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Looking back UND has been pretty balanced between the run and the pass for the majority of the last 10-15 years. The last few years have been the exception due to how poor the QB play has been. If you look at UND's national championship team and most of the playoff teams you could almost argue that some of those teams were pass first, as opposed to run first. UND's recruiting hasn't changed but actually reflects the continuation of this strategy. UND has always had large possession receivers (Lueck, Stottleman, Trenbeath) to complement smaller, quicker receivers (Dressler, Dan Graf). Theyv'e also generally based their RB recruiting on speed of the player with less of a focus on size (i.e. Strouth, Beatty, Jim Miller were all different body types but were all RB's at UND). NDSU recruits RB's the same way because the guys who are 6'2", 220lbs and run a 4.4 aren't playing at this level unless they have off the field issues that scared off larger programs. The defense will be the same attacking defense it always has been.

For the first four years of the Great West's existence the only fully funded teams were NDSU and Cal Poly (and I'm not sure about Cal Poly). How can the league have been that much tougher back then when most schools were funding 35-40 scholarships than it was last year when every school was fully funded to the FCS max? I'm anxious to hear your reasoning.

To Chewey, Watchmaker, DaveK and all the other losers on both sides of this issue who fought night and day to try and destroy this university and it's athletic programs, I want you to know that by every measure you've failed. For Watchmaker and the rest of the anti-nickname cabal, please remember that UND is now in compliance with NCAA policy and there are few, if any, North Dakotan's who actually feel that the Fighting Sioux nickname is racist. As a result of UND's lawsuit, some of the logos at REA will be in place for the rest of your lifetime and UND will face no ill repercussions as a result of it. You have failed at winning the hearts and minds of ND's populace and ultimately the state's appreciation for it's flagship university overshadowed your cause. For Chewey and DaveK and the rest of the nickname at all costs crowd, UND is now able to host playoff games,host regional Division I opponents, and will win championships. The university and it's athletic programs will succeed without the Sioux nickname and I want to let you know that for every success that you would have compromised, there will be those, like me, waiting to rub your noses in it. You tried to destroy this university and it's athletic programs and failed miserably. Feel free to throw yourselves a pity party where you applaud each other for your steadfast committment to your beliefs but never forget that ultimately you're all failures and, unless you change your ways, will always be so.

"The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair and "The Grapes of Wrath" by John Steinbeck are both much better than Atlas Shrugged. Both books are inspired by what life was really like for most Americans before the reforms introduced during the New Deal. They both paint pretty stark pictures about the terrible abuses that took place when the wealthy of the country had free reign to exploit the working class without any interference from the government. I've read Atlas Shrugged and really can't describe it as anything other than the selfish rantings of one truly selfish human being. I still find it amazing how conservatives have embraced Ayn Rand considering her views on religion and on gun control. The views she espouses throughout Atlas Shrugged are completely antithetical to those championed by Jesus Christ yet you'll hear many politicians on the right list both as being prominent influences on their ideology.

I know this will probably send you into another nonsensical rant but the lawsuit you're railing against is no less frivolous than the Committee for Understanding and Respect's lawsuit against the NCAA or the lawsuits you advocate against schools like Minnesota that refuse to schedule UND because of the nickname. All are or would be frivolous lawsuits brought by parties that lack standing and haven't suffered any damages. You can't really rail against one and then piss and moan about the other just because you agree with one side.

I'm not compromising any principles or beliefs. I spent five years as a member of the UND football program and don't want to see a program that I was a part of destroyed because crybabies like yourself can't accept not getting your way. Every one of my former teammates that I've discussed the nickname with agrees that it's time drop the nickname. All of my former coaches are now opposed to keeping the nickname. Everyone who built the programs at UND recognizes that the nickname needs to go. The only people I know who are in favor of keeping it are uninformed, low information fans and people like yourself who want to punish UND for trying to drop the nickname. If you're so firm in your convictions I challenge you to go the spring game this weekend to preach your message that sanctions aren't that big of a sacrifice for the nickname. Tell that to some of the players and their families and see what kind of response you get. I think it's somewhat telling that no one from the nickname at all costs crowd has been willing to address the athletes at UND in any official or unofficial setting. I'd guess they haven't, as most are total cowards who'd immediately be forced to back off their positions when challenged by those with an actual stake in the university. Also, I hope you're inability to compromise doesn't carry over to your personal and professional life. It's my experience that people who are are unwilling to compromise on anything usually end up as unemployed losers with zero prospects for success. This may already be your case but that's still not a good reason to expect UND to take the same path.

