2024 Non-UND FCS Thread

[Wilbur]

3 hours ago, Bison06 said:

Makes you wonder how talented Gronowski really is when he doesn’t have nfl talent surrounding him at every position. 

100%.  The Janke brothers were elite. 

[Bison06]

15 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

100%.  The Janke brothers were elite. 

And Tucker Kraft, Isaiah Davis/pierre strong and nfl lineman all around him.

[Siouxperman8]

3 hours ago, Bison06 said:

Makes you wonder how talented Gronowski really is when he doesn’t have nfl talent surrounding him at every position. 

was thinking same while watching last night.

[Sioux94]

4 hours ago, Bison06 said:

Makes you wonder how talented Gronowski really is when he doesn’t have nfl talent surrounding him at every position. 

On the broadcast it said he had one NIL offer of 1 million. He probably shoulda taken that. 

[Bison06]

22 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:

On the broadcast it said he had one NIL offer of 1 million. He probably shoulda taken that. 

1.2 mil I heard.

Loyalty is one thing, but 1.2 million in your pocket at age 22 is life changing. Especially for a guy that isn’t guaranteed to make nfl money.
Hate to tell a kid not to stay loyal to his teammates, but in this case, I think he should’ve taken the money.

[Sioux94]

2 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

1.2 mil I heard.

Loyalty is one thing, but 1.2 million in your pocket at age 22 is life changing. Especially for a guy that isn’t guaranteed to make nfl money.
Hate to tell a kid not to stay loyal to his teammates, but in this case, I think he should’ve taken the money.

Agree. If he just took that money and put it in a S&P 500 index fund and didn't touch it that alone would fund his retirement in 25-30 years. 

[siouxweet]

16 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

1.2 mil I heard.

Loyalty is one thing, but 1.2 million in your pocket at age 22 is life changing. Especially for a guy that isn’t guaranteed to make nfl money.
Hate to tell a kid not to stay loyal to his teammates, but in this case, I think he should’ve taken the money.

College sports as a whole would be better if more kids were like this.

[Bison06]

13 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

College sports as a whole would be better if more kids were like this.

Maybe.

Not every situation is the same. The world has changed. Imagine if Joe Burrow or Quinn Ewers had been “loyal”. Burrow would’ve been a high school coach somewhere making 60k/year.

[siouxweet]

35 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Not a very bright comment right here 

Why??  The portal has ruined college sports.

[Bison06]

1 hour ago, siouxweet said:

Why??  The portal has ruined college sports.

That’s an incomplete view of the portal. 
 

The prior rules held a player hostage. The new rules are too loose. The pendulum will swing back to a more appropriate place, but change was absolutely necessary.

[siouxweet]

1 hour ago, Bison06 said:

That’s an incomplete view of the portal. 
 

The prior rules held a player hostage. The new rules are too loose. The pendulum will swing back to a more appropriate place, but change was absolutely necessary.

It's basically taught these kids to be quitters and that they don't need to put the work in to be successful,"I am taking my toys and going home".  Look at Trey Feeney.  Didn't get what he wanted and quit on the team.

[Bison06]

2 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

It's basically taught these kids to be quitters and that they don't need to put the work in to be successful,"I am taking my toys and going home".  Look at Trey Feeney.  Didn't get what he wanted and quit on the team.

That’s one way to look at it. Another is treating them like people treat their career. Have you ever left a job for more money? more responsibility? Your own happiness? Your home situation changed?

There’s a million valid reasons why a player would want to transfer and their punishment is to lose a year of eligibility? Horribly punitive.

Some players will abuse it, just like some employees bail on their employer when they feel like it for a better situation. Why should the player be held hostage at the university?

[UND Football Fan]

What happens a lot I think is, a kid being offered more. Team A offers 80,000 NIL and kid verbally commits and then Team B offers 150,000. So kid decommits and commits to 2nd school. 

[wheelsup]

1 hour ago, siouxweet said:

It's basically taught these kids to be quitters and that they don't need to put the work in to be successful,"I am taking my toys and going home".  Look at Trey Feeney.  Didn't get what he wanted and quit on the team.

This is such a bad take.. why should we hold kids to a higher standard than the coaches who can leave whenever they want.

they clearly need to fix some things around the edges.. but kids should be able to get paid a reasonable amount, and they should be able to transfer at least once without any punitive issues. 
 

feeney gave 3 yrs to UND.. Barely saw the field.. I have no issues with him leaving and trying to get playing time before his clock runs out. 

