boise St had big plans to grow and enlarge their stadium.  Idaho didn’t have any facility plans except to keep playing at Boise’s level.  The Big West was not that big of an FBS jump as it was the only league that would take either of them then.  Boise St took off from there, after a few years.

For Delaney talking about Idaho and the four Dakota schools, it has to be projecting circumstances to the present.  Delaney probably knows details of Montana’s plans than posters here.

Only you can turn the phrases "my thoughts are from way back" and "way back then" into something about the future. 

And you're right, he obviously knows more about the situation than you do because he is not grasping at any straw to try and keep an obviously wrong prediction going. 

[SiouxVolley]

55 minutes ago, southpaw said:

Only you can turn the phrases "my thoughts are from way back" and "way back then" into something about the future. 

And you're right, he obviously knows more about the situation than you do because he is not grasping at any straw to try and keep an obviously wrong prediction going. 

So your stupid azz thoughts are Idaho would have stayed in the Big Sky if they had offered the Dakotas.  So Idaho would not have wanted to keep up with Boise St because you said so.  That’s a real load of sh*t from you.

Boise St was ten times the Idaho rival compared to Montana then.

[JohnboyND7]

9 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

That was the most retarded comment possible.  But what can one expect from a troll?  The hatred of those two is comparable, except on a smaller people scale.

No...it isn't comparable. At all.

[Siouxperfan7]

[southpaw]

3 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

So your stupid azz thoughts are Idaho would have stayed in the Big Sky if they had offered the Dakotas.  So Idaho would not have wanted to keep up with Boise St because you said so.  That’s a real load of sh*t from you.

Boise St was ten times the Idaho rival compared to Montana then.

Please watch your language, changing a few letters or adding an asterisk doesn't make it any better. Also, the personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with you are not only childish but also against the forum rules. 

I never said or even implied anything you've claimed in the above post. All I've referenced in each of the posts have maintained that your reading of the below article is once again wrong. 

On 8/4/2018 at 1:26 PM, SiouxVolley said:

Mick Delaney, former Griz fb coach, has major regrets that the Montanas didn’t reach out to all four Dakotas and take them with Idaho and form a division years ago.  He says California schools haven’t worked out at all.  He is more in the know than any poster or troll here.  As a former AD too, he must realize the significance of those words.

 

 

 

[Gothmog]

15 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

 

 Why would Delaney suggest Idaho as part of a Dakota expansion, if he wasn’t talking about the future?

 

It's really amazing how you can see things that aren't there and yet completely ignore clear statements.

Here's the only statement Delaney actually makes about the future of the Big Sky in that interview:

"...Get another school and make it 14 and then have two divisions so there’s a champion on each side."

What does that have to do with any of your fantasies?

[cberkas]

If Montana and Montana State wanted to go FBS they could just ask some BILLIONARES that are connected to the schools to make it happen.

But then again you don't hear any talk in Missoula or Bozeman let alone from Griz and Bobcat fans out in town about how they should be in the FBS.

[Siouxphan27]

I wish someone would go talk to the director of the marching band at each of these schools so we could once and for all figure out who is going FBS.  

[darell1976]

With the money problem, joining the Sun Belt and fan support going FBS is only realistic on this:

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