That's a pretty bold statement. So Frank Black Cloud, Archie Fool Bear, Eunice Davidson, and 70% of the Spirt Lake tribe have more credibility than Dale Lennon, Dave Hakstol, and Chris Mussman? What have any of them ever done in service to the university? Not a goddamn thing and you know it. Frank Black Cloud lied openly regarding the sanctions in the Grand Forks Herald when he said that the nickname will not harm the university. It already has and he knows it as he's a shameless liar much like yourself.

Al Carlson and his cronies will have their knives sharpened for NDSU next. When that time comes NDSU will need allies and I hope a lot of UND supporters remember NDSU grads like you that helped him destroy UND. You'll reap what you sow.

So are Lennon, Kelly, Mussman, Hakstol, O'Keefe, and Faison all lying? Your side has slandered all of them. They all have substantially greater credibility on this issue than you, Rob Port, Frank Black Cloud, and the rest of the nickname idiots. To this point all nickname supporters have done is lie repeatedly to muddle the issue. Petition circulators told numerous signers that keeping the law would force the NCAA to get rid of their sanctions. Their is zero evidence that this is possible and your side has blatantly misstated that position publicly.

All your side has is perceived grievances. It's also laughable you'd label anything propaganda since nearly all of your posts include half-truths, outright lies, or slanders against those who disagree with you.

Chewy, why don't you do us all a favor and not post on this topic until you have an original thought instead of continually posting your same laundry list of perceived grievances over and over again.

As a former athlete who poured blood, sweat, and tears into the programs at UND I"m disgusted that you're going to have more of a say in this than I am. What have you ever done for the athletic program at UND other than sit on your ass and cheer at hockey games? What was your contribution to building up the nickname you supposedly love so much?

All that Fetch, Dave K, and BobIwabuchiFan do is sit on this forum and whine and complain because the school wants to get rid of the nickname. They're hoping to destroy UND athletics just because they didn't get their way on the nickname issue. That's the sad truth of a lot of the nickname supporters. They're behaving like three year olds and it's time we started calling it like it is. This isn't all nickname supporters but it's definitely those three and probably Chewy as well as a good contingent of those circulating these petitions.

The athletes, coaches, and most of the fans and alumni no longer want to be known as the Fighting Sioux anymore. Grow up and deal with. Please find another team to be a fan of and stop being such a crying, whiny bitch.

The school, the coaches,the athletes, most alumni and fans no longer want to be the Fighting Sioux anymore. They'd rather be something else and have a chance to be successful. They've "sold their soul" according to you so please go find another team to root for and move on. If being the Fighting Sioux is a condition for you to continue being a fan then your no longer a fan we want anymore.

It's going to be a pretty pyrric victory for fans of the Sioux nickname. If the nickname is retained after June 6th, UND will likely be dropped from the Big Sky conference which will be the start of a rapid decline in the quality and competitiveness of UND's athletic teams. For UND basketball and football the effect will be almost immediate as athletes and coaches will transfer and leave for other schools. The football program likely won't last more than three or four more years without a conference. Basketball and the other sports at UND will be rendered entirely non-competitive. Hockey would likely remain competitive for one or two more seasons but would gradually begin to decline until the program more closely resembles programs like Alaska- Anchorage or Michigan Tech. UND will be incapable of recruiting the talent necessary to win another championship or even make a Frozen Four. When this happens Rob Port, Al Carlson, Frank Black Cloud, and the rest of the nickname crowd will immediatly begin deflecting all blame towards the UND administration. Every one of them is gutless coward and is so lacking in integrity that they'll refuse to accept any accountability for their actions. After 7-10 years of athletic futility, the voters of the state of ND will finally allow UND to retire the nickname. Fans like Dave K, Chewy, and Fetch will no longer be Sioux fans at that time as they'll likely be cheering for other more successful athletic programs like NDSU and Minnesota. Real UND fans can then start the process of rebuilding UND's athletic program. A task that will likely take a decade or more. In the end the Sioux nickname won't survive another decade regardless of what happens in the next few months.

