The Sather Conundrum

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Record by year 

2019/2020 - 12-18

2020/2021 - 9-17

2021/2022 - 4-25

2022/2023 - 11-20

2023/2024 - 15-14

2024/2025 - 9-21 

2025/2026 - 7-12 

Overall 67-127

That’s a win percentage of 34.54%. I would hope UND could aim for better 

[gfhockey]

Per source you now have to pay for the ultra seats

 

what a crock

 

and Val only gives her best friends the other seats infront of the stands that are in Manvel 

[coachdags]

18 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

So....Greg is saying the best somebody can possibly do at UND is with 39% of their games.  That stinks

Nice spin...

Upgrade your facilities, offer some amenities, construct a NIL program, get a fan base, offer better pay for the Coach, his assitants and support staff, but still no guarantee.

[gfhockey]

1 minute ago, coachdags said:

Nice spin...

Upgrade your facilities, offer some amenities, construct a NIL program, get a fan base, offer better pay for the Coach, his assitants and support staff, but still no guarantee.

Whose job is it to construct nil program? Is it coaches? Alumni? Ad? Just curious I guess. 

[F'n Hawks]

24 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Per source you now have to pay for the ultra seats

 

what a crock

 

and Val only gives her best friends the other seats infront of the stands that are in Manvel 

Back row is still open to the public or no? Last Saturday the first 3 rows were reserved but any body could stand up top.

[coachdags]

23 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Whose job is it to construct nil program? Is it coaches? Alumni? Ad? Just curious I guess. 

I believe that mainly should fall on the Alumni Foundation and Administration, although a Coach can certainly help at times. 

In UND case, we do very little to nothing for any Sports other than Hockey.

Not sure you guys remember the UND Baseball Team helped clean the Ralph Engelstead Arena to help support Uniforms and travel for their program until it was cut. 

[coachdags]

31 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Whose job is it to construct nil program? Is it coaches? Alumni? Ad? Just curious I guess. 

Just a post script, do you think Indiana wins a National Title unless, this Alumni came aboard? 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/how-much-mark-cuban-donated-indiana-nil-funding/afbaba2e473cfb56806a2f09

[NewUndFan]

2 hours ago, coachdags said:

I trust Greg McDermott's basketball knowledge over anyone calling the shots at UND.

I have known Greg for over 35 years; he will tell you the Truth. 

Paul Sather is a Good Coach, a good recruiter, and understands the game! He is currently the Best Option UND can afford.

If UND could pay $500,000 to $1 million a year, then other options would be available.

I'm fine with Paul Sather leading this program; he has faced more challenges in the complexity of today's game than his previous Coaches Rich Glas, and Brian Jones. 

Winning is not easy, and for the most part we have been competitive, barring transfers and injuries. 

 

I am not looking at the challenges he has compared to old coaches.  I am looking at the challenges the whole summit league has.  No one is getting paid $1MM in the summit league, yet some teams seem to find a way to win.  Personal opinion would be to give a shot to a up and coming coach that would take our salary.  Yeah they probably wont be here long, but in this day in age I think that is what we need.  Dont give them a long contract and a short lease, but lets see what they can do. I think this year by adding Ty Danielson, we can see what a little new life can do.  

[F'n Hawks]

29 minutes ago, coachdags said:

Just a post script, do you think Indiana wins a National Title unless, this Alumni came aboard? 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/how-much-mark-cuban-donated-indiana-nil-funding/afbaba2e473cfb56806a2f09

Cuban is just the famous headline. They’ve got a huge alumni base that has donated much more.

[gfhockey]

Just think if Ralph was still alive I’m pretty sure McKenna would be in Grand Forks

[Long Snapper 92]

1 hour ago, coachdags said:

In UND case, we do very little to nothing for any Sports other than Hockey.

Although this is the very sad truth, this has very little to do with Sather’s success, or lack of success, at UND.

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 hours ago, F'n Hawks said:

Dollar dog night has obviously been a good idea, how can you run out of hot dogs so quickly again especially since the same thing happened last year. Can’t plan any better?

could there be argument about false advertising?  or do they say while 46 last ?

so seriously....taht crowd bc of dollar dogs...nothing else?  wowser

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 hours ago, coachdags said:

I trust Greg McDermott's basketball knowledge over anyone calling the shots at UND.

I have known Greg for over 35 years; he will tell you the Truth. 

Paul Sather is a Good Coach, a good recruiter, and understands the game! He is currently the Best Option UND can afford.

If UND could pay $500,000 to $1 million a year, then other options would be available.

I'm fine with Paul Sather leading this program; he has faced more challenges in the complexity of today's game than his previous Coaches Rich Glas, and Brian Jones. 

Winning is not easy, and for the most part we have been competitive, barring transfers and injuries. 

 

i disagree....jones went thru a lot of uncertainty

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 hours ago, coachdags said:

Nice spin...

Upgrade your facilities, offer some amenities, construct a NIL program, get a fan base, offer better pay for the Coach, his assitants and support staff, but still no guarantee.

so other than all of the above the bball program(s) are a smashing success bc...........................................

[SIOUXFAN97]

maybe should be under conf realignment...but...

would our athletic dept be better off if the hockey team left the nchc and joined the bus league ccha...wouldn't have to pay for the flights...could hire a bina to coach the team for 100k or so..we would win the mcnaughton cup every year....road series in bemidji, mankato, augie all within a few hours...and who doesn't like the UP in winter too....honestly the hockey program wouldn't skip a beat.

all the money saved goes into men's and women's bball and vball anmd football

your welcome

[sioux24/7]

Figuring out what to do with Sather is one thing but there seems to be another problem on the women’s side. I get it’s year 1 for Hutter but they are horrific and no where near competitive. I guess thankfully Omaha is in the conference to prop us up slightly. Meanwhile, our neighbors to the south knocked off SDSU’s 67 game win streak and are on the verge of an at large bid if the don’t win the SLT. 

