Popular Post KEH Posted July 21 Popular Post Posted July 21 1 hour ago, Cratter said: Normally I would tell you about supply and demand. But in this case, the city of Williston is paying airlines to fly to their city. Since I have business degree from UND...I'll pass on your supply and demand lesson. Fargo is also paying airlines to fly to their city the authority minutes reflect that dating back 5 years or more. It is also kind of interesting that Mead & Hunt represents both Fargo and Grand Forks on consultation services. The pool for these consultants is small but isn't there a conflict of interest here? Fargo keeps getting the "wins", yeah there is more demand but at what point does the airport authority say "what we are doing isn't working"? From the outside it seems they are content with a pat ourselves on the back, "we are a Top 25 busiest tower" and "look at our new east/west crosswind runway." They got the small community air service grant which is great but SkyWest and United have yet to say, "we are coming" and time kills deals. 2 3 Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted July 21 Posted July 21 who is a1 in charge at the airport? how long he/she been there and what have they gotten accompished? would said person be let go if bo brings the airport back "into the city"? asking for a friend that doesn't like driving to fargo or minny to fly anywhere for a decent price 3 Quote
Und Princess Posted July 21 Posted July 21 1 minute ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: who is a1 in charge at the airport? how long he/she been there and what have they gotten accompished? would said person be let go if bo brings the airport back "into the city"? asking for a friend that doesn't like driving to fargo or minny to fly anywhere for a decent price That is what a good friend does!!! Helps their friend out when they need. I wouldn't want to drive to Bisonville to fly either. 2 Quote
Cratter Posted July 22 Posted July 22 Minot airport really making the rounds on the national news....not the best ATC. No Radar + Private contractors = Might just be a recipe for disaster. Quote
Brim006 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 Any confirmation to how close they actually came to colliding? Quote
Kab Posted July 22 Posted July 22 4 hours ago, Cratter said: Minot airport really making the rounds on the national news....not the best ATC. No Radar + Private contractors = Might just be a recipe for disaster. Does grand forks have radar and faa? Quote
Cratter Posted July 22 Posted July 22 1 hour ago, Kab said: Does grand forks have radar and faa? Yes 1 Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 and people wonder where their tax dollars go...local or fed.... just say the mural is staying bo and move on to something else... wowser 2 1 Quote
Und Princess Posted July 22 Posted July 22 1 minute ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: and people wonder where their tax dollars go...local or fed.... just say the mural is staying bo and move on to something else... wowser I agree @SIOUXFAN97 There's other economic issues that need to be addressed. 1 1 Quote
Blackheart Posted July 22 Posted July 22 3 hours ago, Und Princess said: I agree @SIOUXFAN97 There's other economic issues that need to be addressed. You mean like the millions they’re giving to private developers to build luxury apartments? 1 1 Quote
brianvf Posted July 23 Posted July 23 On 7/15/2025 at 7:09 AM, Brim006 said: 1 - The UND campus updates are absolutely fantastic...we could not believe how much the main campus has changed and grown but still kept the classic traditional look. What an amazing school and campus it has become. The new athletic facilities on and around memorial are FAR bigger and more impressive than I realized they would be. I can see how UND football is winning more of these recruiting battles. Props to anyone/everyone involved because it really came together phenomenally. This part gets me too each year when I visit GF after moving away. The campus has really grown into a beautiful area. It was always a nice campus (from when I went to school in the late 90's), but it looks so much nicer now. 1 2 Quote
nodak651 Posted July 23 Posted July 23 On 7/22/2025 at 5:13 PM, Blackheart said: You mean like the millions they’re giving to private developers to build luxury apartments? Where is the money coming from? Quote
Blackheart Posted July 24 Posted July 24 2 hours ago, nodak651 said: Where is the money coming from? Grand Forks taxpayers 1 Quote
nodak651 Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 hour ago, Blackheart said: Grand Forks taxpayers Please elaborate. 1 Quote
Blackheart Posted July 24 Posted July 24 51 minutes ago, nodak651 said: Please elaborate. People from Grand Forks? My understanding of this is that money from the city budget is being given to several developers to build luxury apartments on the south end of town. We're talking millions of $$$ here. Instead of letting the market dictate supply and demand, the city has decided to provide incentives to these select contractors to build super fancy and expensive apartments. These are not the kind of places UND students would live. Additionally, these projects don't have to pay any property taxes for 20 years (I believe). What a sweetheart deal! Meanwhile, the infrastructure costs for these new buildings will be absorbed by the current tax paying citizens. Get ready for multiple increases over the next few years! Watched the Grand Forks City Council meeting from this week on YouTube and it was quite eye-opening. Go to 3:35:00 for a perspective from a local GF businessman. 1 Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted July 24 Posted July 24 any conflict of interest with any of our elected officials at city Hall.....I think some or one is a realtor? 1 Quote
Blackheart Posted July 24 Posted July 24 6 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: any conflict of interest with any of our elected officials at city Hall.....I think some or one is a realtor? That would never happen in GF... 1 Quote