They said "Someone needs to do something about the NCAA, they are out of control" and then went back to doing whatever they were doing before you told them this story, most of them probably forgot about it 10 minutes after you were done talking to them. I guarantee that none of them called their congressmen in righteous indignation, none of them will send donations to UND's athletic department to mitigate the harm from NCAA sanctions, none of them will send a single dollar to Spirit Lake so that they can hire an attorney competent enough to at least proofread a legal brief before submitting it to the court. Not one of the people you talk to will do a single thing to help UND keep the nickname and they "know all the facts" as you claim. It's time to grow up and move one.

People file ridiculous lawsuits that have no chance of success everyday in America. Not all of them are news stories and neither is this one.

To clarify, I agree that the tribes should have a say in how the logo and nickname are used. However, especially now that nickname supporters both within the tribe and outside the tribe are expecting the athletic programs at UND to suffer serious consequences to retain the Fighting Sioux nickame, I don't think that tribal support of the nickname alone is a good enough reason to retain the nickname. The opinions of the tribes matter little when UND athletes will be the ones who actually have to suffer to keep the Sioux nickname.

Why exactly should the opinions of these people matter the most? Should the fact they they were born Sioux Indian trump nearly everyone elses voice in this, including alumni whose dollars bankroll the programs they want to co-opt? Is UND and UND athletics sole purpose to honor the Sioux tribes? I'd really like to hear your answer on this.

Your source is a liar. I spoke with every football coach regarding the nickname this past summer. They were in universal agreement that it had to be changed to prevent serious consequences with conference affiliation.

The FB team has workouts at 6:00 AM tomorrow morning much like they do every day of the offseason. I'd imagine that the women's hockey team has as rigorous a workout/ practice schedule as the FB team. If you really believe this crap you just wrote, then I challenge you to go to a workout/ practice session and look those athletes in the eye to tell them that it doesn't matter that they need to go on the road for any future playoff games. If you don't have the balls to do this then quite frankly you're a coward who should STFU regarding this issue. It's as simple as that.

This is exactly what will happen. UND will go back on the sanctions list and every athletic team on campus will pay the price so the hockey team can call itself the Fighting Sioux. I wouldn't really put it past ND's idiot legislature to try and pursue another court case against the NCAA and get hit with punitive damages for re-litigating a settled issue. Think about that nickname supporters, we'll get to keep the nickname, the NCAA can keep us on their sanctions list, and at the end of the day we'll get to write them a big fat check. I use to try and defend the school when Bison fans said that UND was a hockey only school, but it turns out they were dead right. 90% of this board could really give a !@#$ about anything else at the university other than the hockey team and the nickname and they're proud of it. As a former athlete, I'm going to say it's a real shame that athletes who show up every day, bust their ass on the practice fields and in the classroom will now get to pay the price so that fat, asshole fans can call themselves the Fighting Sioux while patting themselves on the back for "sticking it to the man". I'll still support the football team and the rest of the university, but it will be cold day in hell if a single dollar of mine ever goes to supports this asinine nickname fight or your beloved hockey team. As for this board, I'm done with it. It's obviously for Sioux nickname fans and I'm a fan of the entire university so this isn't the place for me. I may stop by and read from time to time if I feel like pounding my head against the wall, but for the most part I'll probably just ignore it. Enjoy your victory while it lasts, it's only a matter of time before the NCAA goes after UND's golden goose. I, sincerely, hope they do so the rest of you actually have some skin in this game.

I can't believe this idiocy is going to pass. The ND legislators pushing for this must be functionally illiterate. Isn't there an attorney anywhere on this legislative committee who can explain what it means when something is "dismissed with prejudice"? If a lawyer in private practice pulled something like this they would be sued for malpractice and deservedly so. This is pretty much going along as I feared. UND athletes in sports like BB, FB, etc. will take it in the shorts so the hockey team can wear the Sioux jersey for a few more seasons. It's not right and those athletes deserve better than to be used as fodder for politicians who really could give rats ass about the issue but see it as an opportunity to grandstand.

Should be 8-3 and at worst 7-4. A 6-5 season given how weak this schedule is would be completely unacceptable.