jimdahl Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 I know there's been a lot of discussion, pro and con, in the other nickname threads, but I thought it would be interesting to gather a list of drawbacks for each potential name in one place. Though every name has some drawbacks that lead some people not to like it, it seems some are much a bigger deal than others (e.g. I don't think Red River High using RoughRiders is nearly as big a deal as North Stars being associated with Minnesota). It would be great if we could keep the discussion in this thread to a minimum (I'm hoping to just gather a list of the negatives), and I suppose we have to let profanity slide a bit. What's the biggest negative you can think of about the name(s) you don't like? Blaze Cavalry Explorers Fighting Green Fighting Hawks Force Green Hawks Nodaks North Dakota North Stars Pride Roughriders Spirit Sundogs Thunderhawks Quote
jimdahl Posted June 11, 2015 Author Posted June 11, 2015 Non-originality Roughriders = name of local high school team Explorers = LaSalle mascot North Stars = Associated with Minnesota (both former NHL team, and state motto) Quote
jimdahl Posted June 11, 2015 Author Posted June 11, 2015 Cavalry = no one knows how to spell it Quote
scpa0305 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Sun Dogs - over everyone's head. Green Hawks - copying black hawks Pride/Spirit - WNBA sounding Quote
747Guy Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Only name that works is "North Dakota" End of story!! The rest of these names are just a poor effort to appease NCAA jackasses and PC pukes! EDIT: the only name that would have been half way acceptable would be a name perhaps referencing aviation with having the GFAFB and UND Aerospace so popular...the rest of these submission just plain stink!! 2 2 Quote
jdub27 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Only name that works is "North Dakota" End of story!! The rest of these names are just a poor effort to appease NCAA jackasses and PC pukes! EDIT: the only name that would have been half way acceptable would be a names perhaps references aviation with the GFAFB and UND Aerospace...the rest just plain stink!! University of North Dakota North Dakota seems a little redundant, no? 3 Quote
Let'sGoHawks! Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Cavalry = no one knows how to spell it And think of what the Leigh Jeanottes of the world will say about this one. How about the liberal writers on the Star Tribune? Quote
Popular Post UNDBIZ Posted June 11, 2015 Popular Post Posted June 11, 2015 And think of what the Leigh Jeanottes of the world will say about this one. How about the liberal writers on the Star Tribune? Eff em. 6 Quote
747Guy Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 University of North Dakota North Dakota seems a little redundant, no? Agreed. I should clarify....Just "University of North Dakota" that's it. No moniker....we all know what it is already Quote
siouxfan512 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 I know there's been a lot of discussion, pro and con, in the other nickname threads, but I thought it would be interesting to gather a list of drawbacks for each potential name in one place. Though every name has some drawbacks that lead some people not to like it, it seems some are much a bigger deal than others (e.g. I don't think Red River High using RoughRiders is nearly as big a deal as North Stars being associated with Minnesota). It would be great if we could keep the discussion in this thread to a minimum (I'm hoping to just gather a list of the negatives), and I suppose we have to let profanity slide a bit. What's the biggest negative you can think of about the name(s) you don't like? Blaze Cavalry Explorers Fighting Green Fighting Hawks Force Green Hawks Nodaks North Dakota North Stars Pride Roughriders Spirit Sundogs Thunderhawks Blaze - Terrible, this isn't even a thing. Cavalry - Could be worse, but as mentioned people will mispronounce and misspell it Explorers - Already used, and what would our logo be? Lewis and Clark in a canoe? Very intimidating ... No thanks! Fighting Green - This isn't a thing ... No Fighting Hawks - A terrible attempt to hold on to "Fighting" Force - It was a terrible name when Fargo used it, it would be a terrible name for us. What the logo? Force isn't a thing ... put it is a bag with spirit, Pride, Blaze and throw it away. Green Hawks - Not a real thing, sad attempt to incorporate Green into the name. Nodaks - Could be worse, essentially the same as just keep North Dakota, but with the use of an official name. North Dakota - Best option of the bunch. It has been working for us, and there is really no better option on this list. North Stars - MN former pro hockey team. You want more ridicule, steal their name. North Dakota is not the North Star state. This does not make sense. Pride - If this this is referencing the gay pride movement, then NO. If this is reference the term associated with Lions, then NO. Roughriders - Local HS name, who cares ... probably in my top 3 on this list (which doesn't say much, this list is terrible) Spirit - Did someone really think this was a good idea? We've got Spirit! Yes we do! We've got Spirit! Shoot us now! Sundogs - Nothing will intimidate the opposition like light interacting with ice crystal. Can't believe this is a "top 15" name Thunderhawks - Why do we keep trying to use Hawks? Is Grand Forks now a hub for Ornithology? Plain and simple North Dakota is the best option on this list, maybe not the the best option altogether (for those of you who think we NEED a new nickname), but it certainly is the best option on this list. Not a big fan of Flickertails, but that would have been better than the majority of this garbage, and the fact that Nokota was scrubbed is pretty pathetic to, considering what the committee put out there. Also have to express my complete disappointment with the committee. There are some individuals that were on that committee who I was actually pretty happy about. I figured with some of those names, we had a chance to get this process done right. Apparently I was wrong, and certainly have less respect for those people, now that I see what there "hard work" has accomplished. Co-works and Friends are absolutely having a blast laughing at this list, and the real potential of what our school's nickname could become. It was sad and hard to lose the Fighting Sioux, but it adds insult to injury to move to a name that others will absolutely ridicule. The only salvation to this abysmal process would be to remain North Dakota! 3 Quote
