COMMITTED UND Recruits

[sioux24/7]

13 hours ago, brianvf said:

Carels and Preston would be my “dream duo” as well. DuPont if Carels somehow falls thru. 

Has DuPont fallen off or something? I feel like I heard rumblings of him to UND a while ago but nothing now. 

[ChadR]

What's the reasoning for doing a silent committment?

[RhettRingers]

24 minutes ago, ChadR said:

What's the reasoning for doing a silent committment?

I'm guessing so there isn't added distractions to their current teams.

[burd]

There’s a surprising amount of noise about silent commitments. 

[nascar99]

27 minutes ago, ChadR said:

What's the reasoning for doing a silent commitment?

Because CHL teams haven't gotten over themselves & haven't come to the realization that NCAA Hockey is much better than the CHL. Once Makar did what he did at UMass and then translated it to the NHL seamlessly, that was basically the unofficial moment where the NCAA was officially better than the CHL. There's still a major Canadian hockey arrogance when it comes to hockey development.

 

Once CHL teams realize that junior is still junior and they can't hoard players for 4 years anymore, they'll realize that they have to let guys move on to the next level when ready. I believe some franchises/organizations in major junior have realized this, but many still haven't.

[Wilbur]

2 hours ago, burd said:

I hope you don’t loosen up a bit yourself and disclose that Wilbur has decided to stay another year. That news would have significant ripple effects.

Still waiting out the NCAA and the lawsuit that I've filed in Grand Forks county court for extended eligibility.  If Carson Beck and Pavia get another year there is no reason I can't put the pads on and sit on the bench and fill water bottles in at least a JPL goaltending/Lamoureax hockey practice jersey.  

[atxsioux]

14 minutes ago, nascar99 said:

Because CHL teams haven't gotten over themselves & haven't come to the realization that NCAA Hockey is much better than the CHL. Once Makar did what he did at UMass and then translated it to the NHL seamlessly, that was basically the unofficial moment where the NCAA was officially better than the CHL. There's still a major Canadian hockey arrogance when it comes to hockey development.

 

Once CHL teams realize that junior is still junior and they can't hoard players for 4 years anymore, they'll realize that they have to let guys move on to the next level when ready. I believe some franchises/organizations in major junior have realized this, but many still haven't.

^^^ Scott Wheeler with The Athletic did an article recently and there's still alot of animosity present day between some Major Junior teams and the NCAA.

 

Based on the way some CHL teams are acting it's caused alot of players to be fearful to announce their commitment (More or less a direct quote from an NCAA coach)

 

So that leads to the silent commitment.

[atxsioux]

Alot of the CHL teams just don't even understand the NCAA recruiting rules present day either.

 

Some CHL coaches were shocked that teams were recruiting some of the 16 year olds on their team (Obviously like we all know once it's January of your sophomore year, contact can begin)

[nascar99]

3 minutes ago, atxsioux said:

^^^ Scott Wheeler with The Athletic did an article recently and there's still alot of animosity present day between some Major Junior teams and the NCAA.

 

Based on the way some CHL teams are acting it's caused alot of players to be fearful to announce their commitment (More or less a direct quote from an NCAA coach)

 

So that leads to the silent commitment.

Yeah, they're acting like babies because they can't hoard players for 4+ years anymore nor are they at the top of the development pyramid anymore. They obviously had more or less lost their place at the top of the development pyramid before the rules change, but the separate development routes still gave them a bit of an argument in order to have most high end Canadian players go the major junior route.

Now that everyone can go to the NCAA, the CHL isn't special as a final development route before pro. They'll get over themselves eventually, you'd think at least.

Hope to see a Carels & then Lin/Ruck Twins/Rudolph commitment at the end of the regular season

[atxsioux]

Depends on what mock draft you look at but as of present day a good chunk of North American players projected to go in the 1st round are either playing NCAA or already committed to an NCAA school. (and that doesn't include Mathis Preston, Carels, Ethen Belchetz, Ryan Lin, Daxon Rudolph etc)

I think this summer will finally be the writing on the wall moment. If around 80 to 90% of North American players picked in the 1st round all have NCAA ties they'll come to the realization of the new reality. (especially considering there might be 0 USNTDP players picked in the 1st round)

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

28 minutes ago, atxsioux said:

Depends on what mock draft you look at but as of present day a good chunk of North American players projected to go in the 1st round are either playing NCAA or already committed to an NCAA school. (and that doesn't include Mathis Preston, Carels, Ethen Belchetz, Ryan Lin, Daxon Rudolph etc)

I think this summer will finally be the writing on the wall moment. If around 80 to 90% of North American players picked in the 1st round all have NCAA ties they'll come to the realization of the new reality. (especially considering there might be 0 USNTDP players picked in the 1st round)

And that's because Hurlbert thought Kamloops was better for his development than the program. It cuts both ways, as we are seeing more American talent in CHL then ever, but that makes it even worse in some of their eyes.

