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Again, no one is excited about or defending these results, but you keep on moving the goal posts further and further away from your original argument until you think you have found something. These results are already taken into account on your 20 win season goal. I'm more concerned about how they do away from home at the conference tournament. By the way, NDSU was 1-4 their 2nd year and USD was 1-8 their 2nd year (counting OOC game in Rapid City) and is 3-7 this year (counting OOC game in Sioux Falls).

1)UND plays two more conference games then the other 3 schools, meaning two less chances for a win per year. 2)UND has been taking more money games and playing OOC games on the road to help fund their trip to Italy this summer. For example, UND has 1 OOC D-1 game this year and 2 sub D-1 games at home. USD has 4 (though one was played at Sioux Falls) plus another 2 sub D-1 games. 3)Now you're moving the goalposts. You already brought up 20 win seasons, not sure why OOC wins is now a separate thing. No one has argued a single time that UND's OOC record isn't disappointing. They have lost at least a handful they should have won and a couple of them in embarrassing fashion.

Of course that is what everyone wants. All of these schools had dips around their transition, but not sure how you can claim that the other Dakota schools were meeting these goals when they were where UND was. 1st 3 years out of transition Regular season finishes: NDSU: 1st, 6th, 7th SDSU: 7th, 4th, 5th USD: 7th, 5th, TBD (currently 5th) UND: 3rd, 2nd, TBD (currently 9th) Conference tournament results: NDSU: Win, 1st round loss, 1st round loss SDSU: Lost in Semis, 1st round loss, Lost in Semis USD: 1st round loss, 1st round loss, TBD UND: Lost in Semis, Lost in Finals, TBD Conference record: NDSU: 32-22 (16-2 followed by 8-10 and 8-10) SDSU: 27-27 (7-11 followed by 10-8 and 10-8) USD: 18-25 (5-11 followed by 6-8, currently at 7-6 this year) UND: 28-25 (12-8 followed by 12-8, currently at 4-9 this year) Total yearly wins overall: NDSU: 26, 11, 14 SDSU: 13, 14, 19 USD: 10, 12, 13* UND: 16, 17, 8* *in process As for consistent 20 win seasons, NDSU did it their first, fifth and sixth year and SDSU did it their fourth and fifth year.

$6/month plus whatever taxes, etc they add on.

Love that first one.

1)The amount they were over is less than what the athletic scholarships were. Unless they had some donations that weren't submitted (possible), they would have been short. 2)So you are saying NDSU intentionally chose to fund athletic scholarships over academic scholarships?

I get what you're saying but I would think the language in the bill is pretty clear in what the purpose was. Unless someone can explain how athletic scholarships exclusively advance academics or can point to a student-athlete who was recruited for the academic abilities alone, then I think its pretty simple. The only place scholarships are mentioned, it is specifically mentioned as related to enhancing academics. Playing football doesn't do that.

Taking a look at the wiki, the women's numbers have followed a very similar trajectory as the men's. I will give you that the women are up this year, which is to be expected after returning a large nucleus from last year but you single out certain games for the men's to explain bumps in attendance but then didn't mention the Minnesota game the women hosted this year where the attendance was over 2,700 (without that game, attendance would be up about 100 over last year instead of 200). I don't think attendance numbers are the "factoid" you think they are for this argument.

Not quite, there were a handful of things denied the first time around. But if you can sell it as a scholarship, it should be approved with the current interpretation. That being said, if it is something that gets renewed, I wouldn't be surprised to see a more specific set of restrictions put in place.

No, the men and women teams typically have opposite schedules, for example UND WBB played at UM and MSU this weekend while UND MBB hosted UM and MSU. There was a double header against SUU both here and there last year for some reason last year, but don't recall why.

Put the women's numbers out there for a fair comparison. Your numbers very closely coincide with the discontinuation of double headers for the most part which, while not the only reason for a drop in attendance, definitely plays a factor.

I think the allotment per participating team was something like 500. The place holds about 5,000. The way sales have already went, at worst it will be 70% UND fans regardless of who else makes it. The other 30% on how many tickets get returned from participating teams allotment. Don't see any other team having much more than the 10% they are allotted unless they pay big bucks on the secondary market or are very quick on jumping on returned tickets.

Well yeah, but like the geniuses from Fargo University said, did you read the bill?? I suppose it doesn't explicitly say "YOU CAN'T USE THIS FOR ATHLETICS," it just specifically mentions academics and then follows that by giving the examples of what it was meant for.

There are legislators that were caught off guard by this as well and are requesting clarification. Their understanding is that athletics were not allowed in any fashion, it was too be strictly academics (but keep spinning). There will likely be more review on it next month before funds are given out. As for the dollar amount, didn't Brescani threaten to shut down a school owned child care center over something like $100K when he was pleading poverty a few years back? Nice to see he's gotten things straightened out and clearly is funded at a level where he can divert almost half a million to athletics instead of academics.

Guessing you meant Sharp and not Sparks. PJ transferred before last season.

Drake down tunnel after getting clipped. DU gets called for a 5 minute major. Can't say I've ever seen clipping called in hockey.

I bet you'd have a tough time finding anyone that believes you. I have no doubt you'd prefer that UND wins but at this point you're so invested in Jones being fired that you feel like every loss validates you somehow.

No worries Dan, the funds aren't yet approved and it will be looked into further. I guess UND alumni and their administration can read and understand what "exclusively for the advancement of academics" means. Port has a grudge with the SBoHE, he takes UND task plenty. Don't believe everything you read on bisonville. Again, Port has taken many shots at UND. His disdain is with higher ed. Maybe NDSU should quite giving him all the opportunities to be written about. And I'm still waiting on all kinds of articles on NDSU's football programs. Coach getting a DUI a few weeks after being hired, multiple minors and even another theft case! I'm sure all of those are in the Forum's archives since they are so tough on FU.

My guess is that was due to their three point shooting. That's how MSU has been successful this year. UND's goal was to prevent it. Guessing Shanks was out for the majority of that. Not sure what happened to him but he was less than 100%.

The kick pass assist was a nice set up to be gut punched by a nice defensive stop turned into an off balance game winner from behind the backboard. Reffing in the Big Sky continues to be questionable at best.

Yep.

The joy you get out of that is sad. Please explain where coaching was the downfall in this game. Sure didn't look like it in person.

Reading the game thread the next day never fails to entertain. Good effort last night, felt like UND had it in hand from the puck drop.

Hope a decent crowd shows up despite the cold weather. Results have been far from ideal but the games have been entertaining. Need to pull this one out tomorrow.

Coach Stevens was very entertaining at the luncheon today. Sounds like they played 6 freshman in the starting line-up for the majority of their 4 game tournament last weekend.