NewUndFan Posted July 24 Posted July 24 9 hours ago, Blackheart said: People from Grand Forks? My understanding of this is that money from the city budget is being given to several developers to build luxury apartments on the south end of town. We're talking millions of $$$ here. Instead of letting the market dictate supply and demand, the city has decided to provide incentives to these select contractors to build super fancy and expensive apartments. These are not the kind of places UND students would live. Additionally, these projects don't have to pay any property taxes for 20 years (I believe). What a sweetheart deal! Meanwhile, the infrastructure costs for these new buildings will be absorbed by the current tax paying citizens. Get ready for multiple increases over the next few years! Watched the Grand Forks City Council meeting from this week on YouTube and it was quite eye-opening. Go to 3:35:00 for a perspective from a local GF businessman. First its a stepped up every year they pay more taxes I believe to 20 years. There is a housing shortage in Grand Forks. What do you think happens to rents when there is a shortage? Rents go up! Right now that property collects very little taxes. When you incentivize a developer to put a apartment at their own risk They financially fail or succeed, we get benefit of a much higher taxing entity in the future where there is none now. No one understands the dollar commitment to these developments at the risk of the developer if they fail. We have many new businesses coming to town in the near future and with interest rates still very high they need to do something to attract developers to put up the apartments and homes. It amazes me at the backwards thinking sometimes in this town. Fargo and Bismarck didnt grow to the size they are with this kind of thinking. Everyone is so worried about someone getting rich. If it is so easy then I suggest some of you start doing some of the developing in town. Try to make a cash flow with high interest rates and trying to attract renters to keep it full, which they need to even cash flow. Same people crying about the city not doing anything about the mall a privately owned company. Like the city can do anything. I am glad we have the mayor we currently do, since I have moved here its the most development I have seen since he was elected. 2 2 Quote
Kab Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Just treat everyone fairly, shouldn’t matter who the developer is. should new houses get a tax break beside the new $1650 from the state ? maybe a 5 year tax break would make more sense or 5% decrease per year in tax break for 20 years , just be fair to current tax payers when new infrastructure is needed. remember nothing is free, someone somewhere is paying for it 1 1 Quote
vlarson Posted July 24 Posted July 24 I have an Airline Guide from 1977. GFK had 15 flights a day back then. Six to MSP ( 3 North Central DC9, 3 Northwest 727), two flights to Denver on Frontier (1 via Fargo, 1 via Rapid City), one flight Winnipeg on NW, two flights to Omaha via Fargo and Sioux Falls on NC with Convair 580s, plus 580's to Devils Lake and TRF on to MSP. Now with 3 regional jets on Delta and Allegiant, the contrast is stark. 2 Quote
NewUndFan Posted July 24 Posted July 24 17 minutes ago, Kab said: Just treat everyone fairly, shouldn’t matter who the developer is. should new houses get a tax break beside the new $1650 from the state ? maybe a 5 year tax break would make more sense or 5% decrease per year in tax break for 20 years , just be fair to current tax payers when new infrastructure is needed. remember nothing is free, someone somewhere is paying for it I agree everyone should be treated fairly. If I had the funds and wanted to take the risk I am sure I could get the same deal. I personally dont have the funds or the appetite to take the risk. There is only so many that develop a property like this. We should be thankful that we have them that want to continue to grow Grand Forks. Sometimes it takes some incentive to risk their own money to do it. I read they get tax free for 5 years and every 5 years its increased until full at 20 years. Right now the current tax payers are getting ZERO tax from that property. Dont you think future residents will be appreciative of the tax income when the apartments go fully online? If it sits vacant for the next 10 years still no tax dollars. Sometimes you have to give to receive and then intern GROW. We all benefit as the city grows. And No i dont think new houses should get a tax break. There is no shortage of people that will build homes and no reason to incentivize that. Many new homes being built around town with out needing tax incentives. 2 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Can someone put a dollar-number to these "luxury" units? I want to hear what that threshold is. Quote
nodak651 Posted July 24 Posted July 24 15 hours ago, Blackheart said: People from Grand Forks? My understanding of this is that money from the city budget is being given to several developers to build luxury apartments on the south end of town. We're talking millions of $$$ here. Instead of letting the market dictate supply and demand, the city has decided to provide incentives to these select contractors to build super fancy and expensive apartments. These are not the kind of places UND students would live. Additionally, these projects don't have to pay any property taxes for 20 years (I believe). What a sweetheart deal! Meanwhile, the infrastructure costs for these new buildings will be absorbed by the current tax paying citizens. Get ready for multiple increases over the next few years! Watched the Grand Forks City Council meeting from this week on YouTube and it was quite eye-opening. Go to 3:35:00 for a perspective from a local GF businessman. That just isn't correct. I think a lot of people are confused about this. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here. When a company invests in vacant land, the property value and tax assessment typically increase. To encourage investment, companies may receive a tax incentive, exempting them from paying a percentage of the increased tax assessment. However, they must still pay the pre-development tax rate. The city does not provide cash payments to the developer, and the tax revenue from the developed property does not decrease. 1 Quote
nodak651 Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Anyone know what "Forks Freightliner" is? Looks like a farly large building. https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/83f7c1d340f843809bbff15fc6d722f3#data_s=id%3AdataSource_5-17af413d6ea-layer-4%3A318 1 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted July 24 Posted July 24 7 minutes ago, nodak651 said: Anyone know what "Forks Freightliner" is? Looks like a farly large building. https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/83f7c1d340f843809bbff15fc6d722f3#data_s=id%3AdataSource_5-17af413d6ea-layer-4%3A318 Likely a Freightliner trucks dealership. I see a ramp to a dock and warehouse area and a large garage/shop space. 1 Quote
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