jdub27

Well minus UND having to make huge cuts under state orders while the a member of the REA board throws a fit when they are asked to do the same by renegotiating an annually renewable contract....

Can't complain about the location or rink on this one, need to find something....

Since they usually play it as the Hall of Fame game to use the exemption status, I don't think they'd change the format.

How does selling that land for development play into this?

The "consensus" picked the nickname which is terribly bland and led to the logo. But everyone needed a voice...

Tough to do since UND isn't a member until 2020. I'm thinking with how easy it is to cut out chunks of turf, they should look at removing the Big Sky logos and selling some more ad space for the next two years. Just make a big jigsaw puzzle out of the whole thing.

The REA has given back nowhere near $2.3 million each year, that figure is how much UND has paid the REA as part of the revenue share agreement. It also does not include the $247K UND paid in box office fees or the $1.1 million in utilities, maintenance staff, phone service and other expenses. UND received $750K back last year after sending around $3.7 million to the REA. As to your other question, my guess is that football ticket revenue going to the REA is between $250-300K.

Considering it's a public facility, that seems fairly logical. It also makes it a bit different than the REA/BESC, which UND pays millions of dollars to be the sole tenant of.

Based on what? Are they redoing the turf or did they change the apparent sponsorship language? It's not like the court at the Betty or ice at the REA is scheduled to be redone anytime soon so it'd be simple to do. Or that those two arenas are the full-time homes for those UND programs instead of a renting tenant with no other affiliation.

Even if you don't start from scratch, they can apparently cost over $3 million. And that's only for 30 players.

The issue hasn't been lack of funds directed to the programs. There are also plenty of schools have more than one "successful" program. All a mere drop in the bucket compared to what was spent on the lawsuit that had zero returns unless you count negative publicity.

P5 school's with programs (or in conferences) that can demand massive TV revenue for their athletic department. Meanwhile, UND doesn't even keep half of it's own ticket revenue. One of these things is not like the other...

Why, is the Alerus center operating outside of their agreement with UND? And I don't think we've seen any proof that Kennedy threatened to pull any of the teams other some accusations and we've seen how accurate some of the comments have been thus far. If you can't figure out the difference between the relationships with the REA/UND and Alerus Center/UND, then I can't help you. To my knowledge, none of the conversations on the layout of the Alerus Center turf nor the sponsorship requirements that the Alerus Center and Altru required for their contribution to the new turf (though I fully agree that there should have been a logo at midfield like it is at Memorial). However we have been privy to a portion of the conversation in regards to the layout of the court at the BESC and it has nothing to do with sponsorship logos so I'm not sure why you're trying to make the comparison. Again, the Alerus Center isn't required to operate in the best interest of UND athletics. The REA/BESC is and completely ignored the court design preferred by the President, AD, every single coach who uses the BESC along with UND Marketing/Branding with zero reason (or at least any that they admitted to, not hard to read between the lines).

Straw man argument. The Alerus is not set up with the sole purpose to operate in the best interest of UND athletics, the relationship is nowhere near the same. Changing turf is also completely different than changing graphics on a court (that was scheduled to be done regardless) or stencils under ice. However I wouldn't be surpassed if it's on the turf before it's on the ice at the REA. That being said, they have done a hell of a lot more to incorporate the new logo than the REA, like putting it on the outside of the building. You'll have a better argument when the REA or BESC do something along those lines. I think they even have built in spots to place the when they finally get around to it.

Correct, it is my opinion. However it is based on that the athletic department saw significant cuts, yet apparently can't renegotiate their annual revenue split contract with their largest partner, who continues to take the same amount of money while providing for only certain programs within the department. There's no arguing that because of this, the football program has shouldered more burden since they don't see a direct benefit from the REA, yet give 52% of their ticket revenue to them.

The phrase "for the benefit of UND athletics" is literally the mission statement in the foundation documents for REA. Yes, the hockey team was always going to benefit from it the most, without question, however not to the point where it's at the expense of other programs.

Which has everything to do with with the $110 million gift given to support UND athletics. Without that gift, hockey isn't sitting anywhere near where it is today.

Ignoring point 3 already. If UND is going to be a "hockey" school, then the hockey program is going to have to support other sports. I don't see NDSU taking significant issue with their football team helping support their other sports. The issue is that hockey is pretty maxed out at UND, so increased revenue for the department needs to come from FB, MBB, WBB and VB. Because of the revenue share with the REA, they haven't taken it on the chin to the level the rest of the athletic department has, which has only exacerbated the problem elsewhere. Kind of makes it hard to improve certain programs while they are shouldering the cuts for others while already at a disadvantage. Yes, hockey needs to remain successful because it is a revenue driver, but that doesn't mean they are untouchable and without question.

UND is so unlucky to have a president that the search committee for the school with the largest undergrad enrollment in the nation approached him to apply. What a bum for looking at tripling his salary and advancing his career. UND should definitely stick with either academia who are looking for their last job before retiring (which has recently worked out much better for them) or someone who is content on being at UND until they retire.

A few points: We keep hearing about hockey is so profitable yet no one can explain why 52% of football ticket revenue is needed to support operations of the REA/BESC and apparently MK is the bad guy for wanting to renegotiate an almost two decade old deal that is set up to be renegotiated every year. If hockey is paying 52% of their ticket revenue to the REA, then they aren't profitable through ticket sales. The REA was set up to support all of UND athletics, ignoring that and the fact that the hockey program is where it is only because of an extraordinary outside gift is just changing the narrative from reality.

I think your number is a bit high assuming the NCAA reports are correct. Last year the rough amount of football ticket revenue that went to the REA was ~$250K and that was easily a high water mark over the last number of years. Regardless, the athletic department made a deal that made sense almost two decades ago. However that deal is also renewed annually and UND doesn't feel like it's currently making sense for them, giving the right to negotiate it.

I have always assumed this was the plan, but in order for that to work, the relationship needs to continue to be beneficial from both sides. As things sit right now, that is not happening (whether or not it is real or perceived doesn't even matter). The UND athletic department has faced significant budget cuts while apparently being unable to being able to renegotiate with their biggest partner to help ease the pain, while that partner (whose sole reason for existence is to operate in the most beneficial way to support UND athletics) has continued to see the same amount of revenue come in.

2020 Per the tax returns, he doesn't receive any compensation from any of the three main entities.

No significant donor is making their decisions based on what is said by anonymous message board rubes. Claiming that is what they are basing their decision off of is more insulting to their intelligence than anything posted here. But just for fun, since you can GUARANTEE it, name some names to back it up.

I can probably find the actual terms later but here's a decade old article showing NDSU and the Fargodome having a disagreement in rent (sound familiar?) but NDSU absolutely pays rent for their use of the Fargodome. http://www.inforum.com/content/rent-revenue-sharing-issue-ndsu-lease-fargodome And as already stated, one of the biggest parts of Phase 2 is the locker room and coaches offices. Though i don't disagree with your solution to the issue.