Eight Bison football players charged

[FargoBison]

Yes, this happens at Notre Dame, UND and other top universities. But the student athletes at these programs have to pay the consequences for an academic violation or for underage drinking. Only at the AC football program do athletes not have to pay any consequences for anything less than a rape charge.

Well one of our starting players did sit for a quarter because he wasn't wearing proper attire to a team function so you are totally right on with that assessment.

[Bison06]

And you lose creditability when you rationalize no action by NDSU in the particular case.

Good to know I haven't lost any credibility then. Never once have I rationalized these players not being punished. In fact, I said from the beginning they should have been suspended.

[UND1983]

Well one of our starting players did sit for a quarter because he wasn't wearing proper attire to a team function so you are totally right on with that assessment.

Let me get this straight. Multiple players get arrested for forging siggies, its front page news, and they get nothing. But some clown wears the wrong gear to a function and he gets a quarter? Sidepoint - who suspends somebody for a quarter? Weak.

[FargoBison]

Let me get this straight. Multiple players get arrested for forging siggies, its front page news, and they get nothing. But some clown wears the wrong gear to a function and he gets a quarter? Sidepoint - who suspends somebody for a quarter? Weak.

It was a quarter of a pretty big game, so Bohl probably got his point across.

I don't want to get into the petition thing, obviously GT and Bohl screwed up in handling it.

[watchmaker49]

Here's the difference between premier universities and the AC:

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/notre-dame-fighting-irish-qb-everett-golson-suspended-for-poor-academic-judgment-052713

While universities like Notre Dame and North Dakota will suspend and/or kick star players like Golson and Frattin off the team for violating academic rules or for drinking, the AC looks the other way when their football players steal hundreds of thousands of dollars from North Dakota tax payers. The AC administration was actually somewhat giddy that was "only" fraud against all of North Dakota and that it didn't involve rape.

Notre Dame has no problem kicking its starting QB off the football team and North Dakota has no problem kicking its top player off the hockey team but the AC won't consider any form of punishment for anything less than a rape charge. You have to sympathize with Bohl and Taylor though. If they were going to kick players off for crimes other than rape, they wouldn't have enough players field a team.

These football players did not steal one penny from the North Dakota taxpayers. Get a clue or a better grip on reality. Also this was not a fraud against all of North Dakota. Frattin was not the top player at the time. If you are going to embellish get some of your facts straight first.

[Redneksioux]

Pretty sure those player stole all North Dakotans rights to vote on what many feel are important issues.

And the money was stolen. Maybe not directly from the state taxpayers but trust me the tax payers do and will pay for the extra money that has and will be spent because of the fraud.

[FSSD]

Good to know I haven't lost any credibility then. Never once have I rationalized these players not being punished. In fact, I said from the beginning they should have been suspended.

Seriously - you are going to make me look... damit

[watchmaker49]

Pretty sure those player stole all North Dakotans rights to vote on what many feel are important issues.

And the money was stolen. Maybe not directly from the state taxpayers but trust me the tax payers do and will pay for the extra money that has and will be spent because of the fraud.

That is not what was being referred to though. How much have UND players cost the taxpayers with their shenanigans? They did not steal anyone's right to vote. As if they were the only people circulating petitions. Did your volunteer to circulate petitions for both questions since they were so important? Didn't think so.

[Bison06]

Seriously - you are going to make me look... damit

haha, please don't waste your time. I have been consistent since the beginning that these players should have been suspended at least 1 if not 2 games.

The only thing I have been opposed to is the commentary on this board that UND players are immune to legal troubles and that NDSU runs a dirty program. Both are false.

[geaux_sioux]

You lose credibility when you mention UND and Notre Dame in the same breathe academically.

http://www.forbes.com/colleges/university-of-north-dakota/

http://www.forbes.com/colleges/university-of-notre-dame/

Can't disagree with this..... UND is a good school but the undergrad is kind of a joke for a lot of programs. (No different at NDSU)

[Bison06]

Can't disagree with this..... UND is a good school but the undergrad is kind of a joke for a lot of programs. (No different at NDSU)

UND is a very good school and a degree from there is well respected in most circles. With that said, it's no disgrace or insult to say Notre Dame is on a different level. Notre Dame is considered one of the best schools in the world.

By most measures NDSU and UND are very much on the same level. Obviously, in some instances one school offers programs the other doesn't, but by and large there is no difference.

Which is why I always find it funny when people say NDSU is such an inferior school.

[Teeder11]

UND is a very good school and a degree from there is well respected in most circles. With that said, it's no disgrace or insult to say Notre Dame is on a different level. Notre Dame is considered one of the best schools in the world.

