Fire Berry Please!

[yzerman19]

Just now, Oxbow6 said:

If I was a current college D1 hockey player/prospect I don't think I could not give ASU a solid look. ASU is a great campus. Mullett is a good college rink. The weather is terrific. Golf courses aplenty.  Rocket coeds absolutely everywhere. I might even pay into the NIL to play there.

you aren't wrong...I know the head coach...I said how do you deal with the distraction?  He said same distractions...ours are just better looking

[brianvf]

Just now, Oxbow6 said:

If I was a current college D1 hockey player/prospect I don't think I could not give ASU a solid look. ASU is a great campus. Mullett is a good college rink. The weather is terrific. Golf courses aplenty.  Rocket coeds absolutely everywhere. I might even pay into the NIL to play there.

As long as you're not required to be anywhere in the vicinity of the campus for the middle 6 months of the year.
My family and I can't wait to get out of here...we're moving back to the Midwest in two years when my oldest graduates HS.

[yzerman19]

1 minute ago, Oxbow6 said:

What about passing?

If you don't move the puck at 18, you are done

[Oxbow6]

Just now, yzerman19 said:

you aren't wrong...I know the head coach...I said how do you deal with the distraction?  He said same distractions...ours are just better looking

Went to the UND series there in January.  Terrific experience all the way around.

[Oxbow6]

12 minutes ago, brianvf said:

As long as you're not required to be anywhere in the vicinity of the campus for the middle 6 months of the year.
My family and I can't wait to get out of here...we're moving back to the Midwest in two years when my oldest graduates HS.

You're soft....what is wrong with 100+ consecutive days with 100+ degree temps??

[cberkas]

Just now, brianvf said:

As long as you're not required to be anywhere in the vicinity of the campus for the middle 6 months of the year.
My family and I can't wait to get out of here...we're moving back to the Midwest in two years when my oldest graduates HS.

The one big problem at ASU, that could be solved if they built new dorms at poly campus, is students living in hotels 

[yzerman19]

2 minutes ago, brianvf said:

As long as you're not required to be anywhere in the vicinity of the campus for the middle 6 months of the year.
My family and I can't wait to get out of here...we're moving back to the Midwest in two years when my oldest graduates HS.

what is the midwest to you if ND isn't?  Kansas?  St Louis?

 

[Oxbow6]

10 minutes ago, cberkas said:

The one big problem at ASU, that could be solved if they built new dorms at poly campus, is students living in hotels 

The Road King and UND circa '87-'88 would like a word with you.

[yzerman19]

Look Brian, I respect your opinion and hatred of the weather, but I had to downvote it.  I don't live in GF, but I did.  hard winters are just understood...you had to have known this coming in?

[yzerman19]

I've lived all over the country, and nowhere is perfect.  CA is close, but the fires and earthquakes kinda put a damper on life.  East coast is less cold, but it is pretty similiar.   Pacific Northwest is the most beautiful place on earth for 3-4 months of the year.

[yzerman19]

I never lived in the deep south...been there many times...you can keep it

[Oxbow6]

The thing I noticed this hockey season is the number of empty lower bowl seats every night at the Ralph. Way more than past few years. Says season ticket holders are losing interest in the product and your average fan on the resale market is too.

[brianvf]

7 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

You're soft....what is wrong with 100+ days with 100+ degree temps??

Haha, after 15 years of setting records with consecutive 100+ days, we're kind of done.
Living in ND winters, at least you get periods of respite where it's 10-20 instead of being in the negative.
Even the nights are 95 here in the summer.  It's just relentless.

5 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

what is the midwest to you if ND isn't?  Kansas?  St Louis?

I live in Phx, AZ currently...not ND.   

3 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

Look Brian, I respect your opinion and hatred of the weather, but I had to downvote it.  I don't live in GF, but I did.  hard winters are just understood...you had to have known this coming in?

Downvote?  Ouch. 
I was born and raised in GF...spent the first 25 years of my life there.
I would prefer that over living in Phx like I do now, and it's more than just the weather.  But I don't think my wife would let us move back to GF...she's from MI, they can't handle the ND winters.  Ha!

1 minute ago, yzerman19 said:

I've lived all over the country, and nowhere is perfect.  CA is close, but the fires and earthquakes kinda put a damper on life.  East coast is less cold, but it is pretty similiar.   Pacific Northwest is the most beautiful place on earth for 3-4 months of the year.

Agreed on Pacific NW!

[yzerman19]

based on your reply, i removed the downvote

 

[brianvf]

7 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

based on your reply, i removed the downvote

 

No worries.   