[iramurphy]

3 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Just think if Ralph was still alive I’m pretty sure McKenna would be in Grand Forks

I’m not so sure. McKenna allegedly is getting $700,000 this year. 
Ralph was not a fool.  What would he then be asked to give other guys on the team?  What would that do to team chemistry if other guys don’t get even 1/2 that. A $10,000,000 endowment generates an annual income. Depending on how it’s invested let’s say $500,000 to $700,000 per year. Where does the money come from for everyone else?  How long will he stay? Will someone else give more to go somewhere else next year or will he be in NHL next year?

It’s the “Wild West” corrupted by greedy agents, an ineffective NCAA, and teenagers who are conflicted by big money, loyalty to teammates, and sometimes family giving poor advice. I would have to believe Ralph would want better odds for his ROI to make it worth while  

 

 

[gfhockey]

2 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

I’m not so sure. McKenna allegedly is getting $700,000 this year. 
Ralph was not a fool.  What would he then be asked to give other guys on the team?  What would that do to team chemistry if other guys don’t get even 1/2 that. A $10,000,000 endowment generates an annual income. Depending on how it’s invested let’s say $500,000 to $700,000 per year. Where does the money come from for everyone else?  How long will he stay? Will someone else give more to go somewhere else next year or will he be in NHL next year?

It’s the “Wild West” corrupted by greedy agents, an ineffective NCAA, and teenagers who are conflicted by big money, loyalty to teammates, and sometimes family giving poor advice. I would have to believe Ralph would want better odds for his ROI to make it worth while  

 

 

Ralph didn’t like to get beat I’ll tell you that if you actually knew him

 

[iramurphy]

Just now, gfhockey said:

Ralph didn’t like to get beat I’ll tell you that if you actually knew him

 

Met him briefly at the gathering in the conference room at Hyslop after he made the announcement about the REA and Eddie brought the Stanley Cup. I don’t believe I could say I knew him. 
 

People I know with that level of wealth don’t tend to make foolish decisions. Most of them have foundations that manage large donations. They prefer to choose recipients of their donations based on preset guidelines. Most don’t like to be approached with specific requests.  Engelstad’s relationship with UND was personal and that tends to make difference. You knew him, I didn’t. I’ll defer to you. 

 

[UND-FB-FAN]

18 hours ago, coachdags said:

I trust Greg McDermott's basketball knowledge over anyone calling the shots at UND.

I have known Greg for over 35 years; he will tell you the Truth. 

Paul Sather is a Good Coach, a good recruiter, and understands the game! He is currently the Best Option UND can afford.

If UND could pay $500,000 to $1 million a year, then other options would be available.

I'm fine with Paul Sather leading this program; he has faced more challenges in the complexity of today's game than his previous Coaches Rich Glas, and Brian Jones. 

Winning is not easy, and for the most part we have been competitive, barring transfers and injuries. 

 

Certainly these mediocre expectations are on par with what the insider perspective and philosophy on UND basketball has been and is, also. Cruel reality, until a major donor steps forward.

[UND-FB-FAN]

11 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Ralph didn’t like to get beat I’ll tell you that if you actually knew him

 

Being a competitor, if you are one, never leaves you… 

[UND-FB-FAN]

17 hours ago, coachdags said:

I believe that mainly should fall on the Alumni Foundation and Administration, although a Coach can certainly help at times. 

In UND case, we do very little to nothing for any Sports other than Hockey.

Not sure you guys remember the UND Baseball Team helped clean the Ralph Engelstead Arena to help support Uniforms and travel for their program until it was cut. 

Cruel reality, also, and needs to change or will continue be regional and in-state laughing stock. Other than hockey, there are a few non-hockey (also non-athletics) options / programs that keep things afloat…

[UND-FB-FAN]

17 hours ago, coachdags said:

Nice spin...

Upgrade your facilities, offer some amenities, construct a NIL program, get a fan base, offer better pay for the Coach, his assitants and support staff, but still no guarantee.

I think this “spin” actually is an accurate one…

need all of those things you mentioned or else UND is in fact a 0.39 winning percentage basketball program …

[AJS]

16 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

maybe should be under conf realignment...but...

would our athletic dept be better off if the hockey team left the nchc and joined the bus league ccha...wouldn't have to pay for the flights...could hire a bina to coach the team for 100k or so..we would win the mcnaughton cup every year....road series in bemidji, mankato, augie all within a few hours...and who doesn't like the UP in winter too....honestly the hockey program wouldn't skip a beat.

all the money saved goes into men's and women's bball and vball anmd football

your welcome

Let's take part of this. A few years ago, I noticed they flew to Omaha. Couldn't be a bigger waste of money. This year, they bussed. Smart. Every year when they play Bemidji everyone complains. UND has a great contract signed with them. Bus trip. I think it's they do home and home for 3 years and 4th UND gets two home games. Play Mankato or Augie non-conference along with Bemidji & MN every year. There are small tweaks to scheduling for hockey that can really save some $ and that won't affect the product.  

[CMSioux]

4 minutes ago, AJS said:

Let's take part of this. A few years ago, I noticed they flew to Omaha. Couldn't be a bigger waste of money. This year, they bussed. Smart. Every year when they play Bemidji everyone complains. UND has a great contract signed with them. Bus trip. I think it's they do home and home for 3 years and 4th UND gets two home games. Play Mankato or Augie non-conference along with Bemidji & MN every year. There are small tweaks to scheduling for hockey that can really save some $ and that won't affect the product.  

That makes a big assumption that hockey is worried about saving money. Football players show up for basketball games, basketball players show up for football games...it ends there.