FB@Sioux Posted December 24, 2013 Posted December 24, 2013 This probably has been discussed previously but which Football conference is the most competitive? Quote
Bison06 Posted December 24, 2013 Posted December 24, 2013 Both are strong conferences with a few traditionally powerful programs. To say one is better than the other will be based on nothing more than personal bias if you ask me. The way they may be able to be separated is in style of play. Big sky is a more wide open league, while the Missouri valley could be classified as more of a pro-style team league. Less gimmicky offenses(not a slam, just an observation) Quote
geaux_sioux Posted December 24, 2013 Posted December 24, 2013 MVFC at this point. If Davis UND and Poly can get constantly good like they should be the Big Sky will be better. Quote
Cratter Posted December 24, 2013 Posted December 24, 2013 Whatever conference the Bison are in. Quote
NewUNDAlum Posted December 24, 2013 Posted December 24, 2013 I think the MV is better at the top whereas the the Big Sky isn't as good at the top but has more quality throughout. I guess its kinda pick your poison right now. Quote
FB@Sioux Posted December 24, 2013 Author Posted December 24, 2013 Whatever conference the Bison are in. Quote
FB@Sioux Posted December 24, 2013 Author Posted December 24, 2013 That's the thing does the top team dictate the strength of the conference? Quote
jodcon Posted December 25, 2013 Posted December 25, 2013 NDSU has been in a league of their own and the bottom of the Big Sky has been horrible, that's been the difference the last couple years, take those factors out and the rest of the field is pretty comparable. 1 Quote
JohnboyND7 Posted December 25, 2013 Posted December 25, 2013 I'd say the average team from the Valley is probably better. Probably a year to year thing. Quote
VMeister Posted December 25, 2013 Posted December 25, 2013 I'd say the average team from the Valley is probably better. Probably a year to year thing. Apparently teams 3 & 4 from the Big Sky were better this year. Quote
JohnboyND7 Posted December 25, 2013 Posted December 25, 2013 Apparently teams 3 & 4 from the Big Sky were better this year. Horse a piece. How the Sky do in the playoffs this year? 2-4? Valley? 4-1 thus far. Quote
jodcon Posted December 26, 2013 Posted December 26, 2013 Horse a piece. How the Sky do in the playoffs this year? 2-4? Valley? 4-1 thus far. Yeah that's a great analogy considering one team has all the wins except for the win by the only other team to make the field who won when their opponents QB got hurt. MVFC - NDSU = very average. Quote
JohnboyND7 Posted December 26, 2013 Posted December 26, 2013 Yeah that's a great analogy considering one team has all the wins except for the win by the only other team to make the field who won when their opponents QB got hurt. MVFC - NDSU = very average. Big Sky - EWU = No playoff wins....and didn't EWU get to play against two backup QB's in the playoffs? Quote
jodcon Posted December 26, 2013 Posted December 26, 2013 Big Sky - EWU = No playoff wins....and didn't EWU get to play against two backup QB's in the playoffs? So the only win besides NDSU was one win by EWU without injuries involved? Doesn't really help your case. It was proven on the field that neither conference was that good this year past the conference winners, beating up on weaklings looks good in the standings until you start playing for real. Quote