siouxfan512 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 University of North Dakota North Dakota seems a little redundant, no? It would not be University of North Dakota North Dakota... It would be University of North Dakota! 1 Quote
jdub27 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Agreed. I should clarify....Just "University of North Dakota" that's it. No moniker....we all know what it is already Hey, you made my point for me and answered why "North Dakota" has a bigger drawback than any other name on the list! Thanks! Not to mention, choosing nothing means UND is in fact not choosing a new nickname, which (while up for much debate) seems to be in direct violation of the signed settlement agreement that requires UND to choose a new nickname. University of North Dakota isn't new it has been around since 1883. Quote
siouxfan512 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Hey, you made my point for me and answered why "North Dakota" has a bigger drawback than any other name on the list! Thanks! Not to mention, choosing nothing means UND is in fact not choosing a new nickname, which (while up for much debate) seems to be in direct violation of the signed settlement agreement that requires UND to choose a new nickname. University of North Dakota isn't new it has been around since 1883. Not even going to get drawn into the debate of "new" nicknames. The option is on the list. BUT don't be so ignorant to think that simply adopting a new nickname will eliminate anyone's use of Fighting Sioux. If we stay North Dakota, some will continue using Fighting Sioux. If we adopt a new nickname, some will continue using Fighting Sioux. Regardless, it was already dropped officially. As far as the NCAA is concerned, the school has moved on. 2 Quote
jdub27 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Not even going to get drawn into the debate of "new" nicknames. The option is on the list. BUT don't be so ignorant to think that simply adopting a new nickname will eliminate anyone's use of Fighting Sioux. If we stay North Dakota, some will continue using Fighting Sioux. If we adopt a new nickname, some will continue using Fighting Sioux. Regardless, it was already dropped officially. As far as the NCAA is concerned, the school has moved on. The couple of years has shown that most will continue to use the Fighting Sioux nickname because there is nothing to fill the void. Leaving the void open will do nothing but continue that. Picking something new gives people guidance on where to go. Of course there will be people that will continue to use it, regardless of what is chosen but those people will slowly dwindle, as has happened at every other school and college that has went through the same process. That doesn't mean that people forget about it, but it means that people understand what is best for the University. I would very much argue that the NCAA feels the school has moved on. They had representatives in Fargo at the regionals and heard the Sioux chants. And as tSic would say, Marco Hunt being on the ice in Boston wasn't a coincidence/mistake it was a message... 1 Quote
siouxfan512 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 The couple of years has shown that most will continue to use the Fighting Sioux nickname because there is nothing to fill the void. Leaving the void open will do nothing but continue that. Picking something new gives people guidance on where to go. Of course there will be people that will continue to use it, regardless of what is chosen but those people will slowly dwindle, as has happened at every other school and college that has went through the same process. That doesn't mean that people forget about it, but it means that people understand what is best for the University. I would very much argue that the NCAA feels the school has moved on. They had representatives in Fargo at the regionals and heard the Sioux chants. And as tSic would say, Marco Hunt being on the ice in Boston wasn't a coincidence/mistake it was a message... School has done their part. Neither the School nor the NCAA can or will controll what fans chant/wear/refer to the team as. Overly asserting this type of control is just furthering the liberal notion to control everyone is the PC world these people want to live in. Quote
siouxfan512 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 If you really don't want North Dakota, get a committee that can provide better options than Pride or Spirit. Then we can talk. 2 Quote
jdub27 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 School has done their part. Neither the School nor the NCAA can or will controll what fans chant/wear/refer to the team as. Overly asserting this type of control is just furthering the liberal notion to control everyone is the PC world these people want to live in. UND has not picked a new nickname as they agreed to. Not picking a new nickname is willfully fostering an environment that keeps Fighting Sioux as the de facto nickname. The last few years have proven it not to mention they many people who have openly stated it. UND nor the NCAA will not stop people from wearing or cheering whatever they want, but until UND has picked a new nickname, they have not fully done their part to move on and are very much culpable for it. 3 Quote
tnt Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 It would not be University of North Dakota North Dakota... It would be University of North Dakota! Hate to tell you that there have already been petitions about it just staying North Dakota and how it would leave people with Sioux as the default name. I have no appetite for going back and forth for the next 10 years with people bickering about that again. Pick a name and move on, or we will be right back here again shortly anyway. And if you are in the crowd that says screw them, well, they said the same thing about people that were against the Sioux nickname. The NCAA will react to that minority eventually, whether you think the previous settlement allowed us to remain just North Dakota or not. 2 Quote