[cberkas]

14 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

The Road King and UND circa '87-'88 would like a word with you.

Only freshman and international students get dorms from what I’ve heard. The Chinese students that were going to UND here stayed in only military barracks which I think are condemned lol

[Frozen4sioux]

4 hours ago, yzerman19 said:

you aren't wrong...I know the head coach...I said how do you deal with the distraction?  He said same distractions...ours are just better looking

Well there's the quantity aspect as well....

[Siouxdog7]

6 hours ago, yzerman19 said:

Look Brian, I respect your opinion and hatred of the weather, but I had to downvote it.  I don't live in GF, but I did.  hard winters are just understood...you had to have known this coming in?

I was parent napped at 11 years old and left beautiful California to land of hell grand forks why? grandforks was terrible intolerable weather, nasty mosquitoes and intolerable, hateful, misguided fundamental baptists. Kudos to und and central hockey, good eating establishments and widmans candy, so got to experience a little pleasure in the frozen tundra. Happy now living in Omaha Nebraska, but always a und hockey 🏒 fan.

[Scratch]

On Schmaltzs podcast last week Schloss said he knows of a player this year who was paid directly by a school the equivalent of a year of ELC to stay another year. The minimum ELC is 775k. If that’s right, the whole “hockey nil will only be in the single/tens of thousands” idea that people seem to believe and which Schloss somehow continues to argue holds true, can’t be. In his podcast a couple weeks ago, Schloss couldn’t even remember the name of UNDs collective, and the school has already said they won’t pay players directly (albeit that decision will be addressed annually, apparently). Schloss then essentially posited that players are being misled by the supposed big money and that UNDs $5,980 Alston awards are essentially of equal value to a 100k nil offer because the players full ride is gone if they take the nil. This is without considering the advantageous position schools that are only D1 in hockey will start to have next year. All I’ve heard from the Bismarck diehards is that they haven’t heard of any big money donors and have no reason to believe UND players are receiving any nil at all. If any of this is true, can anyone explain how UND can possibly remain competitive regardless of the coach? We will never get a Jake Sanderson again even if they want to go to UND-saying no to 10k is one thing but when the offer is instead quickly approaching one million the decision makes itself. I’m on the fire berry wagon but looking forward I don’t think even Herb Brooks could fix it through recruiting and coaching alone. But I certainly could be wrong about any of this. 
 

Last, Schloss bringing up the “last first round picks to win the title were from UND” thing is becoming more indefensible every time he says it. How many first round picks do the teams that make the frozen four every other year the last decade on average (BU, BC, Michigan, and MN) have Schloss? I don’t understand why the media wants us to compare ourselves to Mankato unless that’s where they think we’re headed.

[tnt]

31 minutes ago, Scratch said:

On Schmaltzs podcast last week Schloss said he knows of a player this year who was paid directly by a school the equivalent of a year of ELC to stay another year. The minimum ELC is 775k. If that’s right, the whole “hockey nil will only be in the single/tens of thousands” idea that people seem to believe and which Schloss somehow continues to argue holds true, can’t be. In his podcast a couple weeks ago, Schloss couldn’t even remember the name of UNDs collective, and the school has already said they won’t pay players directly (albeit that decision will be addressed annually, apparently). Schloss then essentially posited that players are being misled by the supposed big money and that UNDs $5,980 Alston awards are essentially of equal value to a 100k nil offer because the players full ride is gone if they take the nil. This is without considering the advantageous position schools that are only D1 in hockey will start to have next year. All I’ve heard from the Bismarck diehards is that they haven’t heard of any big money donors and have no reason to believe UND players are receiving any nil at all. If any of this is true, can anyone explain how UND can possibly remain competitive regardless of the coach? We will never get a Jake Sanderson again even if they want to go to UND-saying no to 10k is one thing but when the offer is instead quickly approaching one million the decision makes itself. I’m on the fire berry wagon but looking forward I don’t think even Herb Brooks could fix it through recruiting and coaching alone. But I certainly could be wrong about any of this. 
 

Last, Schloss bringing up the “last first round picks to win the title were from UND” thing is becoming more indefensible every time he says it. How many first round picks do the teams that make the frozen four every other year the last decade on average (BU, BC, Michigan, and MN) have Schloss? I don’t understand why the media wants us to compare ourselves to Mankato unless that’s where they think we’re headed.

How will Denver compete?  If things like a million dollar NIL become the norm, than there will only be a handful of teams that can afford that.  With Major Junior players eligible now, on top of the portal, you have other ways to stay competitive in that scenario.  If you can't compete using those tools, then you recruit all 25-year old Canadians and goon it up, because players that are getting a million dollars won't want to mess up their future NHL contracts with an injury going into the corner with a guy that couldn't give a crap if he gets a five minute major. 