[scpa0305]

1 hour ago, sioux24/7 said:

Has DuPont fallen off or something? I feel like I heard rumblings of him to UND a while ago but nothing now. 

Not at all…unlucky the first few weeks of the year. Humming along nice now.

[scpa0305]

18 hours ago, tnt said:

If we don’t win a title this year, I can see him wanting to be a part of a championship team, knowing we would be contenders.  Would assume if he chose to do so we would lose someone, either a recruit or someone currently on the team.  You would possibly have pairings:

Liv - Verhoeff

Mackenzie - Emery

Strathmann/Laurila - Carels

Strathmann /Laurila - Lindberg

Jubenvil - Engels

Someone would certainly leave in that scenario.  Experience on defense is huge if you want a championship run, so Liv staying would be huge.  Hopefully it would be going for back to backs.

Lindberg could be pushed back a year tbh. Probably even should. Good player, but he could continue to get that offensive flair back. Come in more ready with a bigger role.

[atxsioux]

37 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

And that's because Hurlbert thought Kamloops was better for his development than the program. It cuts both ways, as we are seeing more American talent in CHL then ever, but that makes it even worse in some of their eyes.

Crazy how down the program was last year and this year. Looks like it's rebounding though next year.

 

He was one of the rare cases where there was maybe a fair argument to leave. Most years I think it would be crazy to leave.

[I Ranger]

I'm most curious about our forward classes. As has been discussed, it will be interesting to see who all comes in/gets pushed back next year especially with the assumption that we pick up an elite forward for next year. The following year I don't know how we bring in all the guys that get pushed back with only one junior (Mengheni) on the current roster. Some tough decisions will have to be made and I'm wondering if we carry 16 forwards on the roster? 

[tnt]

3 hours ago, scpa0305 said:

Lindberg could be pushed back a year tbh. Probably even should. Good player, but he could continue to get that offensive flair back. Come in more ready with a bigger role.

Would be interesting to know if he would agree to that, or go play with his brother at CC.  I believe CC was one of the teams he was considering before committing to UND.  
If you’re not dominating at the current level, why rush it though.

[brianvf]

Updated Commit Stats as of Jan 19th:

• Welcome to new commit Beck Thoreson!
• Simpson with a great week...now leads the USHL in points!  Third in goals, fourth in assists as well.

Forwards

• B. Schultz (USHL Sioux Falls) - '05: 35gp - 18g/12a
• Pilgrim (USHL Tri-City) - '06: 29gp - 10g/14a
• A. Schultz (USHL Chicago) - '06: 26gp - 9g/11a
• O'Neill (WHL Edmonton) - '07: 43gp - 18g/13a
• Sanderson (USHL Muskegon) - '07: 31gp - 10g/14a
• Simpson (USHL Youngstown) - '07: 38gp - 21g/30a
• Jundt (WHL Calgary) - '08: 36gp - 7g/4a
• Williams (WHL Saskatoon) - '08: 40gp - 14g/23a
• DeMars (WHL Penticton) - '09: 35gp - 4g/7a
• Grubb (SSM 18U Prep) - '09: 30gp - 6g/14a
• McKamey (WHL Victoria) - '09: 27gp - 1g/5a

Defensemen

• MacKenzie (WHL Edmonton) - '06: 35gp - 10g/25a
• Klimpke (WHL Saskatoon) - '07: 42gp - 3g/27a
• Lindberg (USHL Fargo) - '07: 31gp - 4g/10a
• Penner (USHL Fargo) - '08: 17gp - 0g/0a
• Thoreson (U17 NTDP) - '09: 10gp - 0g/3a

Goalies

• Heil (USHL Madison) - '06: 20gp - 2.37 / .897 (12-5-3)

[nascar99]

3 minutes ago, brianvf said:

Updated Commit Stats as of Jan 19th:

• Welcome to new commit Beck Thoreson!
• Simpson with a great week...now leads the USHL in points!  Third in goals, fourth in assists as well.