siouxfan512 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 UND has not picked a new nickname as they agreed to. Not picking a new nickname is willfully fostering an environment that keeps Fighting Sioux as the de facto nickname. The last few years have proven it not to mention they many people who have openly stated it. UND nor the NCAA will not stop people from wearing or cheering whatever they want, but until UND has picked a new nickname, they have not fully done their part to move on and are very much culpable for it. Unless they pick North Dakota as their name. That is picking a new name to identify themselves. "New" - as in not their "former" name. If your argument is that the University of North Dakota has been around since 1883, they have never used that over a different nickname. They were flickertails, fighting sioux, nothing .... and now? NoDaks isn't a NEW term so thats out. Sun Dogs certainly aren't a new thing...can't use that. Roughriders are certainly not NEW ... take that off the list. I'm sure you have big time connections, but it is possible that the school and committe have more knowledge on the whole process than you, and I am inclined to believe that UND would't be moving forward in this process with some input or communication with the NCAA. I could be wrong, but if North Dakota is on the list, it is likely very much in play. 1 1 Quote
siouxfan512 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Hate to tell you that there have already been petitions about it just staying North Dakota and how it would leave people with Sioux as the default name. I have no appetite for going on back and forth for the next 10 years with people bickering about that again. Pick a name and move on, or we will be right back here again shortly anyway. I understand needing to pick a name, then the committe needs to give us something better than the University of North Dakota Pride or Sun Dogs. Quote
Siouxperfan7 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 UND has not picked a new nickname as they agreed to. Not picking a new nickname is willfully fostering an environment that keeps Fighting Sioux as the de facto nickname. The last few years have proven it not to mention they many people who have openly stated it. UND nor the NCAA will not stop people from wearing or cheering whatever they want, but until UND has picked a new nickname, they have not fully done their part to move on and are very much culpable for it. DING DING DING!!! We have a winner!!! This is EXACTLY why UND must adopt a new nickname. and is EXACTLY why it was laid out in the settlement agreement. It wasn't there by accident. 1 Quote
bigskyvikes Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 The couple of years has shown that most will continue to use the Fighting Sioux nickname because there is nothing to fill the void. Leaving the void open will do nothing but continue that. Picking something new gives people guidance on where to go. Of course there will be people that will continue to use it, regardless of what is chosen but those people will slowly dwindle, as has happened at every other school and college that has went through the same process. That doesn't mean that people forget about it, but it means that people understand what is best for the University. I would very much argue that the NCAA feels the school has moved on. They had representatives in Fargo at the regionals and heard the Sioux chants. And as tSic would say, Marco Hunt being on the ice in Boston wasn't a coincidence/mistake it was a message... Still think you know more, (about what the NCAA will or will not allow) than the UND does? Man I love conspiracy theories, but this Marco Hunt one is something to laugh about! 2 1 Quote
siouxfan512 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Still think you know more, (about what the NCAA will or will not allow) than the UND does? Man I love conspiracy theories, but this Marco Hunt one is something to laugh about! This! 1 1 Quote
jdub27 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Still think you know more, (about what the NCAA will or will not allow) than the UND does? Man I love conspiracy theories, but this Marco Hunt one is something to laugh about! As to the first part, I'm not saying UND what UND does or doesn't know, but I have a general idea of what some people related to the process know. Which leads to a whole different set of questions but that's for a different time. As for the second part, Sicatoka explains comments that have been floating around better than I can: Folks need to read and understand my signature: The NCAA, the hyper-retentive, hyper-detail-checking group, that micromanages every detail of every event, that made Scheel's Arena in Fargo put "NCAA" stickers over the "Dakota Magic Casino" logos on the cup holders at the seats, did not put Marco Hunt on the ice with UND in Boston by mistake. The NCAA knew exactly what and why they were doing it. They knew UND pushed for Marco Hunt to be removed from the NCHC approved officials list. They knew Marco Hunt wasn't happy about it. So what did the NCAA do? They put Marco Hunt on the ice with UND as the game official for a national semifinal. That was no mistake. That was a message from the NCAA to UND saying pick a nickname so we don't have to keep hearing the "S" word, or you'll keep getting "the Marco Hunt treatment" from us. Conspiratorial? Sure. But the NCAA doesn't make "mistakes" like that in championships. They send messages. Quote
jimdahl Posted June 11, 2015 Author Posted June 11, 2015 To summarize the last dozen posts: North Dakota - not a new nickname (may lose on marketing and other reasons all schools have nicknames), forces media to create de facto nicknames (go green!), no closure (extends life of Fighting Sioux), some worry that the previous may run afoul of the NCAA, kicking the can down the road (will students who no longer care about Sioux demand a nickname in 5-10 years?) 2 Quote
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