new hockey jerseys

[SIOUXFAN97]

8 minutes ago, Speed_Kills said:

Losing the interlocking ND was (from a fan perspective) an unexpected outcome of the re-brand and an extra kick in the nuts. The football team had a variant of that for decades.

instead of using the horizontal interlocking nd why not just pivot the a vertical split like my avatar thingy....

 

[Fratt Mattin]

5 minutes ago, Speed_Kills said:

Losing the interlocking ND was (from a fan perspective) an unexpected outcome of the re-brand and an extra kick in the nuts. The football team had a variant of that for decades.

Completely agree. It was such a prominent part of the university’s branding for a long time. Pivoting to that as the school’s primary logo would’ve offered continuity and allowed fans to feel like our identity hadn’t been totally stripped away. Instead they decided to throw the baby out with the bathwater for reasons I still don’t understand

[tnt]

15 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

roughriders was the so obvious choice for so many reasons....

Still mad at the committee that didn’t even adhere to their own criteria.  In what world is Hawks unique?

[108498]

it seems UND is switching to Nodak as their main thing. The softball team had NODAK and the new hockey jerseys seem to have NODAK.

[The Sicatoka]

The interlocked ND is trademark controlled by "Our Lady of South Bend". No bueno. Had to get special dispensation to wear it on the silver helmet for just one game recently. 

The vertical alignment is used on letterman's jackets by "the other guys".
https://www.etsy.com/listing/4310823452/vintage-north-dakota-state-bison-90s?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_-clothing_a&utm_custom1=_k_EAIaIQobChMIxY_S0KLqjQMVxSvUAR0PLzQeEAQYASABEgKpBvD_BwE_k_&utm_content=go_21500569338_164907277163_707558291657_pla-301856858318_c__4310823452_12768591&utm_custom2=21500569338&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21500569338&gbraid=0AAAAADtcfRLoFJhwoXCSgGALMX52CDCul&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxY_S0KLqjQMVxSvUAR0PLzQeEAQYASABEgKpBvD_BwE 

[The Sicatoka]

48 minutes ago, tnt said:

Still mad at the committee that didn’t even adhere to their own criteria.  In what world is Hawks unique?

This to me is the legitimate complaint. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

The interlocked ND is trademark controlled by "Our Lady of South Bend". No bueno. Had to get special dispensation to wear it on the silver helmet for just one game recently. 

The vertical alignment is used on letterman's jackets by "the other guys".
https://www.etsy.com/listing/4310823452/vintage-north-dakota-state-bison-90s?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_-clothing_a&utm_custom1=_k_EAIaIQobChMIxY_S0KLqjQMVxSvUAR0PLzQeEAQYASABEgKpBvD_BwE_k_&utm_content=go_21500569338_164907277163_707558291657_pla-301856858318_c__4310823452_12768591&utm_custom2=21500569338&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21500569338&gbraid=0AAAAADtcfRLoFJhwoXCSgGALMX52CDCul&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxY_S0KLqjQMVxSvUAR0PLzQeEAQYASABEgKpBvD_BwE 

is the vertical nd state tm'd?

never seen that before...interesting.

[Fratt Mattin]

15 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

The interlocked ND is trademark controlled by "Our Lady of South Bend". No bueno. Had to get special dispensation to wear it on the silver helmet for just one game recently. 

The vertical alignment is used on letterman's jackets by "the other guys".
https://www.etsy.com/listing/4310823452/vintage-north-dakota-state-bison-90s?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_-clothing_a&utm_custom1=_k_EAIaIQobChMIxY_S0KLqjQMVxSvUAR0PLzQeEAQYASABEgKpBvD_BwE_k_&utm_content=go_21500569338_164907277163_707558291657_pla-301856858318_c__4310823452_12768591&utm_custom2=21500569338&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21500569338&gbraid=0AAAAADtcfRLoFJhwoXCSgGALMX52CDCul&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxY_S0KLqjQMVxSvUAR0PLzQeEAQYASABEgKpBvD_BwE 

Even still, I don’t understand why the old licensing agreement couldn’t be left in place and UND could not continue to use it in a more secondary capacity. I do see now why it couldn’t be the primary logo though

[Going48]

2 hours ago, tnt said:

Still mad at the committee that didn’t even adhere to their own criteria.  In what world is Hawks unique?

