2017 Season

[Sioux95]

6 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

Reminds me of the Hanson vs Hendrickson situation from 2012. The team felt Hendrickson was better. The coaches leaned towards Hanson.

Night and day difference between that and this year.  Hanson threw for 660 yards in one game that season. Hendrickson Hanson could be seen as a toss up.  You can't say that this year.

[Midwestern Hawk]

2 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

I don't agree with that last part. Either you have it or you don't regardless of size or experience. Like Kuksa before he broke his neck. True fr but had something in him that others didn't.

Maybe, but a guy like Rastas while busting his ass, would probably never start if it was not for the injuries to O’Brien, Rodgers, Hunt and Larson.  I am not talking about just this year, I mean ever.  Tough to be too mean when you are getting pancakes lots of plays and just don’t have the wheels to get there.

[geaux_sioux]

Just now, Sioux95 said:

Night and day difference between that and this year.  Hanson threw for 660 yards in one game that season. Hendrickson Hanson could be seen as a toss up.  You can't say that this year.

Look at the EWU game from that year. The results were polarizing. Marcus shredded EWU on the first drive. Then they put in Hanson who was a sitting duck. After trying to platoon them for a few series Marcus told them to just pick one. They chose Hanson and we got blown out. 

[shep]

 

From the Bison LB article

Going five deep at the position group is something they haven't done since their rise to FCS power starting with the 2010 playoffs.

5 Deep is still better than 7-8 deep. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

4 hours ago, homer said:

Lol.  Any team that had this many starters out would go from a favorite to a bottom feeder.  Other teams have really good players too.  We have guys who were #3 in the depth chart last spring at some positions players 50+ snaps a game.  Those guys should be special teasers getting the occasional rep.  

Im sure you are smart enough to understand the trickle down this has when you go through a whole game.  

The reason of the injuries is another discussion though 

I just don't agree. Yes, the number of injuries is concerning and, rightfully so, will affect results; however, UND is completely dysfunctional right now. They are getting blown out. This is not purely on injuries because the backup players are incapable as well. In a year or two, some of these players may improve and even be all-Conference types, but the scheme and plan that is being put in place currently doesn't help the current situation. Why no depth at QB? Why no depth at corner? Why is the defensive line - arguably the strength of the team during the preseason - not anchoring the defense? The defense has been horrible with the DL intact. There are many issues going on; the bottomline is UND is 2-5 during a season they were picked to be BSC champions. 

[fightingsioux4life]

41 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

LOL is right.  UND whines and complains.  Meanwhile, NDSU replaces injured starters with all-stars - as freshmen.

recruiting, Recruiting, RECRUITING!

http://www.inforum.com/sports/4343921-freshman-cox-introduced-himself-starting-lineup-against-youngstown

Yeah, having more than half the starting lineup on the shelf is the exact same thing as having a handful of injuries total. Thanks for clearing that up. 

[Midwestern Hawk]

13 minutes ago, shep said:

 

From the Bison LB article

Going five deep at the position group is something they haven't done since their rise to FCS power starting with the 2010 playoffs.

5 Deep is still better than 7-8 deep. 

How different everything could be with O’Brien, Rodgers, Hunt and Larson.

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, Midwestern Hawk said:

How different everything could be with O’Brien, Rodgers, Hunt and Larson.

No, no, no! They should be getting the exact same results with what they are putting out there right now! (extreme sarcasm)

For the record, I agree with you.

[MafiaMan]

1 minute ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Yeah, having more than half the starting lineup on the shelf is the exact same thing as having a handful of injuries total. Thanks for clearing that up. 

Says the guy who snarked on Hakstol for not winning national hockey championships when the same injury bug hit his teams, but I digress...

[shep]

I snarked on Hak a LOT for not winning nattys. I admit that.

If Bubba has a fairly healthy team next year and the results are the same as this year, I'll be all over it.

Maybe. 
No titles in a couple years is one thing. No titles in 10 is another.

 

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, MafiaMan said:

Says the guy who snarked on Hakstol for not winning national hockey championships when the same injury bug hit his teams, but I digress...

Hakstol did NOT have more than half his lineup on the shelf during his fruitless trips to the Frozen Four. Big Washington State Apples vs. Little Miniature Oranges.

[homer]

49 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

LOL is right.  UND whines and complains.  Meanwhile, NDSU replaces injured starters with all-stars - as freshmen.

recruiting, Recruiting, RECRUITING!

http://www.inforum.com/sports/4343921-freshman-cox-introduced-himself-starting-lineup-against-youngstown

 Now take away an all American safety and corner.  Put another 3rd stringer next to him starting and a converted safety at the other LB spot.   

Not even the same ballpark comparison.  I'd compare him to plugging Grady into our OL last year or Santiago the year before.  Other pieces around so they don't have to do everything.  

[shep]

Not to mention a backup RB at LB!

[fightingsioux4life]

5 minutes ago, shep said:

I snarked on Hak a LOT for not winning nattys. I admit that.