Herd Posted December 26, 2013 Posted December 26, 2013 In 2013, there is no doubt. CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE 1 SEC-WEST (A) = 83.08 82.75 ( 1) 2 PAC-12(NORTH) (A) = 82.63 81.39j ( 2) 3 PAC-12(SOUTH) (A) = 82.03 81.08 ( 3) 4 SEC-EAST (A) = 77.28 76.92 ( 5) 5 BIG TEN-LEGENDS (A) = 76.81 77.51 ( 4) 6 BIG 12 (A) = 75.86 75.60 ( 7) 7 ACC-COASTAL (A) = 74.97 74.08 ( 8) 8 BIG TEN-LEADERS (A) = 74.02 73.55 ( 9) 9 ACC-ATLANTIC (A) = 73.45 75.60 ( 6) 10 AMERICAN ATHLETIC (A) = 65.02 65.96 ( 10) 11 MWC-WEST (A) = 63.48 63.74 ( 11) 12 MWC-MOUNTAIN (A) = 61.69 62.12 ( 12) 13 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A) = 61.54 61.37 ( 13) 14 CONFERENCE USA-WEST (A) = 61.08 60.04 ( 14) 15 MAC-WEST (A) = 60.25 59.30 ( 15) 16 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 59.04 58.99 ( 16) 17 COLONIAL (AA)= 58.71 57.77 ( 18) 18 SUN BELT (A) = 58.46 57.62 ( 19) 19 MAC-EAST (A) = 58.27 58.05 ( 17) 20 CONFERENCE USA-EAST (A) = 57.65 56.59 ( 20) 21 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 52.73 52.25 ( 21) 22 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 51.43 51.69 ( 22) 23 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 49.86 48.14 ( 23) 24 SOUTHERN (AA)= 48.44 47.88 ( 24) 25 BIG SOUTH (AA)= 47.31 47.66 ( 25) 26 BIG SKY (AA)= 47.02 27 PATRIOT (AA)= 45.61 45.34 ( 27) 28 I-AA INDEPENDENTS (AA)= 41.84 41.18 ( 28) 29 NORTHEAST (AA)= 40.81 40.86 ( 29) 30 MID-EASTERN (AA)= 39.29 39.94 ( 30) 31 SWAC-EAST (AA)= 34.32 33.40 ( 31) 32 SWAC-WEST (AA)= 27.34 27.42 ( 32) 33 PIONEER (AA)= 26.86 25.98 ( 33) 34 ***UNRATED*** (__)= -90.00 -90.00 ( 34) Quote
jodcon Posted December 26, 2013 Posted December 26, 2013 In 2013, there is no doubt. CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE 1 SEC-WEST (A) = 83.08 82.75 ( 1) 2 PAC-12(NORTH) (A) = 82.63 81.39j ( 2) 3 PAC-12(SOUTH) (A) = 82.03 81.08 ( 3) 4 SEC-EAST (A) = 77.28 76.92 ( 5) 5 BIG TEN-LEGENDS (A) = 76.81 77.51 ( 4) 6 BIG 12 (A) = 75.86 75.60 ( 7) 7 ACC-COASTAL (A) = 74.97 74.08 ( 8) 8 BIG TEN-LEADERS (A) = 74.02 73.55 ( 9) 9 ACC-ATLANTIC (A) = 73.45 75.60 ( 6) 10 AMERICAN ATHLETIC (A) = 65.02 65.96 ( 10) 11 MWC-WEST (A) = 63.48 63.74 ( 11) 12 MWC-MOUNTAIN (A) = 61.69 62.12 ( 12) 13 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A) = 61.54 61.37 ( 13) 14 CONFERENCE USA-WEST (A) = 61.08 60.04 ( 14) 15 MAC-WEST (A) = 60.25 59.30 ( 15) 16 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 59.04 58.99 ( 16) 17 COLONIAL (AA)= 58.71 57.77 ( 18) 18 SUN BELT (A) = 58.46 57.62 ( 19) 19 MAC-EAST (A) = 58.27 58.05 ( 17) 20 CONFERENCE USA-EAST (A) = 57.65 56.59 ( 20) 21 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 52.73 52.25 ( 21) 22 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 51.43 51.69 ( 22) 23 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 49.86 48.14 ( 23) 24 SOUTHERN (AA)= 48.44 47.88 ( 24) 25 BIG SOUTH (AA)= 47.31 47.66 ( 25) 26 BIG SKY (AA)= 47.02 27 PATRIOT (AA)= 45.61 45.34 ( 27) 28 I-AA INDEPENDENTS (AA)= 41.84 41.18 ( 28) 29 NORTHEAST (AA)= 40.81 40.86 ( 29) 30 MID-EASTERN (AA)= 39.29 39.94 ( 30) 31 SWAC-EAST (AA)= 34.32 33.40 ( 31) 32 SWAC-WEST (AA)= 27.34 27.42 ( 32) 33 PIONEER (AA)= 26.86 25.98 ( 33) 34 ***UNRATED*** (__)= -90.00 -90.00 ( 34) Yeah that's what 9 wins from your bottom 4 teams gets you, takes you right down the toilet. Doesn't hurt having NDSU at a lofty 82+ either, that helps offset weaker teams. Quote
JohnboyND7 Posted December 26, 2013 Posted December 26, 2013 So the only win besides NDSU was one win by EWU without injuries involved? Doesn't really help your case. It was proven on the field that neither conference was that good this year past the conference winners, beating up on weaklings looks good in the standings until you start playing for real. Hence why I said year to year. Quote
Hammersmith Posted December 26, 2013 Posted December 26, 2013 Yeah that's what 9 wins from your bottom 4 teams gets you, takes you right down the toilet. Doesn't hurt having NDSU at a lofty 82+ either, that helps offset weaker teams. Do you know what the term 'central mean' means? Quote
jodcon Posted December 26, 2013 Posted December 26, 2013 Do you know what the term 'central mean' means? Yeah I understand how the ratings work and how they're weighted, I'm just saying when you have 4 teams at the bottom of your league with a total of 9 wins and they're all between themselves and bad FCS or DII teams it's going to kill your conferences ratings because not only are they bad, it brings down the better teams SOS when they play them too. BSC had 4 teams with a rating of 35.52 or less, that is awful considering the last place team in the MVFC was 1-11 and had a rating over 40...you can't overcome that regardless of how good your top teams are. Quote
