Siouxperfan7

Can you provide us with the attendance numbers for NDSU wrestiling compared to UND hockey from last year? Thanks!

So to avoid having to walk on eggshells wondering if and when the NCAA is going to act or not act if we move ahead with no nickname, the whole issue can be put to rest by selecting a NEW nickname. That is what most of us want to do. Get this all behind us and focus on more important things like winning games, conference titles, and national titles.

I'll take a stab. Kelley said he was going to consider it to take control of the situation. There were rally's and public outcry ehen it was removed. By saying he is going to "consider" putting North Dakota back on the list, he can control the lynch mob mentality of the situation without actually going back on the committees decision. North Dakota will not be on the Final ballot. But at least for now, the firestorm is a least under control.

NORTH DAKOTA IS NOT A NICKNAME!!!!!! It is pretty obvious the intent of the language in the settlement. An abritrator would most definitely agree that the intent of the settlemt was that UND would select a new nickname, replacing Fighing Sioux. Heck, Stenjehm knew this too when he signed it!! What the hell is is so damn hard for you people to figure this out!!

Read the damn settlemert agreement!! Seriously!! Do I have to make a picture book and read it to you on the magic carpet in the preschool room for you to understand? Come on man!!!

What part of "transitioning to a new nickname and logo" do people not understand?!! That language is in the settlement is pretty easy to understand. The absense of a nickname is not a new nickname. UND must transition to a new nickname. It really is that simple.

They don't have to have a policy. The have a signed settlement agreement. Just because a committee decides that it is an option, doen't mean that it actually can. Once again, The NCAA has not given an answer to this question because they are letting the process play out. Why would they wast their time interjecting themselves in the process and comment on hypotheticals?! If you think that Kelley is going to allow "North Dakota" back on the list, you are kidding yourself. Not gonna happen.

One problem with your argumnet. The NCAA does not have to prove that they have been harmed by UND not having a name. That was not part of the settlemet agreement. I really don't get how a couple paragraphs can be so twisted and skewed to mean so many things just to prove someones point!!

Why don't you look in the mirror and say the exact same thing to yourself!!

How bout this. When UND gets a new nickname, if you want to call them by that name, do it. If you don't want to call them by that name, call them North Dakota. Both will be acceptable.

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The NCAA could have no legal action against UND for not picking a new nickname. But they do have control over several things that affect UND athletics very directly. One being awarded regional sites for hockey. Another being awarded bids to host playoff games for football. Seeded teams automatically get to host, and then higher seeded teams host if seeded teams play each other. However, unseeded teams bid to host playoff games. Doesn't just go to the team with the better record. UND could make a higher bid than our opponent, but they could easily give the bid and the game to the other school. They have every right to do that. Still think "sticking it to the NCAA" is worth it? Not being rewarded to host a playoff game is a really big deal. The NCAA may not be able to force us to have a nickname, but the reprocutions of not having one are something that they can control. You may be willing to deal with those, but the athletic department deffinitely is not.

Put the settlement agreement asside for a secaond. We have debated the language enough on multiple threads. I agree that UND must never forget the Sioux name and the history of it over the years we had it. Selcting a new name doen't throw all that away. It is still a part of UND athletics rich history. We all know about the PC NCAA mrons who forced this issue on us causing the name to be retired. We can be mad at them, that's fine. But to not select a name on the basis of "sticking it to the NCAA" and still being able to have Sioux as the unnoficial name is just dumb. Plain and simple.

In a related note, There are many people that post on here that claim that more and more peopple are yelling "Sioux" at the end of the anthem. While that may be the case at hockey games (although one could argue it is less), it is almost non existant at every other sport. Of course the "hockey only/Sioux forever/no nickname" crowd probably isn't aware of this fact (or that UND has any other sports besides hockey either)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=RxBCcAiK6Ug Couple things to look at when watching this video; 1. The opinion of these people is supposed to represent the majority? The numbers shown here do not support that. 2. Listen to the chants. What is the motive? 3. The organizer herself is wearing a Sioux hockey jersey, not "North Dakota" gear. Shows true motive.

After thinking about this issue for awhile, the fact that Kelley hasn't come out and clearly stated that the NCAA has an issue with UND having no nickname leads me to believe that maybe the NCAA does not have a problem with it. If he clearly didn't want "no nickname" to be an option, he could just pull out the "the NCAA has a problem with it" card out of his back pocket to push his "agenda". (Of course it still may be in play and he may wait to play it if "North Dakota" moves on to the popular vote and comes out on top." Now lets just say that is the case. It is still in the best interest of the University to select a new nickname. First an foremost to move past the Fighting Sioux nickname debacle that has plagued this University, it's fanbase, and this state for a decade. Forget settlemet agreements, forget recruiting scare tactics, forget marketing opportunities. UND and all of its invested stakeholders need to move on from this issue. Not selecting a new nickname will not allow all of us to do that.

It's been use by other coaches to recruit against UND. That is a FACT. You can choose to not believe it, but it is reality.

The GOBC has been in lockdown in meetings since last Tuesday night. "My source" says they are planning a protest in the Chester Fritz lawn to try to get Fighting Sioux back on the names under consideration list!!

YOu guys must not watch too many games then. On the National broadcasts, it always comes up!

OK, how bout this for an option. Kelley reduces the choices to Roughriders and North Dakota. Put those up for a vote and see what comes out on top. If it is Roughriders, then that is the name and the supporters of "North Dakota" can't complain because their choice made it to the final vote. If "North Dakota" wins out the popular vote, Kelly can then inform the NCAA that UND has chosen to not have a nickname and just go with "North Dakota". If the NCAA is OK with it, then fine. If they say that is not an option and can't do that and that UND must select a new nickname, then default back to Roughriders.

Gotta love the conspiracy theorist out there!! They make rationale topics so much more interesting!!

But we are still under their juriistiction. They are the governing body that our Stletic teams compete under. And we must folllow their rules. Whether you are USC, UND or Alcorn St. They all under the unbrealla of the NCAA and must adhere to their rules. YOu say we are not that high on their totem pole, but we were high enough to have them care about our nickname. And we deffinitely got their attention when UND had a lawsuit against them. TO think that the NCAA doen't really care about what UND does is just naive. You want to test the waters and see is they care or not? That's fine. But I doubt UND wants to go down that road.

Imagine this scenario. UND does not pick a new name and remains North Dakota. NCAA can't punish them, sure if you want to believe that. Let's say UND puts a bid in to host the NCAA Regionals in hockey at Scheels arena in Fargo. Hmm, I wonder who decides the sites to host? You think that sticking it to the NCAA is a good idea? Well they could stick it to UND and never let UND host a regional ever again. Scare tactics you say? Well why give them a chance to do something like that!! Don't bite the hands that feeds you!

SO you are telling me we are dealing with yet another vocal minority?!!

http://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/letters/3802734-letter-if-und-nickname-committee-isnt-interested-me-im-not-interested-und Apparently for this guy, the answer to the question is never!!