[siouxweet]

42 minutes ago, wheelsup said:

This is such a bad take.. why should we hold kids to a higher standard than the coaches who can leave whenever they want.

they clearly need to fix some things around the edges.. but kids should be able to get paid a reasonable amount, and they should be able to transfer at least once without any punitive issues. 
 

feeney gave 3 yrs to UND.. Barely saw the field.. I have no issues with him leaving and trying to get playing time before his clock runs out. 

They aren't employees until the NCAA passes something where they can actually pay athletes until then they aren't so they shouldn't be allotted the same freedoms as coaches.   Feeney probably isn't as good as he thinks he is and there is probably a good reason why he didn't play that much.  If Simon beat him out that really says something. 

[DL Sioux]

4 hours ago, Bison06 said:

That’s an incomplete view of the portal. 
 

The prior rules held a player hostage. The new rules are too loose. The pendulum will swing back to a more appropriate place, but change was absolutely necessary.

I liked the prior rule. All for being allowed to transfer when you earn a degree, go down a division, coach leaves etc. don’t know if there is a better answer. 

[SiouxFan100]

How much nil was dangled to bison football players for this season?

[Bison06]

Just now, DL Sioux said:

I liked the prior rule. All for being allowed to transfer when you earn a degree, go down a division, coach leaves etc. don’t know if there is a better answer. 

I think the current rule works. These are adults, if they want to leave for a better opportunity they should be allowed to.

Separately, if NIL money is involved, I expect some sort of contract situation to get involved moving forward. eg. A portion of your NIL money is vested each year you are on the team or something to that effect.

[wheelsup]

30 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

They aren't employees until the NCAA passes something where they can actually pay athletes until then they aren't so they shouldn't be allotted the same freedoms as coaches.   Feeney probably isn't as good as he thinks he is and there is probably a good reason why he didn't play that much.  If Simon beat him out that really says something. 

Two different offensive coordinators agree with your take so I would guess it’s a reasonable perspective,  Which is even more reason for the portal.. let a kid go to a team where they will get to play. 

[Bison06]

33 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

They aren't employees until the NCAA passes something where they can actually pay athletes until then they aren't so they shouldn't be allotted the same freedoms as coaches.   Feeney probably isn't as good as he thinks he is and there is probably a good reason why he didn't play that much.  If Simon beat him out that really says something. 

And this is what would’ve lead to the athletes unionizing if that way continued.

[Johnny Five]

9 hours ago, SiouxFan100 said:

How much nil was dangled to bison football players for this season?

Grey Zabel was offered "life changing money" according to reports from the Fargo Forum.  Izzo and Kolpack/McFeeley also talked about it on the podcast in the off-season.  Decided to stay and play with his brother.  

[siouxweet]

Maybe it is possible that the "life changing numbers" are being offered to these kids by those not authorized by the university like that kid at UNLV.

[Bison06]

13 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

Maybe it is possible that the "life changing numbers" are being offered to these kids by those not authorized by the university like that kid at UNLV.

Do you have a full understanding of how restrictive the ncaa was under the prior rules? Do you understand that athletes literally did not own their own name, image and likeness? 
Would you be ok with someone using your face and/or name to make money off of you without you getting compensated for it?

Why are defending one of the more corrupt and inept institutions we have in the US? the NCAA

[siouxweet]

23 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Do you have a full understanding of how restrictive the ncaa was under the prior rules? Do you understand that athletes literally did not own their own name, image and likeness? 
Would you be ok with someone using your face and/or name to make money off of you without you getting compensated for it?

Why are defending one of the more corrupt and inept institutions we have in the US? the NCAA

NIL is a complete joke.   These kids aren't being marketed just a way to pay these players.  

[Bison06]

9 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

NIL is a complete joke.   These kids aren't being marketed just a way to pay these players.  

You have no idea what you’re talking about. 

The vast majority of NIL deals are for small amounts of money with athletes signing local advertising deals for a few thousands bucks. The average NIL deal in a study done was under 3k.

Prior to the new rules, athletes were held hostage by their scholarship while people make literal billions off of them.(see the study done of the value RG3 brought to Baylor university during his heisman run)