Forwards

• B. Schultz (USHL Sioux Falls) - '05: 35gp - 18g/12a
• Pilgrim (USHL Tri-City) - '06: 29gp - 10g/14a
• A. Schultz (USHL Chicago) - '06: 26gp - 9g/11a
• O'Neill (WHL Edmonton) - '07: 43gp - 18g/13a
• Sanderson (USHL Muskegon) - '07: 31gp - 10g/14a
• Simpson (USHL Youngstown) - '07: 38gp - 21g/30a
• Jundt (WHL Calgary) - '08: 36gp - 7g/4a
• Williams (WHL Saskatoon) - '08: 40gp - 14g/23a
• DeMars (WHL Penticton) - '09: 35gp - 4g/7a
• Grubb (SSM 18U Prep) - '09: 30gp - 6g/14a
• McKamey (WHL Victoria) - '09: 27gp - 1g/5a

Defensemen

• MacKenzie (WHL Edmonton) - '06: 35gp - 10g/25a
• Klimpke (WHL Saskatoon) - '07: 42gp - 3g/27a
• Lindberg (USHL Fargo) - '07: 31gp - 4g/10a
• Penner (USHL Fargo) - '08: 17gp - 0g/0a
• Thoreson (U17 NTDP) - '09: 10gp - 0g/3a

Goalies

• Heil (USHL Madison) - '06: 20gp - 2.37 / .897 (12-5-3)

Kilmpke is obviously a more recent commit, but he's being seriously underrated. Cannot wait to see him progress more and more

[I Ranger]

52 minutes ago, tnt said:

Would be interesting to know if he would agree to that, or go play with his brother at CC.  I believe CC was one of the teams he was considering before committing to UND.  
If you’re not dominating at the current level, why rush it though.

I had heard this spring that he wanted to come to UND this year and wasn't overly enthused about playing in the USHL(not sure how reliable that was though). I do think we lose him if he gets pushed back for another year. 

[tnt]

22 minutes ago, brianvf said:

Updated Commit Stats as of Jan 19th:

• Welcome to new commit Beck Thoreson!
• Simpson with a great week...now leads the USHL in points!  Third in goals, fourth in assists as well.

Forwards

• B. Schultz (USHL Sioux Falls) - '05: 35gp - 18g/12a
• Pilgrim (USHL Tri-City) - '06: 29gp - 10g/14a
• A. Schultz (USHL Chicago) - '06: 26gp - 9g/11a
• O'Neill (WHL Edmonton) - '07: 43gp - 18g/13a
• Sanderson (USHL Muskegon) - '07: 31gp - 10g/14a
• Simpson (USHL Youngstown) - '07: 38gp - 21g/30a
• Jundt (WHL Calgary) - '08: 36gp - 7g/4a
• Williams (WHL Saskatoon) - '08: 40gp - 14g/23a
• DeMars (WHL Penticton) - '09: 35gp - 4g/7a
• Grubb (SSM 18U Prep) - '09: 30gp - 6g/14a
• McKamey (WHL Victoria) - '09: 27gp - 1g/5a

Defensemen

• MacKenzie (WHL Edmonton) - '06: 35gp - 10g/25a
• Klimpke (WHL Saskatoon) - '07: 42gp - 3g/27a
• Lindberg (USHL Fargo) - '07: 31gp - 4g/10a
• Penner (USHL Fargo) - '08: 17gp - 0g/0a
• Thoreson (U17 NTDP) - '09: 10gp - 0g/3a

Goalies

• Heil (USHL Madison) - '06: 20gp - 2.37 / .897 (12-5-3)

Interesting that 2009 Ludovic Perreault has 12 goals & 22 points in 41 games on the same team as fellow 2009 Eli McKamey, who has 1 goal & 6 points in 27 games.  Don’t know if the injury is still holding back McKamey or not, but interesting stats.

I know Perreault was one of Schlossman’s top 20 recruits list from Canada to watch this past August.

[tnt]

3 minutes ago, I Ranger said:

I had heard this spring that he wanted to come to UND this year and wasn't overly enthused about playing in the USHL(not sure how reliable that was though). I do think we lose him if he gets pushed back for another year. 

Haven’t seen him play, so not sure it is fair to judge his offensive output because Fargo hasn’t been an offensive juggernaut.  I’m sure the coaches have been able to monitor his play often.

[scpa0305]

1 hour ago, tnt said:

Would be interesting to know if he would agree to that, or go play with his brother at CC.  I believe CC was one of the teams he was considering before committing to UND.  
If you’re not dominating at the current level, why rush it though.

There’s two other dmen on Fargo with more pts. And again, pts aren’t everything with dmen. But he’s fairly undersized, there’s no rush with anything. Wouldn’t be a terrible decision whatsoever. Depends on who we lose I suppose. As others noted, Strathmann could bolt potentially. Hope not.