By most measures NDSU and UND are very much on the same level. Obviously, in some instances one school offers programs the other doesn't, but by and large there is no difference.

Which is why I always find it funny when people say NDSU is such an inferior school.

Not really that surprising. It's just a juvenile reaction to seeing the same stuff about UND on here from trolls or on another program's message board. Goes both ways. We just have a lot of other-team fans (and a couple of supposed "UND fan" contrarians who like to feign indignation and argue for the sake of argument) on here that like to remind us that we are supposed to check our biased fanatic card at the door and see things from a realistic, informed, un-opinionated, pragmatic and unbiased standpoint. Makes for a boring message board sometimes. That's all.

[Redneksioux]

I didn't volunteer nor was I paid to circulate the petitions. What difference does that make? This thread is about 8 former bison players who were paid to circulate petitions and forged signatures AND obviously thought their punishment and the nd courts are a joke. It's called voter fraud and they did steal rights from nd residents and they did cost us money.

That is not what was being referred to though. How much have UND players cost the taxpayers with their shenanigans? They did not steal anyone's right to vote. As if they were the only people circulating petitions. Did your volunteer to circulate petitions for both questions since they were so important? Didn't think so.

[FSSD]

Regardless of what anyone here may have as an opinion on ethics or morals etc. It is not the job of a football coach to teach/punish players for ethics or common sense. They can if they want to, but it isn't in their job description.

If our justice system sees this punishment as fit for the crime, I am fine with them serving that punishment and there being nothing more to come from it.

You think it's any different at UND? You're delusional. Mussman would do anything within the NCAA rules to win games. Don't throw the "he suspended guys for missing class" at me either. He wouldn't do that if it were the national championship and it was his starting QB. It's easy to suspend guys for small things when they either aren't important or the game isn't a big game.

Winning football games within the rules that are laid out is the job of a football coach. Period.

You made me go find it... I think the middle sentence fits the bill..and I included the entire post to make sure that I did not take it out of context. But, it is nice to see that SS message board has been able to talk some sense into you and you have come around nicely.. small steps on the path to enlightenment.

[Bison06]

You made me go find it... I think the middle sentence fits the bill..and I included the entire post to make sure that I did not take it out of context. But, it is nice to see that SS message board has been able to talk some sense into you and you have come around nicely.. small steps on the path to enlightenment.

haha, can't argue with that I suppose.

In the context of my entire body of posts in this thread where I said a suspension was warranted, this is but a minor blemish.

[iramurphy]

THe AC is responsible for taking care of their kids and UND is responsible for taking care of our kids. They do it their way and we do it differently. Who cares what they do? It provides entertainment for the other teams fans to see when the rival's kids are screwing up but at the end of the day, we aren't better because someone else does something wrong. We need to take care of ourselves and ignore what the AC does.

As far as whether or not the Notre Dame is better than UND or the AC? I would guess their Pharmacy or Ag programs (if ND has them) are not. UND"s Aviation, Rural Health, Geological Engr, Chemical Engr is probably on par with Notre Dame. When I have worked with Notre Dame grads over the years, I don't see them as superior to UND or even AC grads in Ag, pharmacy, medicine, engineering, law, etc. If you think your education at UND or the AC is inferior to Notre Dame then it probably is. They have higher academic requirements for admission (except their athletes) and their tuition is a lot higher. I have found that often times the schools like Notre Dame, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Sanford etc.tend to excel at the graduate level and the differences are probably that UND and the AC have areas of excellence in some of the undergrad and grad programs tbut hey don't have as many we excel in as these Colleges and Universities. Those schools also tend to have more resources especially for graduate programs and research, although UND and the AC have done quite well recently. Karen Nyberg, a,UND Mech Engr grad, just took a flight to the space station. I doubt her Russian cohorts care whether or not she is a UND grad from Grand Forks or a UND grad from South Bend. She must not have been told her UND Mech Engr degree wasn't so good. Don't sell your UND or AC degrees short. Some short sighted fools may prefer an IVY League or private university but your education from North Dakota's schools will hold you in good standing for a career. The midwestern work ethic is still a big factor.

[Rick]

Thought I'd take a few minutes today to check North Dakota's four major cities for any news on UND and NDSU. Couldn't find any news on UND coming out of Minot.