[Scratch]

I suspect Denver will directly pay their players like the other big dogs, but if not, I'd guess they'll be in the same unfortunate shape as us.

[tnt]

1 minute ago, Scratch said:

I suspect Denver will directly pay their players like the other big dogs, but if not, I'd guess they'll be in the same unfortunate shape as us.

I will only say that we have two first round draft picks on our team this year, yet we are not exactly flourishing.  Sometimes it takes a while for the super talented guys to adjust to the college level, so you might get one big impact year from them. 

If you can still get the 2nd and 3rd round picks, you can compete quite well.   Older players help offset the high skill of these young studs.   Look at the US development teams, they have all studs, but still take their lumps playing teams with less talent but are a bit older.  Besides that, there are only a handful or so of these first round guys that go in the draft each year, and those teams constantly have to be replacing them every other year.   

The best situation is getting some elite players and supplementing them with guys that play together for a while that develop chemistry.  However if you want to compete with later round draft picks, portal players and Major Junior players, you better get guys that are willing to outwork and pay the price to compete with those teams with elite talent.  As we have seen, that is very possible. 

[fightingsioux4life]

3 hours ago, Scratch said:

On Schmaltzs podcast last week Schloss said he knows of a player this year who was paid directly by a school the equivalent of a year of ELC to stay another year. The minimum ELC is 775k. If that’s right, the whole “hockey nil will only be in the single/tens of thousands” idea that people seem to believe and which Schloss somehow continues to argue holds true, can’t be. In his podcast a couple weeks ago, Schloss couldn’t even remember the name of UNDs collective, and the school has already said they won’t pay players directly (albeit that decision will be addressed annually, apparently). Schloss then essentially posited that players are being misled by the supposed big money and that UNDs $5,980 Alston awards are essentially of equal value to a 100k nil offer because the players full ride is gone if they take the nil. This is without considering the advantageous position schools that are only D1 in hockey will start to have next year. All I’ve heard from the Bismarck diehards is that they haven’t heard of any big money donors and have no reason to believe UND players are receiving any nil at all. If any of this is true, can anyone explain how UND can possibly remain competitive regardless of the coach? We will never get a Jake Sanderson again even if they want to go to UND-saying no to 10k is one thing but when the offer is instead quickly approaching one million the decision makes itself. I’m on the fire berry wagon but looking forward I don’t think even Herb Brooks could fix it through recruiting and coaching alone. But I certainly could be wrong about any of this. 
 

Last, Schloss bringing up the “last first round picks to win the title were from UND” thing is becoming more indefensible every time he says it. How many first round picks do the teams that make the frozen four every other year the last decade on average (BU, BC, Michigan, and MN) have Schloss? I don’t understand why the media wants us to compare ourselves to Mankato unless that’s where they think we’re headed.

This does not sound like a full team effort.

It sounds like sitting on our collective arses and hoping all this resolves itself.

[90siouxfan]

It would be an interesting research project to search out the effect of blue chippas on college hockey teams...  there are examples galore of "loaded" teams not doing so well.  Elon would probably bogart my grant request and I have no research skills, one issue would be the definition of blue chippas, 1st rounders seem obvious but some years the top couple, few, half of the second round would be included, other years the cut off may be the 20th overall.  Lots of lists of first rounders going south in the NHL ranks.

[siouxkid12]

54 minutes ago, tnt said:

I will only say that we have two first round draft picks on our team this year, yet we are not exactly flourishing.  Sometimes it takes a while for the super talented guys to adjust to the college level, so you might get one big impact year from them. 

If you can still get the 2nd and 3rd round picks, you can compete quite well.   Older players help offset the high skill of these young studs.   Look at the US development teams, they have all studs, but still take their lumps playing teams with less talent but are a bit older.  Besides that, there are only a handful or so of these first round guys that go in the draft each year, and those teams constantly have to be replacing them every other year.   

The best situation is getting some elite players and supplementing them with guys that play together for a while that develop chemistry.  However if you want to compete with later round draft picks, portal players and Major Junior players, you better get guys that are willing to outwork and pay the price to compete with those teams with elite talent.  As we have seen, that is very possible. 

1st round picks get you so far. It's the other players that get overlooked for a variety of reasons that put you in a great position to win. It's the Troy Stetcher, Drake Caggiula, Cole Smith, Mario Lamoureux, Jordan Kawaguchi, Riese Gaber, Ryan Duncan type players that get you over the hump.