Herd Posted December 26, 2013 Posted December 26, 2013 26 BIG SKY (AA)= 47.02 47.11 ( 26) TEAMS= 13 47.15 ( 26) College Football 2013 through games of December 14 Saturday the BCS uses the PURE_ELO RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | DIMIN_CURVE | PREDICTOR | PURE_ELO HOME ADVANTAGE=[ 3.54] [ 3.16] [ 3.44] [ 3.70] 74 Eastern Washington AA = 66.19 12 2 54.34( 152) 0 0 | 0 0 | 66.06 79 | 66.11 77 | 67.37 79 109 Montana AA = 60.29 10 3 50.19( 182) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.23 125 | 62.20 99 | 55.70 121 138 Cal Poly-SLO AA = 55.65 6 6 50.85( 173) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.21 151 | 58.84 119 | 46.89 176 151 Northern Arizona AA = 52.69 9 3 50.22( 180) 0 0 | 0 1 | 54.29 142 | 50.85 159 | 55.97 120 157 Montana State AA = 52.02 7 5 46.26( 204) 0 0 | 0 0 | 50.43 164 | 53.37 147 | 44.75 184 161 Portland State AA = 49.82 6 6 48.97( 187) 0 0 | 0 0 | 48.51 169 | 50.89 158 | 37.18 216 172 Southern Utah AA = 47.45 8 5 51.24( 170) 0 0 | 0 1 | 48.74 168 | 45.93 172 | 50.99 144 181 UC Davis AA = 45.39 5 7 48.87( 188) 0 0 | 0 0 | 45.88 177 | 44.68 178 | 36.67 217 182 Sacramento State AA = 45.36 5 7 49.87( 184) 0 1 | 0 1 | 45.84 178 | 44.67 179 | 39.97 200 228 North Dakota AA = 35.52 3 8 48.23( 193) 0 0 | 0 0 | 34.68 231 | 36.11 216 | 30.65 230 229 Idaho State AA = 35.06 3 9 51.29( 169) 0 0 | 0 2 | 32.70 235 | 36.89 213 | 21.76 247 230 Weber State AA = 35.00 2 10 55.59( 147) 0 0 | 0 0 | 36.04 227 | 33.72 229 | 30.62 231 234 Northern Colorado AA = 31.94 1 11 48.67( 190) 0 0 | 0 0 | 30.36 237 | 33.14 230 | 17.23 250 Quote
Herd Posted December 26, 2013 Posted December 26, 2013 16 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 59.04 58.99 ( 16) TEAMS= 10 58.79 ( 17) College Football 2013 through games of December 14 Saturday the BCS uses the PURE_ELO RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | DIMIN_CURVE | PREDICTOR | PURE_ELO HOME ADVANTAGE=[ 3.54] [ 3.16] [ 3.44] [ 3.70] 23 North Dakota State AA = 82.24 13 0 56.88( 138) 0 0 | 1 0 | 83.00 21 | 81.30 24 | 80.98 26 93 Northern Iowa AA = 63.15 7 5 56.77( 139) 0 0 | 0 1 | 62.24 100 | 63.87 87 | 53.85 131 94 South Dakota State AA = 63.11 9 5 58.42( 127) 0 0 | 0 1 | 62.95 96 | 63.08 93 | 62.02 99 98 Southern Illinois AA = 62.49 7 5 60.17( 109) 0 0 | 0 1 | 62.45 98 | 62.33 98 | 52.26 135 111 Youngstown State AA = 60.14 8 4 53.90( 155) 0 1 | 0 2 | 60.85 105 | 59.23 116 | 56.66 118 115 Missouri State AA = 59.86 5 7 57.21( 135) 0 0 | 0 2 | 57.60 132 | 61.97 101 | 44.56 185 125 Illinois State AA = 57.75 5 6 60.82( 103) 0 0 | 0 1 | 57.69 131 | 57.61 123 | 48.74 162 159 Western Illinois AA = 50.71 4 8 58.74( 122) 0 0 | 0 0 | 50.66 162 | 50.56 160 | 39.43 203 162 South Dakota AA = 49.71 4 8 57.54( 132) 0 0 | 0 1 | 50.95 161 | 48.24 166 | 41.38 195 199 Indiana State AA = 40.72 1 11 59.95( 111) 0 0 | 0 1 | 41.59 199 | 39.63 200 | 23.03 244 Quote
darell1976 Posted December 26, 2013 Posted December 26, 2013 Both the MVFC and the BSC have tough teams and weak ones. I know Bison fans love the ratings that puts them close to Alabama, and the MVFC near the top of the football world, but who cares...nobody on this board cares how good NDSU or the MVFC is. Wait until NDSU sinks back down to 2008 or 2009 level and the MVFC drops in the ratings then let's see how many pump their chests at these ratings. Quote
choyt3 Posted December 26, 2013 Posted December 26, 2013 Does the NCAA send out banners to the conference that is the subjective "best"? Wtf? Yet NDSU doesn't care and has moved on from UND. It's funny how the same posters that sing that mantra are here quite often with something to say. 1 Quote
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