This is what I found on UND:

http://www.grandfork...icle/id/264598/

http://www.inforum.c...icle/id/401308/

http://bismarcktribu...19bb2963f4.html

This is what I found on NDSU:

http://www.grandfork...group/homepage/

http://www.inforum.c...icle/id/401348/

http://bismarcktribu...19bb2963f4.html

http://www.minotdail...e.html?nav=5583

[darell1976]

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/401348/

FARGO – A second arrest warrant has been issued for a former North Dakota State University football player accused of not serving the community service ordered after he admitted to faking signatures on an election petition last fall.

Don Carter, 21, is one of 15 defendants who pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges last fall for faking signatures on failed petitions seeking statewide votes to establish an outdoor heritage fund and legalize medical marijuana.

Carter is accused of not doing the community service and was due in court on Tuesday.

A spokeswoman for the Cass County Attorney’s Office said Carter didn’t show up at the hearing, prompting authorities to issue an arrest warrant. An arrest warrant was issued earlier this month for another of the defendants, former Bison star running back D.J. McNorton, who is also accused of failing to do his community service.

[Bison06]

Thought I'd take a few minutes today to check North Dakota's four major cities for any news on UND and NDSU. Could find any news on UND coming out of Minot.

This is what I found on UND:

http://www.grandfork...icle/id/264598/

http://www.inforum.c...icle/id/401308/

http://bismarcktribu...19bb2963f4.html

This is what I found on NDSU:

http://www.grandfork...group/homepage/

http://www.inforum.c...icle/id/401348/

http://bismarcktribu...19bb2963f4.html

http://www.minotdail...e.html?nav=5583

http://www.inforum.c...icle/id/401348/

Enjoy it while it last fellas, that pendulum has a way of swinging back the other direction after a bit.

[darell1976]

Enjoy it while it last fellas, that pendulum has a way of swinging back the other direction after a bit.

Yes it has. NDSU for a long time loved the drama surrounding the nickname, now its our turn eating the popcorn. So between the off-field problems, and conference mates bolting, Bison fans are going to have a fun 2013. Only a great football season will lessen the pain.

[watchmaker49]

I didn't volunteer nor was I paid to circulate the petitions. What difference does that make? This thread is about 8 former bison players who were paid to circulate petitions and forged signatures AND obviously thought their punishment and the nd courts are a joke. It's called voter fraud and they did steal rights from nd residents and they did cost us money.

Because if it was so important to you that people voted you should have given your time. They did not steal any rights from ND citizens. It is not as if they were the only people with petitions. They cost money in the same way that UND players have cost the state money but you do not complain about that now do you. You never quite digging the hole deeper do you? Gothberg evidently thought the same thing but not a peep out of you for that.

[Redneksioux]

So in order for a nd citizen to truly believe in something or against something they should be out petitioning? Ok sure! And last time I checked there were no und athletes involved in the voter fraud scandal.

And why do you keep changing the subject of this thread around on und hockey players when the thread is titled eight bison football players charged? I'd be interested in learning...especially considering your close ties to the hockey program which you claim by your supposed inside information.....what is it you have against und athletes to turn every thread around onto them?

Because if it was so important to you that people voted you should have given your time. They did not steal any rights from ND citizens. It is not as if they were the only people with petitions. They cost money in the same way that UND players have cost the state money but you do not complain about that now do you. You never quite digging the hole deeper do you? Gothberg evidently thought the same thing but not a peep out of you for that.

[darell1976]

So in order for a nd citizen to truly believe in something or against something they should be out petitioning? Ok sure! And last time I checked there were no und athletes involved in the voter fraud scandal.

And why do you keep changing the subject of this thread around on und hockey players when the thread is titled eight bison football players charged? I'd be interested in learning...especially considering your close ties to the hockey program which you claim by your supposed inside information.....what is it you have against und athletes to turn every thread around onto them?

When you have nothing, change the subject.

[Redneksioux]

She obviously has some sort of problem against und athletes. Ill give her that. In real life I wonder if she'd say this directly to these people face to face.

When you have nothing, change the subject.

[watchmaker49]

So in order for a nd citizen to truly believe in something or against something they should be out petitioning? Ok sure! And last time I checked there were no und athletes involved in the voter fraud scandal.

And why do you keep changing the subject of this thread around on und hockey players when the thread is titled eight bison football players charged? I'd be interested in learning...especially considering your close ties to the hockey program which you claim by your supposed inside information.....what is it you have against und athletes to turn every thread around onto them?

Go back some pages and they were always included in this thread. When you say that people lost their right to vote and you never bothered to do anything to help you should just keep quite about it. Otherwise you look like a hypocrite. I have nothing against them it is just if you live in a glass house you should not be throwing rocks at the walls. Much of this thread has had to do with discipline of athletes and UND fans claiming the high road.