If Bubba has a fairly healthy team next year and the results are the same as this year, I'll be all over it.

Maybe. 
No titles in a couple years is one thing. No titles in 10 is another.

This is my feeling on the FB team as well.

[MafiaMan]

5 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Hakstol did NOT have more than half his lineup on the shelf during his fruitless trips to the Frozen Four. Big Washington State Apples vs. Little Miniature Oranges.

 Not all of his teams made Frozen Fours...

The fact of the matter is that UND football has become almost irrelevant in the discussion of D1 football in the state.  And that's an image problem that will not be fixed overnight.  I don't care if the excuse is injuries or the Alerus imploding...another NDSU national title this season will only add to the perception.

[shep]

I agree with that last sentence, but that's going to be true irrespective of UND's record. If "they" win another, it's a kick in the ass to UND. No doubt about it.

GO JMU!

[fightingsioux4life]

2 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

 Not all of his teams made Frozen Fours...

The fact of the matter is that UND football has become almost irrelevant in the discussion of D1 football in the state.  And that's not an image problem that will be fixed overnight.  I don't care if the excuse is injuries or the Alerus imploding...another NDSU national title this season will only add to the perception.

Nobody said it would be fixed overnight. But that is what some people on here want. It doesn't work that way, especially in a team sport like football.

So what is your solution? Get rid of the program? The ship for doing that has sailed. You don't build an indoor practice facility big enough for FB and then get rid of the program.

Like it or not, we have no choice but to make this program a success. And our time will come.

[MafiaMan]

Just now, fightingsioux4life said:

So what is your solution? Get rid of the program? The ship for doing that has sailed. You don't build an indoor practice facility big enough for FB and then get rid of the program.

Like it or not, we have no choice but to make this program a success. And our time will come.

I don't know what the solution is.  If I did, I'd be a highly-paid consultant at Vanderbilt, Indiana, Minnesota, Mississippi State, Arizona, Kentucky, or some other school trying to do the exact same thing - become a college football powerhouse name.

[shep]

Same thing was happening in the 80's. Moo U killed us and won natty's. 

90's rolled around and it took time but by the end of them, UND was beating the Bison. 

IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN!!

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, MafiaMan said:

I don't know what the solution is.  If I did, I'd be a highly-paid consultant at Vanderbilt, Indiana, Minnesota, Mississippi State, Arizona, Kentucky, or some other school trying to do the exact same thing - become a college football powerhouse name.

Moving up to Division I in all sports means we cannot treat every non-hockey sport as a red-headed stepchild anymore. If we want to do that, we should move down to D-II and join the NSIC. Then we'll get to watch our team in the Thursday Night NSIC Game of the Week on MidcoSN!!! 

[Midwestern Hawk]

1 minute ago, shep said:

Same thing was happening in the 80's. Moo U killed us and won natty's. 

90's rolled around and it took time but by the end of them, UND was beating the Bison. 

IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN!!

Next season UND will finish higher than NDSU and then the next season we will defeat them in Fargo and the cycle will begin again.

[Siouxperman8]

I don't know why people think the cupboard should be full of backups that are ready to be starters.  Bubba has had 3 full recruiting classes.  Those players are True Fr, RS FR and Sophomores.   Most of the Fr and RS Fr certainly are going to be challenged in a full time starting role.   Some would be ready to start but not as many as we have needed.  There are also some Juniors he was able to recruit in the short time he had after getting hired.

There is no way we are getting all of the recruits we want right now so we are going to be thin at most positions.   We need to start winning and build the program to do that.  This year is a tough setback in that progression

[Midwestern Hawk]

1 minute ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Moving up to Division I in all sports means we cannot treat every non-hockey sport as a red-headed stepchild anymore. If we want to do that, we should move down to D-II and join the NSIC. Then we'll get to watch our team in the Thursday Night NSIC Game of the Week on MidcoSN!!! 

Kennedy has a plan to move UND way up the collegiate ladder and it all revolves around football and mens basketball.  I have faith that he will get it done and 5 and 10 years from now NDSU will be looking back fondly on the glory days.

[fightingsioux4life]

2 minutes ago, shep said:

Same thing was happening in the 80's. Moo U killed us and won natty's. 

90's rolled around and it took time but by the end of them, UND was beating the Bison. 

IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN!!

The parallels are very striking:

1986: NDSU is a D-II power; UND is in the toilet and has just made a coaching change.

2013: NDSU is an FCS power; UND Is in the toilet and has just made a coaching change.

We weren't going to the playoffs and beating NDSU four years into the Roger Thomas era and you cannot expect that to happen this time either. But if we keep plugging away, we'll get there.

[geaux_sioux]

19 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

Says the guy who snarked on Hakstol for not winning national hockey championships when the same injury bug hit his teams, but I digress...

To be fair, they had some unreal teams that were healthy and laid eggs in the frozen four...... but they did actually get there. Can't choke in the semis if you never get there.