Boom!! goes the truth.

[I Ranger]

15 minutes ago, Going48 said:

Boom!! goes the truth.

And I've said this a million times as well. The committee swayed the vote by putting "Fighting" in front of hawks. I've said it forever that whatever nickname they put "Fighting" in front of was most likely going to win. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

fighting rough riders would've won in a landslide

[Benny Baker]

4 hours ago, I Ranger said:

And I've said this a million times as well. The committee swayed the vote by putting "Fighting" in front of hawks. I've said it forever that whatever nickname they put "Fighting" in front of was most likely going to win. 

Hard to believe UND’s current nickname was chosen by a whopping 15,000 people. 

[Dustin]

8 hours ago, Speed_Kills said:

Losing the interlocking ND was (from a fan perspective) an unexpected outcome of the re-brand and an extra kick in the nuts. The football team had a variant of that for decades.

Agreed. Big loss. 

[Dustin]

I would be in favor of a full NODAK takeover of everything. 

[nodak651]

10 minutes ago, Dustin said:

I would be in favor of a full NODAK takeover of everything. 

This

[siouxkid12]

20 hours ago, 108498 said:

I am not on campus and do not live in North Dakota, so I couldn't know for sure, but do you feel as though the university regrets the fighting hawk mascot? It seems the hockey program in particular has distance itself from iit from the very beginning. If the program was proud of it, wouldn't that be on the jersey more?I mean vs. NODAK?

No matter what, the hockey program was never going to get behind a nickname that wasn't "Fighting Sioux". Berry was one of the worst coaches to help embrace the Fighting Hawks nickname and I think if he had embraced the Hawks nickname there wouldn't be as much complaining from the fans.

[Und Princess]

16 hours ago, 108498 said:

it seems UND is switching to Nodak as their main thing. The softball team had NODAK and the new hockey jerseys seem to have NODAK.

But the NODAK jerseys for softball aren't the primary.  The Hawk ones are primary. 

[Fratt Mattin]

4 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

No matter what, the hockey program was never going to get behind a nickname that wasn't "Fighting Sioux". Berry was one of the worst coaches to help embrace the Fighting Hawks nickname and I think if he had embraced the Hawks nickname there wouldn't be as much complaining from the fans.

Don’t really think you can pin it on Berry. Nobody was ever going to embrace a name that generic and meaningless. On the contrary, I think it would’ve alienated a lot of fans if they had tried to force a name everyone hated down our throats.

[tnt]

1 hour ago, siouxkid12 said:

No matter what, the hockey program was never going to get behind a nickname that wasn't "Fighting Sioux". Berry was one of the worst coaches to help embrace the Fighting Hawks nickname and I think if he had embraced the Hawks nickname there wouldn't be as much complaining from the fans.

   I agree with this wholeheartedly, so maybe the committee should have put up Hawks as a sacrificial name that could be changed after a few years when the faithful saw how bad a nickname could be. Of course you would always have those that would never let go, but you would get some to accept a better, unique name with something synonymous with the state of North Dakota.  
   If you could come up with a multi cultural logo for Nodak, that would demonstrate the state’s Scandinavian, Native American and other ethnical backgrounds, it would encompass all the groups that make up the population.  It could show a pride in the region rather than a negative perception of a state considered flyover country.
   “Let’s play Nodak hockey” would mean something because it would be tied to the hardworking groups tied to the state that work together to make the state unique.

[siouxkid12]

1 hour ago, Fratt Mattin said:

Don’t really think you can pin it on Berry. Nobody was ever going to embrace a name that generic and meaningless. On the contrary, I think it would’ve alienated a lot of fans if they had tried to force a name everyone hated down our throats.

All the other coaches had seemed to get on board with it. I dont have enough fingers or toes to count how many times a hockey player referenced "Fighting Sioux" or "Sioux Hockey" in an interview, when those players had never been associated with the fighting sioux nickname. You never heard anyone from other sports screw up like that.
Name changes are hard (especially coming from having the greatest nickname/logo) but if everyone (donors and coaches) embraces it, it can become easier.

[Fratt Mattin]

11 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

All the other coaches had seemed to get on board with it. I dont have enough fingers or toes to count how many times a hockey player referenced "Fighting Sioux" or "Sioux Hockey" in an interview, when those players had never been associated with the fighting sioux nickname. You never heard anyone from other sports screw up like that.
Name changes are hard (especially coming from having the greatest nickname/logo) but if everyone (donors and coaches) embraces it, it can become easier.

As a fan who liked the old name/logo I just appreciate the hockey program not rolling over like every other sport. I didn’t want the change to be “easier”, I actually wanted quite the opposite. But I guess I’m stubborn.

[siouxkid12]

2 minutes ago, tnt said:

   I agree with this wholeheartedly, so maybe the committee should have put up Hawks as a sacrificial name that could be changed after a few years when the faithful saw how bad a nickname could be. Of course you would always have those that would never let go, but you would get some to accept a better, unique name with something synonymous with the state of North Dakota.  
   If you could come up with a multi cultural logo for Nodak, that would demonstrate the states Scandinavian, Native American and other ethnical backgrounds, it would encompass all the groups that make up the population.  It could show a pride in the region rather than a negative perception of a state considered flyover country.
 

Having a nickname is so important (for branding purposes) that I can understand why UND wanted to push for a new one, but I think the whole no nickname wasn't long enough. 
From a branding perspective the fighting hawk logo is very sharp and clean, but it lacks identity like the Fighting Sioux logo. I think more people would've been more receptive to be called the "fighting hawks" if the logo had more identity. To me, the Fighting Sioux logo was ours. It was created by a native and a resident of the great state of North Dakota and now we are stuck with a secondary logo (that logo isn't good to be upfront on anything) that was created by someone outside the state that has no ties to us other than a paycheck. 

[Und Princess]

1 minute ago, Fratt Mattin said:

As a fan who liked the old name/logo I just appreciate the hockey program not rolling over like every other sport. I didn’t want the change to be “easier”, I actually wanted quite the opposite. But I guess I’m stubborn.

It was keep the sioux name and not be allowed to host national tournaments or change thename so they can. I look at the positive with the Hawks name we can host national tournaments.

[tnt]

1 minute ago, siouxkid12 said:

Having a nickname is so important (for branding purposes) that I can understand why UND wanted to push for a new one, but I think the whole no nickname wasn't long enough. 
From a branding perspective the fighting hawk logo is very sharp and clean, but it lacks identity like the Fighting Sioux logo. I think more people would've been more receptive to be called the "fighting hawks" if the logo had more identity. To me, the Fighting Sioux logo was ours. It was created by a native and a resident of the great state of North Dakota and now we are stuck with a secondary logo (that logo isn't good to be upfront on anything) that was created by someone outside the state that has no ties to us other than a paycheck. 

To that end, for Nodak, you could get input from many of the cultural groups that make up North Dakota and create a spoked logo encompassing the elements those groups feel are representative of their culture.  

[siouxkid12]

1 minute ago, Und Princess said:

It was keep the sioux name and not be allowed to host national tournaments or change thename so they can. I look at the positive with the Hawks name we can host national tournaments.

They couldn't use the nickname in postseason games and it wasn't just national tournaments (because the NCAA wasn't hosting national tournaments on campus any longer), it was also conference postseason games and if they wore them during the postseason tournaments, the NCAA could recoup money from UND. 
At the end of the day, keeping the nickname wasn't going to be an option once UND couldn't get Standing Rock to approve it.